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sandorski

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Originally posted by: Aquaman
I may have to change it to Flames because Churchs Fried Chicken has a coupon for 1 free peice if the flames win

Cheers,
Aquaman

Hehe, Go Chicken!
 

acemcmac

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WTH is up with this MASSIVE freaking THREAD!!!

Im on the biggest possible viewing setting and this is page 58!!!!

NOTHING IS WORTH GETTING THIS EXITED ABOUT! MOVE ALONG PEOPLE! STOP RUBBERKNECKING
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: acemcmac
WTH is up with this MASSIVE freaking THREAD!!!

Im on the biggest possible viewing setting and this is page 58!!!!

NOTHING IS WORTH GETTING THIS EXITED ABOUT! MOVE ALONG PEOPLE! STOP RUBBERKNECKING

1 day you'll see the light.
 

Aquaman

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: acemcmac
WTH is up with this MASSIVE freaking THREAD!!!

Im on the biggest possible viewing setting and this is page 58!!!!

NOTHING IS WORTH GETTING THIS EXITED ABOUT! MOVE ALONG PEOPLE! STOP RUBBERKNECKING

1 day you'll see the light.

It's a discruntaled Flyers fan

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

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Former Canucks GM Burke goes 'OTR'

TSN.ca Staff
5/27/2004

Former Vancouver Canucks general manager Brian Burke reflected on his career thus far and offered up some candid thoughts on the direction of the National Hockey League and the Players' Association in a one-on-one interview with Michael Landsberg on TSN's Off the Record on Thursday.

To watch the entire episode of Off the Record, click here.

The Canucks decided not to re-sign Burke at the end of the season, opting to appoint Dave Nonis as the team's new general manager. No specific reasons were given for Burke's dismissal, something he felt Orca Bay management owed to fans in Vancouver.

"I think fans are entitled to more of an explanation," said Burke. "I think the unwillingness to go there was to not start a public debate with someone who I think would have (in my case) refuted anything that they offered in that way. If the employee talks about it, it would sound like whining and bellyaching, and I'm not going to do that."

Vancouver finished with a 43-24-20-5 record but was knocked out in the first round of the playoffs by the Calgary Flames. With Burke riding herd on the budget while managing to re-sign key players, Vancouver made the playoffs for the last four years. The team's payroll this year was about $43 million US.

"Our job was to win games and make money and we did that," said Burke. "I'm comfortable with the job I did there, I'm comfortable with the building plan we had going in, I'm comfortable that Dave Nonis has been left with a good team that's going to remain competitive for a long time. There were no short-cuts, free-agent signing and no band-aids. I'm comfortable and I will take that same blueprint to my next job."

It was also a season that had turned sour when star power forward Todd Bertuzzi was suspended for attacking Colorado's Steve Moore, an incident that Burke thought brought out the best and worst in the media.

"I didn't blame the media for what Todd did," said Burke. "What I objected to was the villification of Todd Bertuzzi - not focusing on the incident and the all-out attacks...sending a camera crew out to his house and harrassing his family. He's a hockey player, go get him at the rink. They interviewed the next door neighbour's kid."

Burke first joined the Canucks in 1987 when he was named vice-president and director of hockey operations. Pat Quinn was Vancouver president and GM at the time.

He left the Canucks in 1992 to serve as GM of the Hartford Whalers. He joined the NHL front office in September 1993 as senior vice-president and director of hockey operations and spent five years with the league.

While working in the NHL front office, Burke also helped table the current collective bargaining agreement between the league and the player's association, something he feels needs to be fixed with the ongoing discussions between the two sides.

"You can't fault the players," said Burke. "When you negotiate with a player, they don't come in with a gun. We give them the money. That doesn't mean that the system doesn't need re-fixing. In Vancouver, we managed to put together an entertaining team at a good price and keep our payroll where it should be. There's no guarantee we could continue to do that and keep the team competitive. And it shouldn't be that way. There should be a system where you can have that success with managerial expertise without losing your team."

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

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Originally posted by: oldfoof
I am soo , excited CAnt wait till tomorrow. Calgary going DOWN

ha ha calgary is in the cup and you're not
 

Aquaman

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Canucks tweak front office

Canadian Press
6/7/2004

VANCOUVER (CP) - The Vancouver Canucks continued to tweak their front office Monday as the NHL team named Stan Smyl director of player development, Bob Murray director of player personnel and extended the contract of scout Lucien DeBlois.

The moves come a month after general manager Brian Burke's contract was not renewed and the Canucks promoted Dave Nonis to the position.

``We feel very confident with Stan, Bob and Lucien that we can continue to develop and identify players who will help our hockey club,'' said Nonis. ``All three men are very familiar with our organization and have many years of experience in all areas of the game.''

The Canucks won the Northwest Division title this season with a 43-24-20-5 record. They were eliminated from the first round of the playoffs by the Calgary Flames.

Smyl, 46, has spent his entire 26-year professional hockey career with the Canucks organization as a player and coach. He spent the past three seasons as head coach of the Canucks' American Hockey League affiliate, the Manitoba Moose.

In his new role, Smyl will be responsible for working with drafted and entry level players as well as pro scouting assignments. Since retiring on July 3, 1991 as the Canucks all-time leader in games played, goals and points, Smyl has been a member of the coaching staff both at the NHL and minor league level.

Murray was originally hired as a scout in 2000. He was the director of player personnel with the Chicago Blackhawks between 1991-1995. He takes on a role formerly held by Steve Tambellini, who was shifted to assistant GM last month.

DeBlois, who joined the Canucks prior to the start of the 2003-04 season, spent 15 seasons in the NHL as a player with six different teams, winning the Stanley Cup with the Montreal Canadiens in 1985-86.

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Aquaman
 

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Players meet, still won't accept cap

Canadian Press
6/11/2004

TORONTO (CP) - The only cracks in the NHL Players' Association were in the sandwiches set out during a buffet luncheon as North American members wound up two days of annual meetings Friday.

With the collective bargaining agreement with the league to expire Sept. 15, talk of a possible lockout by the 30 club owners was a main topic of conversation, and it was obvious that solidarity was intact.

There were 167 players at the Royal York Hotel sessions, and another 75 are expected when European players gather next month. These were the first full association meetings since it made proposals to the NHL last Oct. 1.

``We broke off into small groups so we could have some more in-depth discussion, in groups of 10 to 12 guys,'' association president Trevor Linden, the Vancouver Canucks forward, said in an interview in describing the meetings. ``I had a lot of guys say they were surprised at how much we offered Oct. 1.

``They were surprised we went ahead and offered a five-per-cent rollback (in salaries) and changes to the entry-level (salaries) and a luxury tax. There were a lot of guys who were concerned with how far we went and they certainly feel we've really tried hard to have a negotiation.''

The players are going to stick to their guns, he said.

``Any time you deal with 700 players, there are a lot of different opinions but hockey players showed in '94 they'll stick together,'' said Linden. ``Hockey players have shown they're fair, too, if there is a solution in the middle somewhere but they're willing to fight for what they believe in.''

A lockout in 1994-95 reduced the number of games played to 48 from the usual 82. The worry this time is that at least a full season could be lost.

``We have listened to the issues they have and we feel we have addressed their issues and have made an attempt to bridge the gap,'' Linden said of the NHL's position. ``We've worked pretty hard at doing that.

``We feel like we've taken their issues and dealt with them and put in a plan that would solve the problems. But we are not going to talk about a hard cap system, and that's what we've kept getting shown to us.''

Linden said his organization is serious about fighting a had salary cap system.

``The players are prepared to talk about a market-based system,'' said Linden. ``That's what we're committed to. I think, definitely, guys are very adamant about what we believe in.''

Still, the membership is frustrated, he said. No talks with the NHL are scheduled at this time.

``We've worked hard at it but the fact is this isn't a negotiation right now,'' said Linden. ``It's basically a take-it-or-leave-it situation.''

Linden and Ted Saskin, senior NHLPA director for business affairs and licensing, wouldn't go into specifics about their proposed luxury tax.

``I'm not going to get into details but they had an issue with five or six teams that were, in their mind, spending too much money and we put forth a luxury tax system that would take funds from teams that were in that category and funnel that money back to the lower-revenue teams,'' said Linden. ``Our system of revenue sharing and our luxury tax system would generate close to $200 million (US) that would have been dispersed to lower-revenue teams and would have made a huge difference to those teams, and it was at a level that was probably a lot lower than you think.''

A report done for the league during the winter stated combined losses for teams were $273 million US for a single season.

Had the NHLPA proposal been accepted, ``They would have seen a significant change in their bottom line. We offered to do that a year before we had to. They would have had a year of effect already but we didn't get our proposal through. We were handed one piece of paper so the message was pretty clear.''

Added Saskin: ``It was very clear at the end of the day that they're far too committed to only one option and one solution in their mind, which is the cap, and that is not something that is going to lead to an agreement.''

Meanwhile, players are beginning to look to Europe or a reborn World Hockey Association, which has plans to begin operations this year, as possible outlets to continue playing if the NHL is shut down.

``Guys are more educated, more informed,'' said Linden. ``Guys are making plans.

``In '94, I made the mistake of staying by the phone. This time, I think guys will get on with their lives, whether that's playing in Europe, or playing in the WHA, being a full-time dad or going back to school or whatever. I think guys will be more prepared than they were in '94.''

Neither side is bending in what the NHLPA membership views as a one-issue stalemate.

``Certainly the NHL has positioned itself as such because they're not prepared to talk about anything other than a salary cap,'' said Saskin. ``They've made it a single issue.

``We're open to discussing a lot of different ways that you can address their stated concerns but it has to be in the context of the marketplace. For us, it's a single issue only because they've made the single issue the salary cap, which is a non-starter for us.''

Bill Daly, executive vice-president and chief legal officer of the NHL, reacted to the comments by saying the NHLPA ``has again mischaracterized the negotiation process and the proposals that were offered on both sides.''

``Self-serving and misleading rhetoric will not further the process and will not address the problems confronting the league,'' Daly said from New York in an interview.

He accused the association of engaging in ``a campaign of misinformation regarding both the history of these negotiations and the current state of the league.''

The league first approached the association five years ago suggesting there were serious economic problems and that modifications were urgently needed because the problems would only worsen if not dealt with, said Daly.

``So, when I hear that the league is not willing to negotiate, and that it's a take-it-or-leave-it situation, it is obvious to me the union is not telling people the full story.''

If the NHLPA is so confident the adjustments they proposed will work, they should guarantee the results, he said.

``That's what we asked them to do and they refused,'' said Daly. ``I guess guarantees are only acceptable when they are used to guarantee player compensation.''

What the association calls a salary cap, the NHL calls a partnership.

``I wish they would explain to me, just once, why that's a bad thing,'' said Daly. ``Why doesn't that work for them?''

A system that entitles the players to 75 per cent of the revenue the industry generates just doesn't work, Daly added.

``The union is the party responsible for making this a one-issue negotiation. We've offered a variety of options for cost certainty and they have accepted none. All they have offered are Band-Aid changes to the status quo - a system that is so seriously flawed it can no longer be maintained. That's not what I call a willingness to negotiate.''

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Free agent Umberger signs with Flyers

TSN.ca Staff
6/14/2004

R.J. Umberger, a former first round pick by the Vancouver Canucks, has signed as a free agent with the Philadelphia Flyers, TSN has learned.

Umberger, a centre who played three years at Ohio State University, left school last summer with the aim of turning pro with the Canucks. But when he couldn't come to terms on a contract with Vancouver, he ended up not playing last season.

At the trade deadline, Vancouver traded his rights to the New York Rangers. When the Rangers did not sign him by June 1, Umberger became an unrestricted free agent. The Rangers received a compensatory second round pick for allowing Umberger to go to unrestricted free agency.

Sources say a number of teams were interested in Umberger and that he whittled his choices down to Philadelphia and Toronto, ultimately deciding to sign with the Flyers. Sources say Umberger will receive the rookie salary cap, which covers salary and signing bonus, plus a bonus schedule that could bring his total compensation to about $1.5 million annually if he were to max out on the bonuses.

A formal announcement is expected by the Flyers on Tuesday.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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MAn.......... I am missing hockey so much ............ they better not have a lock out :| :| :|

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

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Aquaman, you need to get to the beach and find yourself a women! Summer is not for hockey! Even I, as a Canadian, can wait until fall!
 

Aquaman

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Originally posted by: Sealy
Aquaman, you need to get to the beach and find yourself a women! Summer is not for hockey! Even I, as a Canadian, can wait until fall!

How true

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Sealy
Aquaman, you need to get to the beach and find yourself a women! Summer is not for hockey! Even I, as a Canadian, can wait until fall!

Are there that many siamese twins in Vancouver?

Sorry, couldn't help it.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Aquaman
MAn.......... I am missing hockey so much ............ they better not have a lock out :| :| :|

Cheers,
Aquaman

I hear ya. Oh well, should be some good International hockey in 1.5ish months.
 

Aquaman

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Burke joins TSN to cover NHL Draft

TSN.ca Staff
6/23/2004

Former Vancouver Canucks President and General Manager Brian Burke has joined TSN as part of the networks coverage of the 2004 NHL Entry Draft on Saturday, June 26 at 12 noon ET.

Burke will be on-site from the RBC Center in Raleigh, N.C., to offer his perspective on the days transactions alongside TSN hockey experts Pierre McGuire, Bob McKenzie and Gord Miller. Burke will also contribute to SportsCentres coverage of the NHL Entry Draft.

I look forward to speaking my mind on the days transactions, said Burke. This will be a different experience from past drafts Ive attended as a GM. This time around, I will be able to objectively break down and analyze the choices and manoeuvres of my former colleagues.

Brian has been a major player at past drafts, having made deals on the floor to get Chris Pronger for Hartford and the Sedin brothers in Vancouver, said Mark Milliere, Executive Producer of News & NHL on TSN. Brian brings a GMs expertise and experience to the broadcast.

NHL Network will simulcast the 2004 NHL Entry Draft on Saturday, June 26 at 12 noon ET. The simulcast is the highlight of NHL Networks NHL Draft Week theme programming from June 21 to 27.

A Harvard Law School graduate, Burkes extensive NHL resume includes working with the Canucks on two separate occasions - as Assistant GM from 1987 to 1992, and as President and GM from 1998 to 2004. Burke also served as GM for the Hartford Whalers during the 1992/93 season, and worked in the NHL front office as NHL Senior Vice-President and Director of Operations from 1993 to 1998. The Sporting News named Burke the NHLs Executive of the Year after the 2000/01 season.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Canucks make Cloutier qualifying offer

TSN.ca Staff
6/23/2004

The Vancouver Canucks have reportedly made a qualifying offer to goaltender Dan Cloutier.

The Team 1040 radio station in Vancouver reports that it is a $2.4 million US offer, and Cloutier will have until July 15 to accept it or go to arbitration.

Cloutier, 28, was set to become a restricted free agent on July 1. He posted a 33-21-6 record with Vancouver this season with a 2.27 goals-against average and five shutouts.

Cloutier was acquired from the Tampa Bay Lightning in 2001 and has a 101-65-23 record with the Canucks in four seasons.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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Bertuzzi charged for attack on Moore

Canadian Press
6/24/2004

VANCOUVER (CP) - Vancouver Canucks star Todd Bertuzzi was charged Thursday with assault causing bodily harm for his on-ice attack on Colorado Avalanche player Steve Moore that left Moore with neck injuries.

The charges were announced by the criminal justice branch of the Ministry of the Attorney General after an investigation that lasted four months.

The attack was witnessed by over 18,000 people at the arena and has been shown repeatedly in television clips broadcast across North America and Europe.

Bertuzzi has been ordered to appear in provincial court July 9.

The March 8 incident left Moore, 25, in hospital with three fractured vertebrae - two cervical vertebrae and a fracture of the transverse process in a thoracic vertebra - facial cuts, significant post-concussion symptoms and ``significant amnesia.''

Nerves in the neck area were also stretched by the blow.

Doctors say it's not known when, or if, the Windsor, Ont., native can play hockey again.

The National Hockey League suspended Bertuzzi, 29, for the final 13 games of the regular season and Vancouver's seven playoff games.

The suspension cost Bertuzzi $501,926.39 US of his $6.8-million salary. The Canucks were also fined $250,000.

Bertuzzi was also left off Team Canada's roster for this fall's World Cup.

His indefinite suspension won't be lifted until NHL commissioner Gary Bettman holds a hearing with the Canuck star. During a May 25 interview, Bettman gave no indication when that meeting might occur.

Bertuzzi's only public comment was a tearful apology two nights after the incident occurred.

``Steve, I just want to apologize for what happened out there,'' said the Sudbury, Ont., native. ``I had no intention of hurting you. I feel awful for what transpired.''

``I don't play the game that way,'' he added. ``I'm not a mean-spirited person. I'm sorry for what happened.''

Bertuzzi hired Len Doust, one of B.C.'s most high-profile counsels, to represent him.

During the game, with the Avs already leading 8-2, the six-foot-three, 235-pound Bertuzzi grabbed Moore from behind at 8:41 of the third period.

He sucker-punched the Avs forward on the side of his head and then landed on top of the six-foot-two, 205-pound Moore, driving his head into the ice.

The attack was seen as retaliation for a hit Moore put on Vancouver star Markus Naslund that left the Canuck captain with a concussion and sidelined him for three games.

There is precedent for a hockey player facing charges for his on-ice action.

Most recently Marty McSorely, then with the Boston Bruins, was charged with assault after bashing then-Canuck Donald Brashear with a stick to the head in February 2000.

McSorley was convicted of assault with a weapon and given an 18-month conditional discharge.

Bertuzzi had 17 goals, 43 assists and 122 penalty minutes in 69 games this season.

Moore, who has a degree in environmental sciences and public policy from Harvard, had five goals, seven assists and 27 penalty minutes in 57 games.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Aquaman

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History of criminal charges on ice

Canadian Press
6/24/2004

Vancouver Canucks star Todd Bertuzzi was charged Thursday with assault causing bodily harm for his on-ice attack on Colorado Avalanche player Steve Moore. Here is a look at some past NHL incidents that led to criminal charges:

- In 1988, Minnesota North Stars forward Dino Ciccarelli was convicted of assault for striking Toronto defenceman Luke Richardson several times in the head with his stick. Ciccarelli was sentenced to one day in jail and fined $1,000 Cdn.

- In 1982, Jets enforcer Jimmy Mann was fined $500 and given a suspended sentence in Winnipeg after being charged with assault for leaving the bench and hitting Paul Gardner of the Pittsburgh Penguins, breaking his jaw in two places.

- In 1977, Dave (Tiger) Williams, then with Toronto, was acquitted of assault for hitting Penguin Dennis Onchar with his stick in a game at Maple Leaf Gardens.

- In 1975, Dave Forbes of the Boston Bruins was charged with aggravated assault after a fight with Minnesota North Stars' Henry Boucha in 1975. The trial ended in a hung jury and the prosecutor then dropped the charges.

- In 1977, Dan Maloney of the Detroit Red Wings was acquitted the same year in Toronto of charges of assaulting Leaf defenceman Brian Glennie.

- In 1969, Wayne Maki of the St. Louis Blues and Ted Green of the Boston Bruins became the first NHL players hauled into court after a stick-swinging duel at a pre-season game in Ottawa. Green, who suffered a fractured skull, and Maki, who was not injured, were both acquitted of assault charges.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 
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