My take. Biden seemed old, frail, and senile. Trump appeared 20 years younger, even though only 3. But i’d rather an old drooling man be POTUS than any current Republican. 4 more years of inaction would be preferable to another Trump disaster.
Give him all the PEDs he needs. It's a performance, he needs to perform at top peak.Biden needs to recover from his cold and then get back in front of the camera with that SOTU energy.
Biden needs to recover from his cold and then get back in front of the camera with that SOTU energy.
If I'm not mistaken this is the lowest viewership in a quarter century for a first debate. When our population was lower by some 60 million people.
- Not really surprising. Nothing really new here, not like we're "meeting" either of these candidates for the first time.
I'm normally pretty in tune with this stuff and it wasn't until I got to my evening veg that I realized the debate was today and I missed it. Guess because it was a CNN only thing (Instead of the usual CPD hosted thing), other news networks and most people just missed the memo.
Find any other debate that looked anywhere near that bad. It matters because instead of alleviating the biggest concerns against him, he spent 90 minutes confirming them.Guys debates don't matter. They just don't. They never have. The last important debate was probably Kennedy Nixon honestly.
He’s old. Send him to the glue factory!!!
Of course he did, but Biden took the focus away from that crazy town and put the spotlight on himself being old. Also Republicans are the default in this country, if everyone dislikes all the choices the Republican will always win.Trump really did have a bad performance too.
Trump: "So, I want absolutely immaculate clean water and I want absolutely clean air, and we had it. We had H2O. We had the best numbers ever. And we did – we were using all forms of energy, all forms, everything. And yet, during my four years, I had the best environmental numbers ever. And my top environmental people gave me that statistic just before I walked on the stage, actually."
But you can always expect them to shoot themselves in the dick and then complaining about it.That's because the republicans are a far right wing party while the democrats are not at all a left wing party, they're center right. Can't expect the left to fall in line to a party way right of their beliefs.
Yes, because the American voting public is known for their extreme rationalism. That is why Kerry won in 04 and Hilary in 16 and why Biden won 400 electoral votes in 2020.“The President had an off night so I’m now voting for the convicted felon.”- said no rational person ever.
That’s true in OK and TX where you and I live, but not in every state. It will still come down to a half dozen purple states.Of course he did, but Biden took the focus away from that crazy town and put the spotlight on himself being old. Also Republicans are the default in this country, if everyone dislikes all the choices the Republican will always win.
I think it's the default a lot of places, look at all the red state legislatures and governors. But definitely for president with the EC, Republicans are the default.That’s true in OK and TX where you and I live, but not in every state. It will still come down to a half dozen purple states.
It was a bad performance by Biden and it will have a small negative effect on voter sentiment, but for the same reason a good performance by Biden wouldn’t have guaranteed anything for November neither does a bad performance.
Basically the biggest thing to help or hurt Biden will be whatever is in the news cycle the last week or two before the election - See Comeys October surprise.
That is the fire he needed to bring last night. What a difference a day, or PEDs, or a live audience makes.
100% thisBasically the biggest thing to help or hurt Biden will be whatever is in the news cycle the last week or two before the election - See Comeys October surprise.
Trump very often lies... but I dont see how people think Biden tells the truth. Just to name a few from last nights debate:
Good honest take, along with others here who've shared a similar sentiment. Although I don't have four-alarm fires going off in my head, it's wild that some people here are claiming Trump also sucked because he lied a lot. If one guy's performance was a "disaster," then the other guy won unless he was also a disaster.I've had a chance to watch.
Biden could not have done any worse minus collapsing on stage. He was rambling, incoherent, mixed up topics in the same sentence (immigration/abortion) and had virtually nothing to punch back at Trump. Binden's worst moment when he missed a chance to pummel Trump over him claiming Putin told him about a dream to invade Ukraine. I suspect Zelensky is shitting his pants today because if Trump wins he will hand Ukraine over to Russia by cutting off aid.
Trump did nothing but lie the entire time which makes it easier vs having to remember the truth. That's why when law enforcement investigates the ask the questions over and over to see if the story changes. I counted over 27 lies with a few exaggerations sprinkled in. Most worthy lies of note...
Democrat states have abortion after birth
Pelosi turned down 10K troops for the capital
Pelosi ADMITTED she turned down troops (There is a video recording proving all that is a lie)
Biden made up claim Trump called fallen/captured soldiers suckers and losers. His former Chief of Staff John Kelly admitted Trump said it. He was in the room.
NATO was going out of business before he came into office
US has provided more aid to Ukraine vs Europe
US currently has the biggest deficit ever (that happened under Trump)
Can anyone name ANYTHING of substance claimed by Trump that was true?
Having said all that previois incumbant Presidents have lost debates before. I think this one is different because Biden had one objective, to show people he is not too old for the job nd he failed miserably.
Let the hand wringing begin. I'm sure we will all have discussions as where to go from here. Whatever the final decision it needs to happen sooner vs later. This version of Biden will cause people to stay home and that will be a win for Trump. MAGAts are rabid and they would vote for him even if he was caught red handed raping an 8 year old girl.
Sure he had a few weird moments, but the bar is very low for DJT (remember the first debate in 2020 where he was an unhinged madman?). Even his handlers were worried he'd go off script; although Trump tried to attack Hunter Biden, overall he performed "well" by his standards. You, I and others here can tell the lies from the truths but we aren't the vast ocean of low-information voters out there. Trump was effective in peddling a simple, consistent message that Biden did not effectively counter because Biden was ineffective all night (yes, he finally started to warm up after about 20 minutes but he never really had any great moments. His closing statement was a dud.)Trump really did have a bad performance too.
Trump: "So, I want absolutely immaculate clean water and I want absolutely clean air, and we had it. We had H2O. We had the best numbers ever. And we did – we were using all forms of energy, all forms, everything. And yet, during my four years, I had the best environmental numbers ever. And my top environmental people gave me that statistic just before I walked on the stage, actually."
Border crossings in May of 2024 were lower than their peak under Trump in May of 2019 before COVID basically stopped them. I think this is misleading but it's not entirely wrong.Trump very often lies... but I dont see how people think Biden tells the truth. Just to name a few from last nights debate:
-Border Patrol endorses me... and the border has fewer crossings than when Trump was in office
This is a pretty clear misstatement as the cap is $2,000 and he frequently talks about it being $2,000.-$200 cap on overall drug spending in Medicare
I mean unemployment was 12% when Biden took office which is pretty close.-unemployment was at 15% when i took office
- Trump told Americans to inject some bleach during covid
And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.