***OFFICIAL*** TRANSFORMERS MOVIE THREAD

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: EGGO
You mean there's still a good crowd at the theater?

very much so. My theater had pretty decent crowds today for Transformers. Still selling pretty well on some days. But some days are better than others.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: biggestmuff

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: biggestmuff

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Kev
how anyone could not like this movie just boggles my mind

Like I said, the original show was Robots vs Robots and the humans were just kind of there. This was more like Humanity vs Robots with some Robots as assistance. Heck, they said the idea of the movie was more about a "boy and his car" than anything else... that's not transformers.

who gives a fuck? it's a movie not a cartoon.

plus, in this modern day, if a filmmaker completely ignored the capabilities of the military, it would make people rather upset.

Well, they totally ignored the technological side of a military network. It's not "hacking" when data is being exfiltrated from inside the network. That whole side of the story line was ridiculous.

well they had to make the military network in such a way that it would work on film. Look to Live Free or Die Hard for an example of unrealistic network structure.

not to mention, it still is considered hacking, because even if inside the network, you still have to break into it to access the files. Just because you can see a computer thats attached to some network, it doesn't mean you can access the files of that network.

The only real problem I had with the technological aspect, is that a 1-star general was able to order the entire defense network to be shut down. In real life, a 4-star general still couldn't do that without permission from SecDef or, most likely, the President.

I thought they handled the military aspect pretty well, given the nature of the film and its time constraints for that specific story line. And the technological side of the network? The entire military story was all about the technological side of the network, and the whole concept of breaking communications within the hierarchy of the military.

That's not true at all.

lol
you think a 1-star general has the ability to do that?
sure, under extreme circumstances, you act now and take repercussions later, but still... a 1-star general would likely NOT be making that decision, under any circumstances... except for the circumstances that none of his superiors are alive or in the building. Pentagon = a few 3-stars and even 4-stars easily accessible.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: rh71
FYI in an interview they said the scenes were all shot in 90 days. In contrast, Pirates of the Carribean (with fewer action scenes) took 280 days.

Anytime a movie is filmed with water scenes it automatically takes longer.

Transformers was a rushed production however.

I can't really agree that it was a rushed production. It had plenty of time to be shot.
The main thing, its readily conceivable a production of this type could be shot quickly, as most scenes are triggered explosions with extras being used in place of the robots. Give the scenes to ILM and have them work their magic. That probably took AT LEAST as long as the filming portion of production did.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

I really enjoyed it. Definitely surprised me as I was thinking Michael Bay would ruin yet another movie.

 

[MBrown]

Excellent movie. I just saw it today. Do you all think that they will make a second one?

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: MBrown
Excellent movie. I just saw it today. Do you all think that they will make a second one?

read the thread.
paramount greenlit 2 & 3 about a week before the movie was even released in theaters. Shia, Megan Fox, and Peter Cullen are all signed on for the 2nd movie too.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: EGGO
You mean there's still a good crowd at the theater?

very much so. My theater had pretty decent crowds today for Transformers. Still selling pretty well on some days. But some days are better than others.

Came in 2nd behind the Harry Potter movie. Made something on the order of $36 million dollars this weekend. Very strong considering the number of movies that have come out this summer and lost almost all of their audience the second weekend.

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: biggestmuff

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: biggestmuff

Originally posted by: destrekor

plus, in this modern day, if a filmmaker completely ignored the capabilities of the military, it would make people rather upset.

Well, they totally ignored the technological side of a military network. It's not "hacking" when data is being exfiltrated from inside the network. That whole side of the story line was ridiculous.

well they had to make the military network in such a way that it would work on film. Look to Live Free or Die Hard for an example of unrealistic network structure.

not to mention, it still is considered hacking, because even if inside the network, you still have to break into it to access the files. Just because you can see a computer thats attached to some network, it doesn't mean you can access the files of that network.

The only real problem I had with the technological aspect, is that a 1-star general was able to order the entire defense network to be shut down. In real life, a 4-star general still couldn't do that without permission from SecDef or, most likely, the President.

I thought they handled the military aspect pretty well, given the nature of the film and its time constraints for that specific story line. And the technological side of the network? The entire military story was all about the technological side of the network, and the whole concept of breaking communications within the hierarchy of the military.

That's not true at all.

lol
you think a 1-star general has the ability to do that?
sure, under extreme circumstances, you act now and take repercussions later, but still... a 1-star general would likely NOT be making that decision, under any circumstances... except for the circumstances that none of his superiors are alive or in the building. Pentagon = a few 3-stars and even 4-stars easily accessible.

A BG would have the ability. That's not what I'm disagreeing with. Those type of decisions are made by lesser ranking officers. It doesn't take a member of the star family to do that. Trust me. I see, and am part of, CND/CNO NetOps decisions made on a daily basis.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
<sigh>

So what if the movie deviated from the original show? Did you really want a frame by frame remake of a 20 year old cartoon? I certainly didn't. If I ever felt I needed to see the original show, I'd watch the original show.

There were some things I felt could have been done better, but in all honesty the end result was pretty spectacular. Yes, it was geared more towards a family movie, but it did pay a lot of respect to the original show.

Where in God's name did I say I wanted something exactly like the original? I wanted something resembling what I knew, not an exact clone. This movie did not come close to even resembling the transformers for me and if you disagree, I think you need to watch the original show again.

Originally posted by: destrekor
agreed.

not to mention, who the hell cares if the movie itself was about a boy and its car. The back story is still there, and ever present whenever Optimus Prime talks.
Don't worry, you'll see a lot more of the story with Transformers 2. Starscream will probably lead more Decepticons to Earth, Optimus and the rest of the Autobots will fight them off, and I can almost guarantee Megatron will come back as Galvatron and probably kill Starscream. I hope he doesn't kill Starscream, but I bet there will be a fight and at the least Starscream will probably be sent off into space, defeated and weak.

I do! I didn't go to see some boy getting his man-panties in a twist because Jesus took his car (and if you don't get the reference, you might want to look it up). If you think the back story exists because of character's existence, then why do people mock movies like Bloodrayne (and the rest of the Uwe Boll movies)... the original characters exist in those movies, even though the stories are completely mashed up (i.e. no nazis in Bloodrayne).

Maybe that's why I'm so pissed off about it... I see this as yet another Uwe Boll wanna-be film and yet no one complains just because things are "somewhat realistic" and "action is through the roof!" Spare me.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: destrekor
agreed.

not to mention, who the hell cares if the movie itself was about a boy and its car. The back story is still there, and ever present whenever Optimus Prime talks.
Don't worry, you'll see a lot more of the story with Transformers 2. Starscream will probably lead more Decepticons to Earth, Optimus and the rest of the Autobots will fight them off, and I can almost guarantee Megatron will come back as Galvatron and probably kill Starscream. I hope he doesn't kill Starscream, but I bet there will be a fight and at the least Starscream will probably be sent off into space, defeated and weak.

I do! I didn't go to see some boy getting his man-panties in a twist because Jesus took his car (and if you don't get the reference, you might want to look it up). If you think the back story exists because of character's existence, then why do people mock movies like Bloodrayne (and the rest of the Uwe Boll movies)... the original characters exist in those movies, even though the stories are completely mashed up (i.e. no nazis in Bloodrayne).

Maybe that's why I'm so pissed off about it... I see this as yet another Uwe Boll wanna-be film and yet no one complains just because things are "somewhat realistic" and "action is through the roof!" Spare me.

if you think movie goers want to see a live-action robot on robot action flick, with no presence of humans... than you are mistaken. Those who enjoy nostalgia would have watched it, but it wouldn't have sold. Modern times call for a modern telling, and if its live action and takes place on Earth, it cannot be realistic if the military is completely ignored.
and if the military is present in the film, then you are going to basically get a spiral of storyline arcs that introduces more and more things, ending up with a boy and his car. Since the Witwicky family has always been present in the universe, it was destined to be in this movie. So if those humans are in it, then a modern live telling is going to require a believable reason. Enter the governent, S7, and 'ice-man'.
To me, all of the storyline arcs in Transformers make sense, and while the hacker portion is the most boring, makes relative sense considering the entire flow of the storyline. To me, its really hard to complain.

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
<sigh>

So what if the movie deviated from the original show? Did you really want a frame by frame remake of a 20 year old cartoon? I certainly didn't. If I ever felt I needed to see the original show, I'd watch the original show.

There were some things I felt could have been done better, but in all honesty the end result was pretty spectacular. Yes, it was geared more towards a family movie, but it did pay a lot of respect to the original show.

Where in God's name did I say I wanted something exactly like the original? I wanted something resembling what I knew, not an exact clone. This movie did not come close to even resembling the transformers for me and if you disagree, I think you need to watch the original show again.

The movie doesn't even resemble Transformers as you knew it? You don't want a remake of the original series, but you complain when there isn't enough resemblance? What exactly are you looking for? Do you not understand that the movie was made for the masses, not just those of us who know what a dinobot is? I guess that could have been done, but it certainly would not have been given a $150 million budget.

The original cartoon was good, for what it was. Do you really need a re-imagining of that? Doesn't change and re-invention every couple of decades bring some new and maybe better ideas to the table?

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: destrekor
if you think movie goers want to see a live-action robot on robot action flick, with no presence of humans... than you are mistaken.

If you read my posts, then you would see that I mentioned the original show had humans in it, yet they weren't the main presence as they were in the movie. Also, what proof do you have that people would deny seeing a movie where the main focus was the robots?

Originally posted by: destrekor
Those who enjoy nostalgia would have watched it, but it wouldn't have sold. Modern times call for a modern telling, and if its live action and takes place on Earth, it cannot be realistic if the military is completely ignored.

S7 could've been ignored... in fact, it never should've been in the movie or at least made a little better than it was. Jesus hammed it up quite a bit.

Originally posted by: destrekor
To me, all of the storyline arcs in Transformers make sense, and while the hacker portion is the most boring, makes relative sense considering the entire flow of the storyline. To me, its really hard to complain.

Most of the involvement of the government was over the top.

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
The movie doesn't even resemble Transformers as you knew it? You don't want a remake of the original series, but you complain when there isn't enough resemblance?

Yep, I believe resembling does not infer being a clone. Pretty simple logic there.

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
What exactly are you looking for? Do you not understand that the movie was made for the masses, not just those of us who know what a dinobot is? I guess that could have been done, but it certainly would not have been given a $150 million budget.

The original cartoon was good, for what it was. Do you really need a re-imagining of that? Doesn't change and re-invention every couple of decades bring some new and maybe better ideas to the table?

You still haven't even touched the main point here. This movie was nothing like the original show.. the only resemblance was in names and remotely in design. Whenever this happens, people always get in an uproar over the differences... yet people don't seem to care here because they took a couple lines from the original Transformers movie? Puh-lease, take off your rose-colored glasses and take another look. The movie was an intellectual property that was mashed up into a pretty picture for a good money maker.

The main focus of Transformers has always been the robots and no, changing that was not a "better idea."

 

[RaiderJ]

But WHY does the movie need to be like the original show? A live-action movie made for the masses today should be different than a 20 year old cartoon for children. Having huge transforming robots on earth, but playing down the presence of humans would seem silly. Why else would the robots even need to look like vehicles? And please tell me you don't think Megatron should have been a size-shifting pistol - that's just goofy.

And yes, the movie was "an intellectual property that was mashed up into a pretty picture for a good money maker". That's the idea. The cartoon was good for what is was, and this movie did an good job in making Transformers "mainstream". You have to admit, the early scene where Blackout takes out the military base was really impressive.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
But WHY does the movie need to be like the original show? A live-action movie made for the masses today should be different than a 20 year old cartoon for children. Having huge transforming robots on earth, but playing down the presence of humans would seem silly. Why else would the robots even need to look like vehicles? And please tell me you don't think Megatron should have been a size-shifting pistol - that's just goofy.

And yes, the movie was "an intellectual property that was mashed up into a pretty picture for a good money maker". That's the idea. The cartoon was good for what is was, and this movie did an good job in making Transformers "mainstream". You have to admit, the early scene where Blackout takes out the military base was really impressive.

I actually didn't care that Megatron wasn't a pistol. As much as he is the leader of the Decepticons, it was minor to me. I also didn't complain about Bumblebee not being a VW Beetle. Oh and if you try to link me the part where I linked the new beetle, that was about someone saying the show was being modernized (i.e. the new beetle being modern over the old one).

I don't care about it being an action movie! I don't care if they change certain things, just don't change the main idea of the Transformers... robots vs robots. I don't care how they implement it, I did not feel like I was watching a robot vs robot movie when I saw that. That was disappointing.

 

[legcramp]

I actually preferred the human plot over the robots vs robots only... seems boring... The Sam part actually made the movie enjoyable for the masses IMO... the side humor etc.

 

[secretanchitman]

lets just say...megan fox is really hot.

movie was good too!

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
But WHY does the movie need to be like the original show? A live-action movie made for the masses today should be different than a 20 year old cartoon for children. Having huge transforming robots on earth, but playing down the presence of humans would seem silly. Why else would the robots even need to look like vehicles? And please tell me you don't think Megatron should have been a size-shifting pistol - that's just goofy.

And yes, the movie was "an intellectual property that was mashed up into a pretty picture for a good money maker". That's the idea. The cartoon was good for what is was, and this movie did an good job in making Transformers "mainstream". You have to admit, the early scene where Blackout takes out the military base was really impressive.

I actually didn't care that Megatron wasn't a pistol. As much as he is the leader of the Decepticons, it was minor to me. I also didn't complain about Bumblebee not being a VW Beetle. Oh and if you try to link me the part where I linked the new beetle, that was about someone saying the show was being modernized (i.e. the new beetle being modern over the old one).

I don't care about it being an action movie! I don't care if they change certain things, just don't change the main idea of the Transformers... robots vs robots. I don't care how they implement it, I did not feel like I was watching a robot vs robot movie when I saw that. That was disappointing.

did we watch the same movie? I've watched it 3 times, and each time it feels more and more like a robot vs robot movie. Even though the humans have more screen time, each non-robot scene is merely driving the story and aiming towards more robot vs robot action.

and as much as size-shifting is kind of goofy and might not go over all too well with audiences (but they have ignored and/or just don't mind the allspark's size shifting)... I hope to see Soundwave and the Constructicons (the latter not so much of a size-shifting idea).

 

[Mermaidman]

So I left the theatre when the nerd stuck the cube in big bad guy's heart. (I had to catch a flight.) Did anything spectacular happen after that?

BTW, thought the CGI was perhaps the best I've ever seen, but horrid script and plot.

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
But WHY does the movie need to be like the original show? A live-action movie made for the masses today should be different than a 20 year old cartoon for children. Having huge transforming robots on earth, but playing down the presence of humans would seem silly. Why else would the robots even need to look like vehicles? And please tell me you don't think Megatron should have been a size-shifting pistol - that's just goofy.

And yes, the movie was "an intellectual property that was mashed up into a pretty picture for a good money maker". That's the idea. The cartoon was good for what is was, and this movie did an good job in making Transformers "mainstream". You have to admit, the early scene where Blackout takes out the military base was really impressive.

I actually didn't care that Megatron wasn't a pistol. As much as he is the leader of the Decepticons, it was minor to me. I also didn't complain about Bumblebee not being a VW Beetle. Oh and if you try to link me the part where I linked the new beetle, that was about someone saying the show was being modernized (i.e. the new beetle being modern over the old one).

I don't care about it being an action movie! I don't care if they change certain things, just don't change the main idea of the Transformers... robots vs robots. I don't care how they implement it, I did not feel like I was watching a robot vs robot movie when I saw that. That was disappointing.

I figure since Megatron crash landed onto Earth 1000's of years before the movie was set, he wasn't able to change his identity to an Earth object to blend in. What you saw of Megatron was his Cybertron form.


My question is, I know it was talked about here but not sure if it was answered, how is it that all of a sudden Bumblebee can talk at the end?

 

[Aharami]

saw this movie with my gf yesterday. wow what a good movie!

 

[StartingLine]

Movie was pretty good, a guy like me of course wishes it was rated R and was made for adults but the reasonable side of me realizes they need to make their 200m back and get kids to watch it as well. The cheese was pretty bad but the action was great.

Hated
-sector 7, give me a break
-the 'popular' chick second main character, give me a break poor me parole story shut it
-the 'hot chick' computer analyst, umm yeah i dont think so
-cheese comments like 'more than meets the eye'
-jazz but then again they probably made him to hate so you dont care when he dies


Loved
-optimus, man they did a good job he looked excellent
-main character he is pretty entertaining for a light comedy
-size of the robots, megatron was friggin huge
-story was pretty good
-robot battle at the end rocked especially the humans helping

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: StartingLine
Movie was pretty good, a guy like me of course wishes it was rated R and was made for adults but the reasonable side of me realizes they need to make their 200m back and get kids to watch it as well.

What more could they do with an 'R' rating? Nude robots? I mean i don't think it is necessary. There was plenty of action and destruction that an R rating would have been overkill.

Also the movie was released to promote toys so it would never be targeted for adults only.

 

[StartingLine]

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: StartingLine
Movie was pretty good, a guy like me of course wishes it was rated R and was made for adults but the reasonable side of me realizes they need to make their 200m back and get kids to watch it as well.

What more could they do with an 'R' rating? Nude robots? I mean i don't think it is necessary. There was plenty of action and destruction that an R rating would have been overkill.

Also the movie was released to promote toys so it would never be targeted for adults only.

R rating to take all the cheesy teenage lines out of it and up the violence a bit perhaps. Yeah, thanks for pointing out to me what I already pointed out to myself, that the movie wasnt made for adults only

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: StartingLine

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: StartingLine
Movie was pretty good, a guy like me of course wishes it was rated R and was made for adults but the reasonable side of me realizes they need to make their 200m back and get kids to watch it as well.

What more could they do with an 'R' rating? Nude robots? I mean i don't think it is necessary. There was plenty of action and destruction that an R rating would have been overkill.

Also the movie was released to promote toys so it would never be targeted for adults only.

R rating to take all the cheesy teenage lines out of it and up the violence a bit perhaps. Yeah, thanks for pointing out to me what I already pointed out to myself, that the movie wasnt made for adults only

I wasn't pointing out that it wasn't made for adults only. I was just correcting you on your reason why it wasn't made for adults only. You said to make back the 200m they spent on making the movie while i said it was to sell toys. Two different reasons IMO.

 

[StartingLine]

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: StartingLine

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: StartingLine
Movie was pretty good, a guy like me of course wishes it was rated R and was made for adults but the reasonable side of me realizes they need to make their 200m back and get kids to watch it as well.

What more could they do with an 'R' rating? Nude robots? I mean i don't think it is necessary. There was plenty of action and destruction that an R rating would have been overkill.

Also the movie was released to promote toys so it would never be targeted for adults only.

R rating to take all the cheesy teenage lines out of it and up the violence a bit perhaps. Yeah, thanks for pointing out to me what I already pointed out to myself, that the movie wasnt made for adults only

I wasn't pointing out that it wasn't made for adults only. I was just correcting you on your reason why it wasn't made for adults only. You said to make back the 200m they spent on making the movie while i said it was to sell toys. Two different reasons IMO.

Actually they are one in the same, they dont make it rated R to make their 200m dollars back. I didnt spell out the exact methods but I would leave it to the reader to deduce a lower rating would lead to more kids watching and everything that comes from that (toys blah blah) it doesnt really matter.