***Official*** The Super Official Debate Feedback Thread. ***Confirmed***

[nickqt]

With how poorly he performed at the debate, to this a day later? If I was a tin foil wearer I'd swear this had to be a fake AI generated video. This isn't even the same guy, I understand people have off nights, but holy shit the difference in the 2 Bidens here is unreal.

In one video, Biden is standing at a podium looking at a camera in an empty room.

In the other video, Biden is standing in front of an audience and speaking to and with the audience.

The biggest blunder was having a debate between two 80 year old men speaking to an empty room. I'd almost guarantee Biden was not personally responsible for that decision. His campaign staff might have fucked that up, but I doubt Biden wanted that specific venue. Biden is good interacting with audiences. He's been doing that shit for longer than I've been alive.

I listened to Trump ranting and raving like the lunatic everyone fucking knows he is, and I'm supposed to be upset that grandpa is kinda sleepy at 9pm after running the fucking country all day?

Come on, man.

 

[WelshBloke]

Well, 12x better than Trump, for sure, even if he keels over.

Oh yeah, there is absolutely no choice between them. Trump is a bloody nightmare.

 

[WelshBloke]

Being an openly gay man...he'd do worse than Biden. Mainstream America isn't going to vote for any LGBTQ candidate, not going to vote for another candidate that has a name that doesn't sound "American" like Hakeem, and they're not going to vote for a candidate that's overly liberal...or a socialist like Bernie.

I mean they certainly aren't going to vote for them if they aren't ever given that choice!

 

[gothuevos]

With how poorly he performed at the debate, to this a day later? If I was a tin foil wearer I'd swear this had to be a fake AI generated video. This isn't even the same guy, I understand people have off nights, but holy shit the difference in the 2 Bidens here is unreal.

Sundowning

 

[pmv]

I'm curious about the question of how much the mental competence of the President actually matters.

There's always the example of Reagan lurking in the background of such arguments. The man was barely conscious for most of his second term, but it seemed as if he demonstrated that the President is largely just a figurehead and PR-man anyway. He could intone Peggy Noonan's carefully-crafted words while appearing grandfatherly, and that seemed to be enough.

Dubya could barely speak English, and his dad wasn't much better (and Trump took things to a whole other level of gibberish). Calvin Coolidge was so 'low energy' he was barely breathing.

But for some reason it apparently now suddenly matters that the President is old and visibly mentally slowing.

Is the President supposed to actively run the country like an energetic CEO, or is he just a figurehead? Sometimes it seems as if he could be AI-generated and it wouldn't make much difference.

 

[gothuevos]

I'm curious about the question of how much the mental competence of the President actually matters.

There's always the example of Reagan lurking in the background of such arguments. The man was barely conscious for most of his second term, but it seemed as if he demonstrated that the President is largely just a figurehead and PR-man anyway. He could intone Peggy Noonan's carefully-crafted words while appearing grandfatherly, and that seemed to be enough.

Dubya could barely speak English, and his dad wasn't much better (and Trump took things to a whole other level of gibberish). Calvin Coolidge was so 'low energy' he was barely breathing.

But for some reason it apparently now suddenly matters that the President is old and visibly mentally slowing.

Is the President supposed to actively run the country like an energetic CEO, or is he just a figurehead? Sometimes it seems as if he could be AI-generated and it wouldn't make much difference.

If Kamala Harris wasn't even more unpopular than both Trump and Biden, you'd have a great point.

 

[cytg111]

Is the President supposed to actively run the country like an energetic CEO, or is he just a figurehead? Sometimes it seems as if he could be AI-generated and it wouldn't make much difference.

I guess that is why Biden is a banging success, policy wise not PR wise, and Trump was a nightmare. Trump run everything himself cause he the smart.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I listened to Trump ranting and raving like the lunatic everyone fucking knows he is, and I'm supposed to be upset that grandpa is kinda sleepy at 9pm after running the fucking country all day?

Come on, man.

This crossed my mind as well. Shit I get tired at work at like 2pm. Having to work from like 7am until 9pm and then having the debate would be a big drain on my energy and I'm a lot younger than Biden

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

This crossed my mind as well. Shit I get tired at work at like 2pm. Having to work from like 7am until 9pm and then having the debate would be a big drain on my energy and I'm a lot younger than Biden

I kinda feel like a debate involving the president should be on the presidents schedule, not what can specifically reach west coast audiences after dinner.

 

[pmv]

If Kamala Harris wasn't even more unpopular than both Trump and Biden, you'd have a great point.

Don't see the relevance of that. Care to expand?

I'm genuinely asking a question - what exactly is the role of the President in the US system? It seems quite ill-defined, or at least it seems to me that it varies greatly from one administration to the next.

And when voters pick one, are they engaging in a search for the perfect human being who can actively and energetically solve the country's problems, or is it a party platform and a wider team that they are voting for? I really can't figure out Presidential systems in general. Seems to me that they are inherently ambiguous as to whether one is voting for a person or a Party.

 

[Brainonska511]

This crossed my mind as well. Shit I get tired at work at like 2pm. Having to work from like 7am until 9pm and then having the debate would be a big drain on my energy and I'm a lot younger than Biden

Also kind of crazy that the predominant reaction is one again focused on Biden's age, and not the raving lunatic that was spouting nonstop lies and dodging every question.

 

[yottabit]

The thumbnail really doesn’t do the video justice

 

[dank69]

Don't see the relevance of that. Care to expand?

I'm genuinely asking a question - what exactly is the role of the President in the US system? It seems quite ill-defined, or at least it seems to me that it varies greatly from one administration to the next.

His powers are constantly being refined depending on who is in office and who challenges those powers through the legal system. This SCROTUS especially has shown that plain text even in the constitution is not enough to define anything.

And when voters pick one, are they engaging in a search for the perfect human being who can actively and energetically solve the country's problems, or is it a party platform and a wider team that they are voting for? I really can't figure out Presidential systems in general. Seems to me that they are inherently ambiguous as to whether one is voting for a person or a Party.

Some people vote based on policy positions and recent voting record. Other people vote for an uncountable variety of other reasons. The important thing to remember is that every one of those other reasons is stupid.

 

[eelw]

Is the President supposed to actively run the country like an energetic CEO, or is he just a figurehead? Sometimes it seems as if he could be AI-generated and it wouldn't make much difference.

Yup is one like King of Saudi Arabia and someone else running everything? But funny how the orange monkey really thinks he controlled everything. He was manipulated into doing a lot of things. He was more puppet than president.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I don't normally watch the debates. I think they are a stupid way to determine a candidate's fitness for office, but the only reason I watched was to see how the media would handle Trump and how they continue to normalize him instead of calling him out on his batshit lies and the actual lunatic he is, along with his mental illness. The fucking media and the moderators did not disappoint and validated my thoughts and fears. I had some emotional responses when I saw how bad Joe looked. I didn't in a million years think he would have come across the way he did. He couldn't even call Trump out on the volcano of lies he was spewing. All he had to do was respond with "Now that's a lie" I don't even need to give those lies a rebuttal. Donald, You know they are lies and the American people who are not in your cult of personality know they are lies" Respond with this over and over. Team Biden knew, we all fucking know, the Trump modus operandi. And either didn’t prepare for it, which I find difficult to believe, or they guy (Biden) wasn’t up to the job. And that's what some of these undecideds will see after this ...He is not up for the job.

All these "OMG your shitting your pants" responses on here are interesting. There is only a little over 4 months left till the election. And whether you like it or not. That debate put the "Sleepy Joe" meme to the forefront. That debate performance will hurt Joe with the undecideds and the Zombies who are not political and get any info about who they should vote for from their nutty MAGA gen X and boomer parents. Or the voters who will see this and sit the election out entirely. If Trump were smart (lol) he won't do any other debates. I'm not sticking my fingers in my ears this time, and I’m glad people in positions of power aren’t either. Too much is on the line to just hope this will all work out with the 81-year-old who just showcased the reasons why many undecideds are not going to vote for him. Remember, many "undecideds" know Trump is a POS, but they lived through 4 years of him already and their world and way of life didn't end. Many of these people see Trump as a figurehead and not really in control of the country, just like they see Biden. Apathy. I hope it will work out with Joe, but before it gets any later, I’m glad there’s some soul searching going on.

Don't get me wrong here. I will vote for Joe if he's on life support over a complete nutjob like Trump, but to not be concerned about the very real possibility of a Trump second term is a little misguided. Mission #1 is to take out Trump. Our Democracy depends on it. Biden and the Democrats have struggled to do so. The Dems messaging is horrible. Why wouldn't anyone be concerned that their only chance to slow the advance of fascism and a complete disaster taking over the country is a party and a candidate that can’t effectively fight one of the worst politicians, leader and human being in human existence ever, and the worst human in existence to gain popular exposure. Some emotional overreaction is a normal way one would be extremely concerned over a second Trump presidency and project 2025 coming to fruition.

I'm not necessarily for Joe to step down, but I hope the Dems have a plan for this and better plan for messaging what a complete liar Trump is and of how unfit for office he is. I haven't seen it yet. Time to get to work Dems! This election is NOT a cake walk!

 

[Muse]

I'm curious about the question of how much the mental competence of the President actually matters.

There's always the example of Reagan lurking in the background of such arguments. The man was barely conscious for most of his second term, but it seemed as if he demonstrated that the President is largely just a figurehead and PR-man anyway. He could intone Peggy Noonan's carefully-crafted words while appearing grandfatherly, and that seemed to be enough.

Dubya could barely speak English, and his dad wasn't much better (and Trump took things to a whole other level of gibberish). Calvin Coolidge was so 'low energy' he was barely breathing.

But for some reason it apparently now suddenly matters that the President is old and visibly mentally slowing.

Is the President supposed to actively run the country like an energetic CEO, or is he just a figurehead? Sometimes it seems as if he could be AI-generated and it wouldn't make much difference.

Good point. POTUS is, if successful, an administrator.

 

[fskimospy]

Imagine the meltdown about Biden’s mental acuity if he said this:

Critics Clown Trump's 'IDIOTIC' Electric Planes Remarks: 'Dumb As A Box Of Rocks'

"What happens if the sun isn’t shining while you’re up in the air?” the former president asked at a rally in Virginia.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Brainonska511]

Imagine the meltdown about Biden’s mental acuity if he said this:

Critics Clown Trump's 'IDIOTIC' Electric Planes Remarks: 'Dumb As A Box Of Rocks'

"What happens if the sun isn’t shining while you’re up in the air?” the former president asked at a rally in Virginia.

www.huffpost.com

Can't worry or constantly write about that because the Republican party has no agency and media can't shape public opinion. /s

 

[brycejones]

Imagine the meltdown about Biden’s mental acuity if he said this:

Critics Clown Trump's 'IDIOTIC' Electric Planes Remarks: 'Dumb As A Box Of Rocks'

"What happens if the sun isn’t shining while you’re up in the air?” the former president asked at a rally in Virginia.

www.huffpost.com

Any minute now the NYT will issue an editorial calling for Trump to drop out....



any minute......



any minute.....



just a few more minutes.....

 

[K1052]

Imagine the meltdown about Biden’s mental acuity if he said this:

Critics Clown Trump's 'IDIOTIC' Electric Planes Remarks: 'Dumb As A Box Of Rocks'

"What happens if the sun isn’t shining while you’re up in the air?” the former president asked at a rally in Virginia.

www.huffpost.com

What's interesting this time around is while the liberal pundit class has its nervous breakdown Trump is giving fence sitting voters more arguments to not flip for him than ever before and at least some are hearing it.

 

[WelshBloke]

Imagine the meltdown about Biden’s mental acuity if he said this:

Critics Clown Trump's 'IDIOTIC' Electric Planes Remarks: 'Dumb As A Box Of Rocks'

"What happens if the sun isn’t shining while you’re up in the air?” the former president asked at a rally in Virginia.

www.huffpost.com

This is the entire point some people are making. That stuff doesnt matter to Trump because he already has the people who dont care that he talks crap on his side.
It doesnt work both ways.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm curious about the question of how much the mental competence of the President actually matters.

There's always the example of Reagan lurking in the background of such arguments. The man was barely conscious for most of his second term, but it seemed as if he demonstrated that the President is largely just a figurehead and PR-man anyway. He could intone Peggy Noonan's carefully-crafted words while appearing grandfatherly, and that seemed to be enough.

Dubya could barely speak English, and his dad wasn't much better (and Trump took things to a whole other level of gibberish). Calvin Coolidge was so 'low energy' he was barely breathing.

But for some reason it apparently now suddenly matters that the President is old and visibly mentally slowing.

Is the President supposed to actively run the country like an energetic CEO, or is he just a figurehead? Sometimes it seems as if he could be AI-generated and it wouldn't make much difference.

Your examples, to me, make it abundantly clear that the people surrounding the president are more important than the capabilities of the president.

 

[K1052]

Your examples, to me, make it abundantly clear that the people surrounding the president are more important than the capabilities of the president.

Staffing has always been the make or break of a presidency. Since the founding of the republic.

 

[Brainonska511]

This is the entire point some people are making. That stuff doesnt matter to Trump because he already has the people who dont care that he talks crap on his side.
It doesnt work both ways.

The whole issue is that the media largely ignores it. It should be highlighted every day from every legitimate outlet that the one guy who could become president is legitimately a crazy person, a convicted felon, and in tons of still pending legal trouble. Not reporting it and assuming people "know it" normalizes it and let's people forget about the primary issue at hand. Instead, they just shit their pants on Biden all the time.

And if Biden died I'm office, that isn't the end of the world. That's why we have the backup president (aka, VP). The president isn't micromanaging the country: they are putting their people in place to run the country.

The important aspect of directing criticism and whatnot is living in reality and deciding what you realistically want to get done, not what you wish could happen if circumstances were totally different. The people at media outlets and their sources have power to direct these narratives, despite what they claim.

 

[brycejones]

Imagine the meltdown about Biden’s mental acuity if he said this:

Critics Clown Trump's 'IDIOTIC' Electric Planes Remarks: 'Dumb As A Box Of Rocks'

"What happens if the sun isn’t shining while you’re up in the air?” the former president asked at a rally in Virginia.

www.huffpost.com

More lucid ideas from Trump right @Greenman?