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GoodRevrnd

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While they'll slow down at this point, I should be able to keep getting peppers through the end of November. Also found a giant tomato hornworm on one of the plants that had eaten through 3 of the peppers. >:| Never actually had pests like that before.
 
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BoomerD

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While they'll slow down at this point, I should be able to keep getting peppers through the end of November. Also found a giant caterpillar on one of the plants that had eaten through 3 of the peppers. >:| Never actually had pests like that before.

The nasty tomato hornworm also loves peppers and pepper plants.

I picked a few snails off my jalapenos this morning...nasty fuckers.

I've still got a couple of tomato worms in my maters...I can see the evidence...I just can't find them.
 

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While they'll slow down at this point, I should be able to keep getting peppers through the end of November. Also found a giant caterpillar on one of the plants that had eaten through 3 of the peppers. >:| Never actually had pests like that before.

Nice. I should do something like that with my peppers. My maters and peppers made it through the frost but the taste isn't the same with the maters, they are still producing fruit as are the peppers, but the taste isn't "oh my god good", just "edible".
 

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The nasty tomato hornworm also loves peppers and pepper plants.

I picked a few snails off my jalapenos this morning...nasty fuckers.

I've still got a couple of tomato worms in my maters...I can see the evidence...I just can't find them.

Next year look into BT. Kills them dead. If you've got the hornworm, they overwinter in the soil. Marigolds and BT. Marigolds to keep the moths from landing, BT to kill the larvae.
 

BoomerD

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Next year look into BT. Kills them dead. If you've got the hornworm, they overwinter in the soil. Marigolds and BT. Marigolds to keep the moths from landing, BT to kill the larvae.

Around here, marigolds are snail and slug magnets. They rarely survive the first night after planting...
I was supposed to get some BT this year...but procrastinated and never got it done. Maybe next year...

I toss a couple of jalapenos on the grill every time we cook on it. I love the roasted flavor.
 

GoodRevrnd

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Marigolds are tough for me. They tend to die out or nearly die in the summer, though most of them have bounced back now. They were the sparsest/nonexistent by the Anaheim plants or course...

Makes me wonder how many more hornworms there are. I thought they tended to do full strip jobs of entire branches but I haven't had that on any plant. What I do have is holes and chomps out of nearly every leaf on the Anaheims. I was thinking this was mostly the work of leafcutter bees or something similar (I have observed small nearly colorless 1/3 size bee looking bugs chomp out holes in the plants and fly off) but I honestly have no idea.
 

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We have a forecast for lows of 37 and 32 coming up next week. I have a lot of green tomatoes on my plants (and quite a few that are just starting to turn). I think I'm supposed to pick them all before the temp drops that low (I'll probably pull them before the 37 comes) and put them in a paper bag, right? Is there any harm in leaving them on the vine and taking a chance? For what it's worth, I'll probably be using them to make crushed tomatoes for chili.

I also have spaghetti squash and green peppers. Do I need to pull all of those as well?

Here's the forecast - you can see it's only going to get to 32 one night then come back up... that's why I'm in my dilemma! http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/63304:4:US
 

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We have a forecast for lows of 37 and 34 coming up next week. I have a lot of green tomatoes on my plants (and quite a few that are just starting to turn). I think I'm supposed to pick them all before the temp drops that low (I'll probably pull them before the 37 comes) and put them in a paper bag, right? Is there any harm in leaving them on the vine and taking a chance? For what it's worth, I'll probably be using them to make crushed tomatoes for chili.

I also have spaghetti squash and green peppers. Do I need to pull all of those as well?

Here's the forecast - you can see it's only going to get to 34 for 2 nights then come back up... that's why I'm in my dilemma! http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/63304:4:US

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We have a forecast for lows of 37 and 32 coming up next week. I have a lot of green tomatoes on my plants (and quite a few that are just starting to turn). I think I'm supposed to pick them all before the temp drops that low (I'll probably pull them before the 37 comes) and put them in a paper bag, right? Is there any harm in leaving them on the vine and taking a chance? For what it's worth, I'll probably be using them to make crushed tomatoes for chili.

I also have spaghetti squash and green peppers. Do I need to pull all of those as well?

Here's the forecast - you can see it's only going to get to 32 one night then come back up... that's why I'm in my dilemma! http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/63304:4:US

I'm in the same situation as you. Still have plenty of green tomatoes. With this recent warm weather, I was able to ripen alot more to a nice red color. Not the same sweetness or juicyness as I was getting them to in the summer sun, but better than green tomatoes...

I don't see any harm in leaving the tomatoes on the vine as long as possible as long as you check on them frequently. I would still the check the garden once every 2 days or so because with the moist weather, the tomatoes are tending to rot on the vine. We've been getting heavy rains too, so I checked on the tomatoes once after 2-3 days of straight rain and the tomatoes seemed to have swollen and burst open. In addition, my plants are dying anyway so I'm getting alot of dropped tomatoes. I'm just trying to salvage and ripen as many as possible before the frost. If they do freeze, oh well, collect them and use as soon as possible, although they might be squishy

On the other hand, my eggplants are still growing, still have purple flowers on them and new fruit!
 

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I'm in the same situation as you. Still have plenty of green tomatoes. With this recent warm weather, I was able to ripen alot more to a nice red color. Not the same sweetness or juicyness as I was getting them to in the summer sun, but better than green tomatoes...

I don't see any harm in leaving the tomatoes on the vine as long as possible as long as you check on them frequently. I would still the check the garden once every 2 days or so because with the moist weather, the tomatoes are tending to rot on the vine. We've been getting heavy rains too, so I checked on the tomatoes once after 2-3 days of straight rain and the tomatoes seemed to have swollen and burst open. In addition, my plants are dying anyway so I'm getting alot of dropped tomatoes. I'm just trying to salvage and ripen as many as possible before the frost. If they do freeze, oh well, collect them and use as soon as possible, although they might be squishy

On the other hand, my eggplants are still growing, still have purple flowers on them and new fruit!

If they do freeze and they're green, will they still ripen? I don't really care if they're squishy, as I'm just goig to freeze them anyways to save for sauce.
 

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If they do freeze and they're green, will they still ripen? I don't really care if they're squishy, as I'm just goig to freeze them anyways to save for sauce.

I'm almost positive that once they freeze, the fruit becomes damaged and will die soon. If you do notice frozen fruit on the vine, you need to bring it in and use it or else it will rot. I have plenty of green tomatoes that I know I wont be able to ripen so I'm going to try a recipe for green tomato relish I found on the web.
 

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Well crap...it's supposed to get down to 30-31 tonight. That will probably spell the end of my tomatoes and peppers.
Not many ripe tomatoes with the colder weather. I still have a few in the process of ripening...but very slowly. I have jalapenos, serranos, and fresno peppers coming out my ears...and the bushes are still covered in blooms.
I have a couple of neighbors who eat them, so they won't go to waste. I'll freeze some and give the rest away.
I was going to try to can some of them, but it takes a pressure canner and I don't own one...and not going to buy one for no more than we'd use it.

Ah well, March will be here soon enough...and I can start this all over again.
 

GoodRevrnd

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Haha my peppers are still chugging along too. I picked them all yesterday because there was a distinct freeze threat last night and made an uber batch of super pepper chili and roasted/froze or oven dried the rest. The cold sure has stunted their growth though.
 

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Well crap...it's supposed to get down to 30-31 tonight. That will probably spell the end of my tomatoes and peppers.
Not many ripe tomatoes with the colder weather. I still have a few in the process of ripening...but very slowly. I have jalapenos, serranos, and fresno peppers coming out my ears...and the bushes are still covered in blooms.
I have a couple of neighbors who eat them, so they won't go to waste. I'll freeze some and give the rest away.
I was going to try to can some of them, but it takes a pressure canner and I don't own one...and not going to buy one for no more than we'd use it.

Ah well, March will be here soon enough...and I can start this all over again.

You don't necessarily need a pressure canner. If you pickle the peppers in a preservative such as salt or vinegar based solution, then you don't need a pressure canner. You can get away with boiling the jars under water for the necessary amount of time. Now if you wanted to can them sitting in just water, then a pressure canner would probably be necessary.
 

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You don't necessarily need a pressure canner. If you pickle the peppers in a preservative such as salt or vinegar based solution, then you don't need a pressure canner. You can get away with boiling the jars under water for the necessary amount of time. Now if you wanted to can them sitting in just water, then a pressure canner would probably be necessary.

Yeah, I don't like "pickled peppers." (Peter Piper can kiss my fat white ass)

I did quite a bit of research on this. Because they're a "low acid" product, the only way to properly can peppers without pickling is with a pressure canner.
 
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GoodRevrnd

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Will my pepper plants grow back and be healthy and fruit if the frost killed all the leaves but the plant is still alive and I just cut it back?
 

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Will my pepper plants grow back and be healthy and fruit if the frost killed all the leaves but the plant is still alive and I just cut it back?

Best answer is maybe. It depends on your climate...but IME, no. You'll have to replant in the spring.

Here's some information that may prove helpful:

http://www.hotpepperseeds.com/OverWinteringPeppers.asp

Overwintering Peppers
Overwintering Peppers - How to Successfully Overwinter Hot Pepper Plants!

Most people are not aware that peppers are actually perennials! The reason they are usually grown as annuals is because the winter temperatures in most places will kill them. They are semi-tropical plants, and just cannot handle cold weather. However, it is possible to keep a pepper plant alive for several years, via a technique known as "overwintering".
Overwintering is a method of providing a pepper with the proper growing conditions to keep it alive and thriving during the cold winter months.

What are the benefits of overwintering? It can allow you to...

Amaze your friends by enjoying fresh home-grown peppers in the middle of winter!
Use a colorful pepper plant as a holiday decoration!
Grow a much larger pepper plant than would be possible in just one year
Get a hugh crop of peppers from a second-year plant
Get a head start on next season
Get a crop in early spring, while your friends are still trying to get their seedlings going!
Grow a very long-season pepper (like some of the South American varieties)
Grow a rare or favorite pepper plant for several years

How To Overwinter Peppers:

So, how exactly can you do this?
One thing that a pepper plant needs to survive during the winter is warmth, so the first thing that you need to do is to move your pepper plant someplace out of the cold, such as indoors to a sunroom or conservatory, kitchen, living room, etc., or somewhere else that is warm and protected from the cold winter temperatures. The general rule of thumb is, if the temperature is comfortable for you, it should be comfortable for your pepper plants as well.

Next, a pepper plant needs sunlight, so be sure that you located it somewhere where it can get some sunlight, such as near a sunny window.

Lastly, a pepper plant needs water and fertilizer, so make sure that you water and fertilize your plant regularly (see the tips section below for more specifics on fertilizing).


Some Peppers Are Easier

In experimenting with overwintering, you will quickly discover that some pepper varieties are much easier to overwinter than others. We have observed three different ways that peppers can respond to being overwintered -
Some pepper varieties, such as Habaneros, can not only be overwintered successfully, they may continue to produce new peppers for you all during the winter months!
Other peppers, such as Cayenne Pepper, can be overwintered easily, but may react to the change in season by going into a semi-dormant state - looking much like a healthy houseplant, but not producing any flowers or peppers over the winter. Once spring hits, you can suddenly see a burst of new growth, flowers and peppers as the pepper plant "wakes up" from it's hibernation!
Some pepper varieties, such as Jalapenos, just don't seem to like the winter, and can be more difficult to overwinter successfully. You shouldn't get discouraged if some of your peppers don't do well on your first attempt, some are just harder than others.

TIPS:

Following are special growing tips for overwintering peppers:
Start any peppers that you might want to overwinter in containers. While it is possible to dig-up a pepper plant from the garden and re-plant it into a container, you are likely to cause at least some damage to the plant's roots in the process. By growing your pepper plants in containers, it will make it a lot easier to overwinter them later!
While some people prefer fancy (and expensive) grow lights for overwintering, we have noticed that light from a sunny window typically provides enough sunlight for peppers over the winter. An East-facing window seems to do the best.
Don't place your pepper plants directly in the windowsill if the glass gets very cold, in order to keep from freezing the plants out, but instead put them near the window where they can catch the incoming sunlight.
If you have to use artificial light (such as in a heated basement), use either grow lights or fluorescent lights. Light bulbs (incandescent lights) do not provide the proper kind of light spectrum for pepper plants, and can burn them.
If some of the plant's leaves start turning yellow or falling off after it is moved, this is a normal reaction to the reduced sunlight and change of season. The plant should perk up once it gets used to it's new growing environment.
Finally, a secret tip just for our readers...

For peppers, you normally want to use a fertilizer that is higher in Phosphorus than Nitrogen (i.e. - the second # is higher than the first). The reason for this is that too much Nitrogen can result in a pepper plant that is very green and bushy, but with very few peppers!

However, we have discovered that by reversing this approach and feeding a pepper during the winter with a fertilizer that has as much or more Nitrogen (i.e. - with the first # the same or a bit higher than the second), rather than just surviving the winter, you can actually encourage the plant to go into a "vegetative growth" state over the winter months, producing new stems, more leaves, and a much larger pepper plant! Then, when spring hits, you can switch back, and your larger, leafier plant will now be able to produce many more peppers!

We tried-out this approach one winter with some Orange Habaneros, using a liquid fertilizer with a little more Nitrogen than Phosphorus (which also allowed our plants to continue to provide us with habaneros over Christmas) and the results were fantastic!
 
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GoodRevrnd

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Best answer is maybe. It depends on your climate...but IME, no. You'll have to replant in the spring.

Here's some information that may prove helpful:

http://www.hotpepperseeds.com/OverWinteringPeppers.asp

Las Vegas.

Edit: Whoops, updates. So much for that then. They do so much better in the ground and watering is way easier so "winterizing" them isn't really worth it. If only I could get them to survive the 5 frickin days of frost per year. Oh well.
 
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BoomerD

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Edit: Whoops, updates. So much for that then. They do so much better in the ground and watering is way easier so "winterizing" them isn't really worth it. If only I could get them to survive the 5 frickin days of frost per year. Oh well.


Getting them to survive the frost isn't hard...you use frost blankets.
 

GoodRevrnd

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I planted some winter vegetables. The beets were a massive flop. The kale, chard and arugula have all been doing awesome though. I noticed bugs seem to have no interest in arugula whatsoever. Thinking of just throwing seed down over the whole bed in the spring wondering if it would help with insect control, as well as maybe help hold back blight on the tomatoes.
 

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As hot as this past summer was, I decided to try to grow some veggies inside, with sunlight (warmer days) and grow lights. So far, the tomato varieties and the pepper plants I planted have thrived, and I've had mixed success with onions and carrots (grown in 5 gallon buckets of soil), as well as spinach and lettuce (hey, gotta have that to make a salad, right?).

Here's some pictures of what's growing, so far.

Bell peppers! These are the first two I got to sprout, and are the biggest (so far). To pollinate them, I use a trusty old Q-tip swab (which you can see in the picture). Just swish it around in each blossom, as it opens up!


Four more peppers, on the same plant. The other plant (I have two this size) is a little behind on putting out blossoms, but this plant has become a pepper growing monster, for it's smaller size!


Cherry tomato. First one on that plant. I'm thinking it's time to start pruning the top end of the plants (as they've grown ~4' tall, or so), to encourage them to fill out, and produce more blossoms. I'm using the Q-tip trick for the tomatoes too, but not sure if it's as effective.


Jellybean tomatoes (with some of my wintering cactus in the background). Again, need to prune it back, to encourage more filling out. Otherwise, I believe this plant would start to resemble a "wandering jew" plant, by the end of winter!

I'm also experimenting with my own version of a "Window Farm", borrowing an idea from windowfarms.org. They're an organization that's showing people how to do hydroponic urban farming, in their window(s). More on that, once it takes off (or dies! LOL).
 
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