Official Swiftboat Thread

[CADsortaGUY]

Letter to kerry

Letter to John Kerry

August 25, 2004

Senator John Kerry
304 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Kerry,

We are pleased to welcome your campaign representatives to Texas today. We honor all our veterans, all whom have worn the uniform and served our country. We also honor the military and National Guard troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan today. We are very proud of all of them and believe they deserve our full support.

That?s why so many veterans are troubled by your vote AGAINST funding for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, after you voted FOR sending them into battle. And that?s why we are so concerned about the comments you made AFTER you came home from Vietnam. You accused your fellow veterans of terrible atrocities ? and, to this day, you have never apologized. Even last night, you claimed to be proud of your post-war condemnation of our actions.

We?re proud of our service in Vietnam. We served honorably in Vietnam and we were deeply hurt and offended by your comments when you came home.

You can?t have it both ways. You can?t build your convention and much of your campaign around your service in Vietnam, and then try to say that only those veterans who agree with you have a right to speak up. There is no double standard for our right to free speech. We all earned it.

You said in 1992 ?we do not need to divide America over who served and how.? Yet you and your surrogates continue to criticize President Bush for his service as a fighter pilot in the National Guard.

We are veterans too ? and proud to support President Bush. He?s been a strong leader, with a record of outstanding support for our veterans and for our troops in combat. He?s made sure that our troops in combat have the equipment and support they need to accomplish their mission.

He has increased the VA health care budget more than 40% since 2001 ? in fact, during his four years in office, President Bush has increased veterans funding twice as much as the previous administration did in eight years ($22 billion over 4 years compared to $10 billion over 8.) And he?s praised the service of all who served our country, including your service in Vietnam.

We urge you to condemn the double standard that you and your campaign have enforced regarding a veteran?s right to openly express their feelings about your activities on return from Vietnam.

Sincerely,

Texas State Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson
Rep. Duke Cunningham
Rep. Duncan Hunter
Rep. Sam Johnson
Lt. General David Palmer
Robert O'Malley, Medal of Honor Recipient
James Fleming, Medal of Honor Recipient
Lieutenant Colonel Richard Castle (Ret.)

CkG

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Letter to kerry

Letter to John Kerry

August 25, 2004

Senator John Kerry
304 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Kerry,

We are pleased to welcome your campaign representatives to Texas today. We honor all our veterans, all whom have worn the uniform and served our country. We also honor the military and National Guard troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan today. We are very proud of all of them and believe they deserve our full support.

That?s why so many veterans are troubled by your vote AGAINST funding for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, after you voted FOR sending them into battle. And that?s why we are so concerned about the comments you made AFTER you came home from Vietnam. You accused your fellow veterans of terrible atrocities ? and, to this day, you have never apologized. Even last night, you claimed to be proud of your post-war condemnation of our actions.

We?re proud of our service in Vietnam. We served honorably in Vietnam and we were deeply hurt and offended by your comments when you came home.

You can?t have it both ways. You can?t build your convention and much of your campaign around your service in Vietnam, and then try to say that only those veterans who agree with you have a right to speak up. There is no double standard for our right to free speech. We all earned it.

You said in 1992 ?we do not need to divide America over who served and how.? Yet you and your surrogates continue to criticize President Bush for his service as a fighter pilot in the National Guard.

We are veterans too ? and proud to support President Bush. He?s been a strong leader, with a record of outstanding support for our veterans and for our troops in combat. He?s made sure that our troops in combat have the equipment and support they need to accomplish their mission.

He has increased the VA health care budget more than 40% since 2001 ? in fact, during his four years in office, President Bush has increased veterans funding twice as much as the previous administration did in eight years ($22 billion over 4 years compared to $10 billion over 8.) And he?s praised the service of all who served our country, including your service in Vietnam.

We urge you to condemn the double standard that you and your campaign have enforced regarding a veteran?s right to openly express their feelings about your activities on return from Vietnam.

Sincerely,

Texas State Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson
Rep. Duke Cunningham
Rep. Duncan Hunter
Rep. Sam Johnson
Lt. General David Palmer
Robert O'Malley, Medal of Honor Recipient
James Fleming, Medal of Honor Recipient
Lieutenant Colonel Richard Castle (Ret.)

CkG

LOL, a link from George Bush's own website. LOL..... you're too funny.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
If John Kerry wants to end this debate, he needs to release his Vietnam records!


It is sad that this issue will define the election.

Come on John. Submit a form 180 to the DoD and make it all go away.

Just heard Kerry is crafting a speech to apologize to viet-nam vets for his use of 'strong' language against all Viet-nam vets some 30 odd years ago. Couple that with his backing away from one of the purple heart claims and the flip flop on the Cambodia story, it would appear that Kerry is setting the framework for releasing his Viet-nam records. If he gets everything in his record out in the open before he releases them, There will not be any damage control to do.
I say it would be a smart move for Kerry and probably the only move he can make if He does not want the next sixty days to be like the last 30 days.

Who knows???

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Ozoned
If John Kerry wants to end this debate, he needs to release his Vietnam records!


It is sad that this issue will define the election.

Come on John. Submit a form 180 to the DoD and make it all go away.

Just heard Kerry is crafting a speech to apologize to viet-nam vets for his use of 'strong' language against all Viet-nam vets some 30 odd years ago. Couple that with his backing away from one of the purple heart claims and the flip flop on the Cambodia story, it would appear that Kerry is setting the framework for releasing his Viet-nam records. If he gets everything in his record out in the open before he releases them, There will not be any damage control to do.
I say it would be a smart move for Kerry and probably the only move he can make if He does not want the next sixty days to be like the last 30 days.

Who knows???

I am thinking an apology is a little late...

Plus now was he AWOL after he left Vietnam?

Did he break the law?

A recently locked thread asks some of these question but really has nothing to do with Swift Boats

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Ozoned
If John Kerry wants to end this debate, he needs to release his Vietnam records!


It is sad that this issue will define the election.

Come on John. Submit a form 180 to the DoD and make it all go away.

Just heard Kerry is crafting a speech to apologize to viet-nam vets for his use of 'strong' language against all Viet-nam vets some 30 odd years ago. Couple that with his backing away from one of the purple heart claims and the flip flop on the Cambodia story, it would appear that Kerry is setting the framework for releasing his Viet-nam records. If he gets everything in his record out in the open before he releases them, There will not be any damage control to do.
I say it would be a smart move for Kerry and probably the only move he can make if He does not want the next sixty days to be like the last 30 days.

Who knows???

Link please.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Ozoned
If John Kerry wants to end this debate, he needs to release his Vietnam records!


It is sad that this issue will define the election.

Come on John. Submit a form 180 to the DoD and make it all go away.

Just heard Kerry is crafting a speech to apologize to viet-nam vets for his use of 'strong' language against all Viet-nam vets some 30 odd years ago. Couple that with his backing away from one of the purple heart claims and the flip flop on the Cambodia story, it would appear that Kerry is setting the framework for releasing his Viet-nam records. If he gets everything in his record out in the open before he releases them, There will not be any damage control to do.
I say it would be a smart move for Kerry and probably the only move he can make if He does not want the next sixty days to be like the last 30 days.

Who knows???

I am thinking an apology is a little late...

Plus now was he AWOL after he left Vietnam?

Did he break the law?

A recently locked thread asks some of these question but really has nothing to do with Swift Boats

Kerry AWOL? That bullsh*t claim was made and debunked MONTHS ago.

It's just more deflection by those who harbor ill-will against Kerry for his anti-war protesting.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Probably because Kerry wasn't running for President 30 years ago.

Why did a number of the very same SBVT defend him, and praise his leadership under fire, when he was running for re-election in 1996? How is it anything but incongruous that they are now attacking him? Are you implying that the Presidency is important, but a Senate seat isn't?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Ozoned
If John Kerry wants to end this debate, he needs to release his Vietnam records!


It is sad that this issue will define the election.

Come on John. Submit a form 180 to the DoD and make it all go away.

Just heard Kerry is crafting a speech to apologize to viet-nam vets for his use of 'strong' language against all Viet-nam vets some 30 odd years ago. Couple that with his backing away from one of the purple heart claims and the flip flop on the Cambodia story, it would appear that Kerry is setting the framework for releasing his Viet-nam records. If he gets everything in his record out in the open before he releases them, There will not be any damage control to do.
I say it would be a smart move for Kerry and probably the only move he can make if He does not want the next sixty days to be like the last 30 days.

Who knows???

I am thinking an apology is a little late...

Plus now was he AWOL after he left Vietnam?

Did he break the law?

A recently locked thread asks some of these question but really has nothing to do with Swift Boats

What's the deal with any thread about Kerry being locked, regardless if it has nothing to do with the Swiftvets?

Mods, can you please unlock those threads?

Thank you.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Ozoned
If John Kerry wants to end this debate, he needs to release his Vietnam records!


It is sad that this issue will define the election.

Come on John. Submit a form 180 to the DoD and make it all go away.

Just heard Kerry is crafting a speech to apologize to viet-nam vets for his use of 'strong' language against all Viet-nam vets some 30 odd years ago. Couple that with his backing away from one of the purple heart claims and the flip flop on the Cambodia story, it would appear that Kerry is setting the framework for releasing his Viet-nam records. If he gets everything in his record out in the open before he releases them, There will not be any damage control to do.
I say it would be a smart move for Kerry and probably the only move he can make if He does not want the next sixty days to be like the last 30 days.

Who knows???

Link please.

If the story breaks, you will not need me for a link. If it doesn't, then I was wrong, (again).

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
What's the deal with any thread about Kerry being locked, regardless if it has nothing to do with the Swiftvets?

Mods, can you please unlock those threads?

Thank you.

Perhaps the mods have finally tired of your same ol' crap Rip. Good for them.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Ozoned
If John Kerry wants to end this debate, he needs to release his Vietnam records!


It is sad that this issue will define the election.

Come on John. Submit a form 180 to the DoD and make it all go away.

Just heard Kerry is crafting a speech to apologize to viet-nam vets for his use of 'strong' language against all Viet-nam vets some 30 odd years ago. Couple that with his backing away from one of the purple heart claims and the flip flop on the Cambodia story, it would appear that Kerry is setting the framework for releasing his Viet-nam records. If he gets everything in his record out in the open before he releases them, There will not be any damage control to do.
I say it would be a smart move for Kerry and probably the only move he can make if He does not want the next sixty days to be like the last 30 days.

Who knows???

I am thinking an apology is a little late...

Plus now was he AWOL after he left Vietnam?

Did he break the law?

A recently locked thread asks some of these question but really has nothing to do with Swift Boats

What's the deal with any thread about Kerry being locked, regardless if it has nothing to do with the Swiftvets?

Mods, can you please unlock those threads?

Thank you.

I just posted something about it in Forum issues. They are locking every new anti-kerry thread. Of course for asking them why they did it I'm expecting a week long vacation any minute now.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
John Kerry's "Apocalypse Now" fantasy in Cambodia

Umm... Speaking of fantasies, it may be time for your own reality check. Thanks to CaptnKirk for beaming us to this link:

Holiday in Cambodia
The "Christmas Eve" attack on Kerry is cheap and almost certainly wrong.
By Fred Kaplan
Posted Monday, Aug. 23, 2004, at 4:04 PM PT
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The Daniel Boone teams entered Cambodia all along its 500-mile frontier with South Vietnam from the lonely, craggy, impenetrable mountain forests in the north, down to the well-populated and thickly reeded waterways along the Mekong River. [Italics added.]

We know that Kerry's boat and two others were in those reeds on Christmas Eve '68.

The Cambodian special forces' incursions?which were conducted without the knowledge, much less approval, of Congress?were escalating around that time. Just over a month later, on Feb. 9, 1969, Gen. Creighton Abrams, commander of U.S. forces in Vietnam, requested a B-52 bombing attack on a Communist camp inside Cambodia. (Richard Nixon, the new president, approved the plan on March 17; the first strikes of Operation Breakfast?the secret bombing of Cambodia?started the next day.) Shawcross writes that special forces were always sent across the border to survey the area for targets just before an air operation.

Did Kerry cross the border or just go up to it? We may never know for sure. Not much paperwork exists for covert operations (officially, U.S. forces weren't in Cambodia). Nor is it likely that a canny Swift-boat skipper (and Kerry was nothing if not canny) would jot down thoughts about such covert operations in a diary on a boat that might be captured by the enemy.

The circumstances at least suggest that Kerry was indeed involved in a "black" mission, even if he had never explicitly made that claim. And why would he make such claims if he hadn't been? It was neither a glamorous nor a particularly admirable mission?certainly nothing to boast of.

But one thing is for sure: Lt. Kerry did not spend that Christmas Eve just lying around, dreaming of sugarplums and roasted chestnuts. He had plenty of time to cover the 40 miles from the Cambodian border to the safety of Sa Dec (he did command a swift boat, after all). More to the point, the evidence indicates he did cover those 40 miles: He was near (or in?) Cambodia in the morning, in Sa Dec that night.

Also, thanks to villager for this link to the transcript from CNN NEWSNIGHT AARON BROWN, including O'Neill's admission to Richad Nixon that he was in Cambodia with Kerry:

Aired August 24, 2004 - 22:00 ET

The co-author of the book "Unfit for Command," former swift boat commander John O'Neill said Kerry made up a story about being in Cambodia beyond the legal borders of the Vietnam War in 1968.

O'Neill said no one could cross the border by river and he claimed in an audio tape that his publicist played to CNN that he, himself, had never been to Cambodia either. But in 1971, O'Neill said precisely the opposite to then President Richard Nixon.

O'NEILL: I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border on the water.

NIXON: In a swift boat?

O'NEILL: Yes, sir.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

JOHNS: Now, O'Neill may have an explanation for this but he has not returned CNN's calls.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

LOL, a link from George Bush's own website. LOL..... you're too funny.

:roll: Seems you are the "funny" one...ofcourse if you had half a clue you'd realize it was a letter to kerry about this issue. You might try reading for once.

Oh, but I guess I'll just dismiss anything that is posted on kerry's site...using your "logic". :roll:

CkG

 

[conjur]

Harvey serves up a dish of Pwnage!

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: shinerburke
John Kerry's "Apocalypse Now" fantasy in Cambodia

Umm... Speaking of fantasies, it may be time for your own reality check. Thanks to CaptnKirk for beaming us to this link:

Holiday in Cambodia
The "Christmas Eve" attack on Kerry is cheap and almost certainly wrong.
By Fred Kaplan
Posted Monday, Aug. 23, 2004, at 4:04 PM PT
.
.
The Daniel Boone teams entered Cambodia all along its 500-mile frontier with South Vietnam from the lonely, craggy, impenetrable mountain forests in the north, down to the well-populated and thickly reeded waterways along the Mekong River. [Italics added.]

We know that Kerry's boat and two others were in those reeds on Christmas Eve '68.

The Cambodian special forces' incursions?which were conducted without the knowledge, much less approval, of Congress?were escalating around that time. Just over a month later, on Feb. 9, 1969, Gen. Creighton Abrams, commander of U.S. forces in Vietnam, requested a B-52 bombing attack on a Communist camp inside Cambodia. (Richard Nixon, the new president, approved the plan on March 17; the first strikes of Operation Breakfast?the secret bombing of Cambodia?started the next day.) Shawcross writes that special forces were always sent across the border to survey the area for targets just before an air operation.

Did Kerry cross the border or just go up to it? We may never know for sure. Not much paperwork exists for covert operations (officially, U.S. forces weren't in Cambodia). Nor is it likely that a canny Swift-boat skipper (and Kerry was nothing if not canny) would jot down thoughts about such covert operations in a diary on a boat that might be captured by the enemy.

The circumstances at least suggest that Kerry was indeed involved in a "black" mission, even if he had never explicitly made that claim. And why would he make such claims if he hadn't been? It was neither a glamorous nor a particularly admirable mission?certainly nothing to boast of.

But one thing is for sure: Lt. Kerry did not spend that Christmas Eve just lying around, dreaming of sugarplums and roasted chestnuts. He had plenty of time to cover the 40 miles from the Cambodian border to the safety of Sa Dec (he did command a swift boat, after all). More to the point, the evidence indicates he did cover those 40 miles: He was near (or in?) Cambodia in the morning, in Sa Dec that night.

Also, thanks to villager for this link to the transcript from CNN NEWSNIGHT AARON BROWN, including O'Neill's admission to Richad Nixon that he was in Cambodia with Kerry:

Aired August 24, 2004 - 22:00 ET

The co-author of the book "Unfit for Command," former swift boat commander John O'Neill said Kerry made up a story about being in Cambodia beyond the legal borders of the Vietnam War in 1968.

O'Neill said no one could cross the border by river and he claimed in an audio tape that his publicist played to CNN that he, himself, had never been to Cambodia either. But in 1971, O'Neill said precisely the opposite to then President Richard Nixon.

O'NEILL: I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border on the water.

NIXON: In a swift boat?

O'NEILL: Yes, sir.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

JOHNS: Now, O'Neill may have an explanation for this but he has not returned CNN's calls.

I have a hard time believing Kerry...or heck anyone who can't even get who the President was at the time of his alleged trip into Cambodia right.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

LOL, a link from George Bush's own website. LOL..... you're too funny.

:roll: Seems you are the "funny" one...ofcourse if you had half a clue you'd realize it was a letter to kerry about this issue. You might try reading for once.

Oh, but I guess I'll just dismiss anything that is posted on kerry's site...using your "logic". :roll:

CkG

You do anyway. :roll: I'm sorry, but that letter just spouts too many Bush-ite checklist lines for it to be believable, if at least genuine.

 

[Riprorin]

Next up: POWs blast Kerry in TV documentary
Vets will tell how captors shoved 1971 testimony 'in their faces'

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: August 24, 2004
5:57 p.m. Eastern

By Art Moore
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

As controversy over John Kerry's Vietnam service holds center stage in the presidential campaign, a war veteran is about to release a television documentary with devastating testimony by former POWs of the demoralizing impact of the senators' war-crimes accusations more than 30 years ago.

The production is scheduled to air in two weeks on the heels of a television ad by Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth, which charges Kerry with betrayal for accusing them of war atrocities during his testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971.

A source involved in the production, who said its makers are not prepared yet to release their names, told WorldNetDaily its title will be "Stolen Honor."

The documentary has no official connection to the swiftboats group, the source said, but one of the POWs the film features is Paul Galanti, who appears in the group's second ad, released this week.

Galanti, who spent more than six years in prison after being shot down south of Hanoi, says he first heard Kerry's testimony in late 1971 when it was broadcast by his Vietnamese captors over the public address system in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton."

Jerome Corsi, co-author of the swiftboat vets' book, "Unfit for Command," said he has seen some of the taped interviews used in the documentary.

"They are very, very powerful," he told WND.

Corsi said the POWs in the new production tell how Kerry's April 22, 1971, testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was "thrown in their faces."

Corsi, noting the second half of his book focuses on Kerry's antiwar activities, said he intends to work with all groups that want to tell that story.

Details about the new documentary are expected to be released later this week.

As WorldNetDaily reported, the swiftboat vets ad, playing in battleground states of Ohio, West Virginia and Wisconsin, already has come under fierce attack.

Kerry's campaign called on President Bush to denounce the ads after filing a legal complaint with the Federal Election Commission alleging Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth produced inaccurate television ads in illegal coordination with the Bush-Cheney campaign.

Yesterday, Bush, without mentioning the swiftboat vets group, said he wanted all of the independent soft-money groups to stop their campaign ads.

The new ad begins with audio and photographs of Kerry charging Americans serving in Vietnam "had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan ... ."

In the 30-second TV spot, Galanti says Kerry "gave the enemy for free what I and many of my comrades in North Vietnam, in the prison camps, took torture to avoid saying. ... It demoralized us."

The Kerry campaign said the ad "takes Kerry's testimony out of context, editing what he said to distort the facts."

Kerry told Fox News in March he had no regrets about his service or his protest.

"Now, if some veterans still can't accept that or they don't like the fact that I stood up and spoke my mind, I respect them, that is their choice," he said.

On Sunday, the Kerry campaign's veterans organizer, John Hurley, said in an interview on Fox News Sunday that Kerry stands by his claims in 1971 before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that U.S. soldiers in Vietnam regularly, and as a matter of official policy, committed war atrocities against innocent civilians.

He denied that Kerry had overstated the case against the war when he returned home as a spokesman for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

On Saturday, another former POW who appears in the swiftboat vets' ad, retired Col. Ken Cordier, resigned as a volunteer from the Bush campaign's veterans' steering committee because of his participation with the swiftboat vets' effort.

"Col. Cordier did not inform the campaign of his involvement in the advertisement," the Bush campaign said in a statement. "Because of his involvement, Col. Cordier will no longer participate as a volunteer for Bush-Cheney '04."

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: conjur
Harvey serves up a dish of Pwnage!

How exactly....nothing he posted proves Kerry was in Cambodia. Right now all we know for sure is that Kerry didn't even know who was President in Dec of 1968.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Next up: POWs blast Kerry in TV documentary
Blah..blah..blah..

The whole Anti War movement demoralized them. The funny thing is without the Anti War Movement most of them would have spent many more years in those camps than they did! Sometimes the truth is Demoralizing, especially the truth about Viet Nam!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

LOL, a link from George Bush's own website. LOL..... you're too funny.

:roll: Seems you are the "funny" one...ofcourse if you had half a clue you'd realize it was a letter to kerry about this issue. You might try reading for once.

Oh, but I guess I'll just dismiss anything that is posted on kerry's site...using your "logic". :roll:

CkG

You do anyway. :roll: I'm sorry, but that letter just spouts too many Bush-ite checklist lines for it to be believable, if at least genuine.

Oh really? Care to point out where I dismissed something posted on kerry's site specifically because it was posted there?

Ofcourse it sounds that way to you - you've bought into the chants of the left You seriously don't see the doublestandard kerry is using regarding this?

CkG

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: conjur
Harvey serves up a dish of Pwnage!

How exactly....nothing he posted proves Kerry was in Cambodia. Right now all we know for sure is that Kerry didn't even know who was President in Dec of 1968.

It most definitely proves he was in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968. And, this is *after* Nixon was elected President in Nov. 1968. Perhaps that was weighing on Kerry's mind in his statement. It certainly doesn't negate that he was there.

You are really stooping low to find anything.

But, if you don't believe it then you don't believe Elliott either. So, that automatically discredits his book.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

LOL, a link from George Bush's own website. LOL..... you're too funny.

:roll: Seems you are the "funny" one...ofcourse if you had half a clue you'd realize it was a letter to kerry about this issue. You might try reading for once.

Oh, but I guess I'll just dismiss anything that is posted on kerry's site...using your "logic". :roll:

CkG

You do anyway. :roll: I'm sorry, but that letter just spouts too many Bush-ite checklist lines for it to be believable, if at least genuine.

Oh really? Care to point out where I dismissed something posted on kerry's site specifically because it was posted there?

Ofcourse it sounds that way to you - you've bought into the chants of the left You seriously don't see the doublestandard kerry is using regarding this?

CkG

Double-standard... ha, that letter is about as spun as much as cotton candy. But this stuff tastes like horse manure.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: conjur
Harvey serves up a dish of Pwnage!

How exactly....nothing he posted proves Kerry was in Cambodia. Right now all we know for sure is that Kerry didn't even know who was President in Dec of 1968.

It most definitely proves he was in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968. And, this is *after* Nixon was elected President in Nov. 1968. Perhaps that was weighing on Kerry's mind in his statement. It certainly doesn't negate that he was there.

You are really stooping low to find anything.

But, if you don't believe it then you don't believe Elliott either. So, that automatically discredits his book.

From Harvey's very link.

"Did Kerry cross the border or just go up to it? We may never know for sure"

Make sure and read the entire article....this is the second time in as many days where you have apparently only skimmed an article to see if it fit your cause.

Nixon's election was "weighing on Kerry's mind" Good lord.........nice reach you got there. :roll:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Letter to kerry

Letter to John Kerry

August 25, 2004

Senator John Kerry
304 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Kerry,

We are pleased to welcome your campaign representatives to Texas today. We honor all our veterans, all whom have worn the uniform and served our country. We also honor the military and National Guard troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan today. We are very proud of all of them and believe they deserve our full support.

That?s why so many veterans are troubled by your vote AGAINST funding for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, after you voted FOR sending them into battle. And that?s why we are so concerned about the comments you made AFTER you came home from Vietnam. You accused your fellow veterans of terrible atrocities ? and, to this day, you have never apologized. Even last night, you claimed to be proud of your post-war condemnation of our actions.

Had to stop right there. What a bunch of CRAP!

Criticizing Kerry for trying to be fiscally responsible while still wanting to protect our soldiers? Perhaps Bush should look in moonbeam's mirror and ask himself why he was going to VETO that very same bill if it wasn't provided for solely with grants (deficit and taxpayers be damned.)

And, Kerry didn't vote FOR sending them into battle. That was Bush's decision, pure and simple. Bush's ill-formed decision that flew completely in the face of the text of the authorization given by the Senate.

 

[NJDevil]

On a slightly different topic, isn't it funny how rip's threads are being locked because he isn't posting his info here?