***OFFICIAL*** UEFA Euro 2004 thread

[brigden]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: Xiety
Sorry fellas but I just watched the disallowed goal and its 100% right decision. You don't put your hands on the goalkeeper's shoulders in football.

recap of the disallowed video

campbell didnt. to me it looks like england got robbed

No player is allowed to interfere with the keeper. It was a fair call. Shame.

 

[joohang]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: Xiety
Sorry fellas but I just watched the disallowed goal and its 100% right decision. You don't put your hands on the goalkeeper's shoulders in football.

recap of the disallowed video

campbell didnt. to me it looks like england got robbed

But Terry did.

Sorry. I am an Arsenal fan so I would defend Sol Campbell to the best I can, but the ref called that one right.

 

[GasX]

As a defenseman and part-time goalkeeper, I can assure you that touching the goalkeeper is a no-no. If you touch me when I am in goal, you are going to end up on your ass shaking off the stars floating around your head. The refs take the same stand and call things SUPER tight around the goalie.

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: Xiety
Sorry fellas but I just watched the disallowed goal and its 100% right decision. You don't put your hands on the goalkeeper's shoulders in football.

recap of the disallowed video

campbell didnt. to me it looks like england got robbed

wow... you couldn't make it any clearer: you don't know anything about football.

doesn't matter who makes the foul. it could be the scorer, be the assister, be the midfielder, or your own goalkeeper. you put your hands on the goalkeeper like that and the refree will call it.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
As a defenseman and part-time goalkeeper, I can assure you that touching the goalkeeper is a no-no. If you touch me when I am in goal, you are going to end up on your ass shaking off the stars floating around your head. The refs take the same stand and call things SUPER tight around the goalie.

Word. They should take that stand anyway, since every contact with the GK in his small area is a foul by definition.

 

[spherrod]

I couldn't take the tension last night - had to go for a walk. Still, in the cold light of day Portgual deserved the win but the ref had a shocker. The linesman allowed Sol Campbell's goal and the ref who could not possibly see it overruled him. From what I've seen Terry is standing his ground an jumping for the ball, Ricardo is flapping hopelessly and Campbell powers the ball home.

Couple this with his consitently biased decisions towards Portugal and he should be taken off the UEFA list of referees.

And whoever's been talking about British hooligans, just shut up. As pointed out, Turkey and Germany have the same problem (probably worse) and what about the constant racist abuse in Italy? However, it's always the British fans who will get the media coverage. If anything like what happens in Turkish games happened in England, we'd be kicked out of Europe again

 

[Czar]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/virtualreplay/euro2004/index.shtml?25002

 

[Czar]

after looking at the recap the referee was definetly correct in his decision

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: spherrod
I couldn't take the tension last night - had to go for a walk. Still, in the cold light of day Portgual deserved the win but the ref had a shocker. The linesman allowed Sol Campbell's goal and the ref who could not possibly see it overruled him. From what I've seen Terry is standing his ground an jumping for the ball, Ricardo is flapping hopelessly and Campbell powers the ball home.

Couple this with his consitently biased decisions towards Portugal and he should be taken off the UEFA list of referees.

And whoever's been talking about British hooligans, just shut up. As pointed out, Turkey and Germany have the same problem (probably worse) and what about the constant racist abuse in Italy? However, it's always the British fans who will get the media coverage. If anything like what happens in Turkish games happened in England, we'd be kicked out of Europe again

LOL.... such biased opinion can only be found in the hands of the Brit

Anyways, that was clearly foul. Sorry fella. Its cut and clear. Watch the video I am hosting above. You canNOT put your hands on the goalkeepers shoulders and try to keep him on the ground. That's foul.

The problem in Germany and Turkey is nowhere close to the problem in Britain and everywhere else with Brits. One incident in Germany or Turkey does NOT mean they are as a bad as the British in holiganism. In fact, I don't remember any videos of the incident in Turkey as it was a post-game thing and nobody can know what happened there between the British and Turkish fans. What the British is famous for is "holiganism after a lost". Heh...

 

[spherrod]

LOL.... such biased opinion can only be found in the hands of the Brit

Anyways, that was clearly foul. Sorry fella. Its cut and clear. Watch the video I am hosting above. You canNOT put your hands on the goalkeepers shoulders and try to keep him on the ground. That's foul.

The problem in Germany and Turkey is nowhere close to the problem in Britain and everywhere else with Brits. One incident in Germany or Turkey does NOT mean they are as a bad as the British in holiganism. In fact, I don't remember any videos of the incident in Turkey as it was a post-game thing and nobody can know what happened there between the British and Turkish fans. What the British is famous for is "holiganism after a lost". Heh...[/quote]

I have watched the video and various recaps, watch Terry's eyes as he goes for the ball and stands his ground - he makes no attempt to foul the keeper but is simply going for the ball - he does not 'hold down' Ricardo. It's a physical game and the keeper should have to get round this, to say that no contact is allowed with the keeper is blatantly wrong - the ref would have had no hesitation in awarding the goal at the other end.

However, as I've said previously Portugal were the better team on the night.

You obviously have little knowledge of the frequent organised football violence in Germany as well as the attitude of Turkish fans - I'm not talking about the incident where two Leeds fans were stabbed but for example the constant pelting of English team buses (club and international) with bricks and other missiles when playing Turkey or the throwing of missiles onto the pitch at players in recent international matches.

There are some British hooligans but they are in the minority and the sweeping statement you made was just incorrect

 

[Czar]

It is not terry that is at fault its the other guy next to him

watch the video, watch where is left arm is!

 

[Czar]

I would post a screenshot but I dont have a host, pics.bbzzdd.com doesnt want to email me my activation code

 

[jim1976]

It's a physical game and the keeper should have to get round this, to say that no contact is allowed with the keeper is blatantly wrong

LOL.What are you talkin about man?

 

[spherrod]

Originally posted by: Czar
It is not terry that is at fault its the other guy next to him

watch the video, watch where is left arm is!

I think you mean John Terry

 

[spherrod]

Originally posted by: jim1976

It's a physical game and the keeper should have to get round this, to say that no contact is allowed with the keeper is blatantly wrong

LOL.What are you talkin about man?

Your statement says that if someone touches the keeper it's a foul - you are wrong

 

[Czar]

or that, no idea what their names are

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: spherrod

Originally posted by: jim1976

It's a physical game and the keeper should have to get round this, to say that no contact is allowed with the keeper is blatantly wrong

LOL.What are you talkin about man?

Your statement says that if someone touches the keeper it's a foul - you are wrong

Every contact with the GK in his small area is a foul by definition. Do u know that?
But if only Sol was in the phase maybe the ref wouldn't give a foul since he's jumping clearly for the ball.
It's Terry's action that he can't oversee.

 

[Czar]

Offences against goalkeepers
Referees are reminded that:
 it is an offence for a player to prevent a goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands
 a player must be penalised for playing in a dangerous manner if he kicks or attempts to kick the
ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it
 it is an offence to restrict the movement of the goalkeeper by unfairly impeding him at the taking
of a corner kick

http://www.fifa.com/fifa/handbook/laws/2003/LOTG2003_e.pdf

 

[spherrod]

LOL.What are you talkin about man?[/quote]

Your statement says that if someone touches the keeper it's a foul - you are wrong[/quote]

Every contact with the GK in his small area is a foul by definition. Do u know that?
But if only Sol was in the phase maybe the ref wouldn't give a foul since he's jumping clearly for the ball.
It's Terry's action that he can't oversee.[/quote]

We'll just have to agree to disagree, players can touch the goalkeeper if they're legitimately going for the ball. Sol Campbell's 'goal' against Argentina in 1998 was rightly disallowed because of Shearer's elbow for this reason but Terry is simply jumping for the ball ahead of Ricardo.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: spherrod
LOL.What are you talkin about man?

Your statement says that if someone touches the keeper it's a foul - you are wrong[/quote]

Every contact with the GK in his small area is a foul by definition. Do u know that?
But if only Sol was in the phase maybe the ref wouldn't give a foul since he's jumping clearly for the ball.
It's Terry's action that he can't oversee.[/quote]

We'll just have to agree to disagree, players can touch the goalkeeper if they're legitimately going for the ball. Sol Campbell's 'goal' against Argentina in 1998 was rightly disallowed because of Shearer's elbow for this reason but Terry is simply jumping for the ball ahead of Ricardo.[/quote]

Sure man. Whatever.

 

[Czar]

he is holding the man down thats why its a foul

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: spherrod
LOL.... such biased opinion can only be found in the hands of the Brit

Anyways, that was clearly foul. Sorry fella. Its cut and clear. Watch the video I am hosting above. You canNOT put your hands on the goalkeepers shoulders and try to keep him on the ground. That's foul.

The problem in Germany and Turkey is nowhere close to the problem in Britain and everywhere else with Brits. One incident in Germany or Turkey does NOT mean they are as a bad as the British in holiganism. In fact, I don't remember any videos of the incident in Turkey as it was a post-game thing and nobody can know what happened there between the British and Turkish fans. What the British is famous for is "holiganism after a lost". Heh...

I have watched the video and various recaps, watch Terry's eyes as he goes for the ball and stands his ground - he makes no attempt to foul the keeper but is simply going for the ball - he does not 'hold down' Ricardo. It's a physical game and the keeper should have to get round this, to say that no contact is allowed with the keeper is blatantly wrong - the ref would have had no hesitation in awarding the goal at the other end.

However, as I've said previously Portugal were the better team on the night.

You obviously have little knowledge of the frequent organised football violence in Germany as well as the attitude of Turkish fans - I'm not talking about the incident where two Leeds fans were stabbed but for example the constant pelting of English team buses (club and international) with bricks and other missiles when playing Turkey or the throwing of missiles onto the pitch at players in recent international matches.

There are some British hooligans but they are in the minority and the sweeping statement you made was just incorrect[/quote]

LOL... I don't have much time to discuss the holiganism but about the disallowed goal.
Sure, it`s not a foul if your intention is to jump for the ball and the keeper touches you, but you can't touch the goalkeeper. Yesterday, as we can clearly see from the video, he has his hands on the goalkeeper's shoulders, preventing him to move towards the ball. Not just for the goalkeeper, that's a foul for every player in football. You cannot use any body part (except upperbody excluding arms) to prevent movement towards the ball. Sorry dude, I am watching all the commentaries and everyone agrees on the foul. Commentors in England may disagree but we all know they will have bias.

 

[nagger]

Originally posted by: spherrod
I couldn't take the tension last night - had to go for a walk. Still, in the cold light of day Portgual deserved the win but the ref had a shocker. The linesman allowed Sol Campbell's goal and the ref who could not possibly see it overruled him. From what I've seen Terry is standing his ground an jumping for the ball, Ricardo is flapping hopelessly and Campbell powers the ball home.

You have to go and see about your eye problems, in that play there's at least 3 fouls commited by english players inside the portuguese area, with the least important one being John Terry's elbow across Ricardo's face so this goal was disallowed.

Originally posted by: spherrod
Couple this with his consitently biased decisions towards Portugal and he should be taken off the UEFA list of referees.

Yeah he was bias, wearing a three lions shirt all game long. Terry, Cole and Gary Neville should have been sent off for several professional fouls and the referee let them continue hitting portuguese players with anything they had (elbows, grabing portuguese shirts, kicking portuguese players in the ground, etc).

Portugal deserved this win, we played better than England, we had more scoring chances, we won more possession of the ball, passed the ball better, had more recoveries and more tackles won.

Although England is always my second team in every championship it was unfortunate that they had to face Portugal in the quarter finals. I was hoping to meet the French so we could get even at our exit in the 2000 Championship.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: nagger
Yeah he was bias, wearing a three lions shirt all game long

what game were you watching?

 

[spherrod]

I'm not disputing that Portgual were the better team - they outplayed England and deserved the victory but the referee was clearly not up to a game of this level and bottled several decisions