*Official* Venice Core Price Guide *semi-updated 4/27*

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Sparco only goes on what AMD tells them. If you want to get pissed at anyone, get pissed at AMD. They're the liars.

I agree that AMD is ultimately responsible,and my anger is somewhat misplaced.
But that doesn't excuze the dishonesty displayed by Sparco. I like many others called to verify availability, and I was told "they will be in today or tomorrow, no doubt". And when I inquired about which # my order was they said "don't worry we've got 150 3700's coming in the first shipment and only 100 sold so far".

And to believe that these folk's don't know whats going on is silly. It's to easy to be honest and say "We dropship from the distributor, and all we can tell you is that we have not been notified of their arrival at the distributor" "The ETA per the distributor is".

 

[Aisengard]

I'm sorry you feel that way about a product that no one has yet anyway. I don't see how Sparco was dishonest. Since AMD assured them that 150 3700's would arrive by the next day, don't you think you as a distributor would say so? It's not dishonesty. You can be sure that Monarch Computer has 0 of these things in stock, otherwise they'd have shipped out already. I wouldn't be surprised if Monarch has to move back even their conservative dates because AMD hasn't delivered.

 

[GlobalHPSJoe]

Originally posted by: cyburzaki

Originally posted by: MonarchJoe
News!

Here's the latest I have.

120208 which is the 3800+ 512k Rev E. = 4/28
120209 which is the 4000+ 1 meg Rev E. = 4/30
120206 which is the 3500+ 512k Rev E. = 4/27

We are having plenty of these cpus arriving, so pre-orders plus new orders should be fine without delays. As always, if I hear anything else I'll keep you guys posted.

Joe (Item code 000229)

Ah, sweet music!! That's great to hear these chips aren't phantoms, but really in the pipeline now. I've had three dealings with Monarch in the last four months, and have to say each transaction was exemplary, and I couldn't be any happier with the service I got (including one mid-flight order revision that was performed cheerfully and ungrudgingly by the sales guys). But I didn't realize Monarch sales reps had item numbers too. At first I thought you were kidding, but a search of the website for 000229 returned this:

sales rep 229

Quantity in Basket: none
Code: 000229
Price: $0.00
Shipping Weight: 0.00 pounds
In Stock - Usually ships in 1-2 days

haha! do all the reps there have their own item number?

Actually yes, thats how they put in their orders. (I'm not in sales myself, but I will do some sales on occasion)

 

[GlobalHPSJoe]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
I'm sorry you feel that way about a product that no one has yet anyway. I don't see how Sparco was dishonest. Since AMD assured them that 150 3700's would arrive by the next day, don't you think you as a distributor would say so? It's not dishonesty. You can be sure that Monarch Computer has 0 of these things in stock, otherwise they'd have shipped out already. I wouldn't be surprised if Monarch has to move back even their conservative dates because AMD hasn't delivered.

Well, I'm not trying to blast any other company, I'm sure they were trying to do their best... but we're an AMD launch partner, and if shipment hasn't been done yet to us I'm not sure how anyone could say that oh yes, we're getting them tommorrow.

Now, at this point I cannot guarantee arrival, that I will do once I see tracking information. (And trust me, I will keep everyone posted)

 

[Leper Messiah]

thanks for the updates monarchjoe. OP has been updated with the new info.

 

[Aisengard]

Sorry, MonarchJoe, that wasn't aimed at you.

I do have a question, though. Why are the boxed processors set to ship so much later than the OEM ones? Wouldn't AMD ship the boxed processors first?

 

[GlobalHPSJoe]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Sorry, MonarchJoe, that wasn't aimed at you.

I do have a question, though. Why are the boxed processors set to ship so much later than the OEM ones? Wouldn't AMD ship the boxed processors first?

Historically we have received the OEM chips before retail boxed versions. I guess it is to get them OEMs out to system builders prior to the retail getting out to market. But of course, its all moot because we can all buy OEM parts nowadays.

 

[dng29]

what's the difference between the oem and retail besides the 3 yr warranty from amd? are the oem ones just so so processors and retail ones are good yields? i'm thinking of getting the 3500+ oem rev. e since i already have an xp-120. what's the latest status please. i read in xtremesys forum that this guy got an email saying his 3700+ rev. e was shipped. any truth to that?

 

[alk3997]

MonarchJoe, first it is great that you are on this forum.

I recently ordered a 3800+ Retail Venice (ADA3800BPBOX) through Monarch. Do you know if I'll be in the first shipment? Based on past history is there a good chance for the May 2nd ship date to hold?

Andy

 

[GlobalHPSJoe]

Originally posted by: dng29
what's the difference between the oem and retail besides the 3 yr warranty from amd? are the oem ones just so so processors and retail ones are good yields? i'm thinking of getting the 3500+ oem rev. e since i already have an xp-120. what's the latest status please. i read in xtremesys forum that this guy got an email saying his 3700+ rev. e was shipped. any truth to that?

OEM's come in on a tray without any manufactuer warranty or heatsink fan. Quality of chip from my own past history doesn't have much to do with what ends up retail box or OEM. (I personally have always bought OEM cpus, and just got a Sempron 3100+ OEM myself) We give a 60 day warranty through us, and you can go up further from that. (Out to three years)

I'd honestly ask the guy to show proof as far as the 3700+ rev E. goes, because I haven't seen anything yet and haven't heard any further updates since yesterday.

 

[GlobalHPSJoe]

Originally posted by: alk3997
MonarchJoe, first it is great that you are on this forum.

I recently ordered a 3800+ Retail Venice (ADA3800BPBOX) through Monarch. Do you know if I'll be in the first shipment? Based on past history is there a good chance for the May 2nd ship date to hold?

Andy

We have enough coming in to cover all the pre-orders so far and thensome. AMD is usually pretty good on the dates, so I would say at this time you should be good to go at that date. Obviously it may change, and if I hear anything to differ, the website and this forum will be updated.

 

[rizorith]

Originally posted by: MonarchJoe

Originally posted by: dng29
what's the difference between the oem and retail besides the 3 yr warranty from amd? are the oem ones just so so processors and retail ones are good yields? i'm thinking of getting the 3500+ oem rev. e since i already have an xp-120. what's the latest status please. i read in xtremesys forum that this guy got an email saying his 3700+ rev. e was shipped. any truth to that?

OEM's come in on a tray without any manufactuer warranty or heatsink fan. Quality of chip from my own past history doesn't have much to do with what ends up retail box or OEM. (I personally have always bought OEM cpus, and just got a Sempron 3100+ OEM myself) We give a 60 day warranty through us, and you can go up further from that. (Out to three years)

I'd honestly ask the guy to show proof as far as the 3700+ rev E. goes, because I haven't seen anything yet and haven't heard any further updates since yesterday.

Are the 3200+ rev. e still expected to ship on may 6th? I ordered one from you guys last week but I keep hearing new dates all over the place.

 

[dng29]

here's the link to xtremesys thread

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-59521-p-4.html

his post is further down the bottom. i can't decide whether i want the 3500+ oem or the 3700+ oem. both have the same multi of x11, except the 3700+ has 1MB cache. btw, the price on the 3700+ went up to 334$ from 329$ right? it would suck if the 3500+ oc better than the 3700+ . man i can't decide, but i need a cpu badly . also why is the 3500+ available before the 3700+?

 

[Duvie]

This may all be moot for me anyways if AMD may be pusing up the launch of the dual core chips....It appears they dont seem to be in a rush to push the core revision of the venice and san diego. Something I have been weary of from the beginning was with LITTLE CHANGE in performance they may try to launch as current supplies dwindle...That appears to be a possible cause of this everlong waiting...Mya lso be their push to fous on getting X2 chips to oems earlier...

 

[dng29]

Originally posted by: Duvie
This may all be moot for me anyways if AMD may be pusing up the launch of the dual core chips....It appears they dont seem to be in a rush to push the core revision of the venice and san diego. Something I have been weary of from the beginning was with LITTLE CHANGE in performance they may try to launch as current supplies dwindle...That appears to be a possible cause of this everlong waiting...Mya lso be their push to fous on getting X2 chips to oems earlier...

you got a valid point there. i was also thinking of the same thing. amd is strategizing on something more important to compete with intel. they assume the avg. joe won't know the difference between a rev. e venice 3200+ vs. a winnie 3200+. amd can careless about us enthusiasts and that's too bad. we're the ones that make amd famous here. give us a break amd. if anyone here from amd read this, talk to you pr or marketing people . thanks.

 

[Solema]

I still am not holding my breath that AMD is pushing up the Dual-Core launch. If anything it'll be another paper launch like Intel, AMD, ATI, and Nvidia always do.

 

[bob661]

I guess the correct term would be "Paper Shipping Date"

I wouldn't call it that either. Just because AMD says that they shipped CPU's on April 4th doesn't mean that's the date that you and I will get them. AMD and Intel ship to distributors not to consumers.

 

[ao]

I'm in the same boat as you dng29. I was originally planning on getting the 3500+ rev. e, but then I changed my mind and decided to order the 3700+ rev. e. My new rig is going to be air-cooled, so I don't really know how much I'll be able to push it. Do you guys think I made a wise move to go with the 3700+? I still have time to cancel my order and get the 3500+. Someone knowledgeable in such things please advise me .

 

[bob661]

My wife needs a system upgrade. Maybe I can get one of those SD cores and give her my 3500. Hmmm. Is there still a 250MHz OC limit on the Asus SLI boards?

 

[Hummercash]

i still have my order @ sparco... thinking about canceling that and ordering from monarch. does anyone know how monarch's 3 year extended warranty is?

also, any suggestions on a good heatsink/fan for the 3700+ SD? i don't plan on OCing too high... maybe even not at all to begin with. i think ill see a nice jump in performance just running stock since ill be coming from a 1.4ghz tbird. after a few months i might want to OC and get some extra speed outta it though.

thanks.


.//chris

 

[ao]

Originally posted by: bob661
My wife needs a system upgrade. Maybe I can get one of those SD cores and give her my 3500. Hmmm. Is there still a 250MHz OC limit on the Asus SLI boards?

I hope that you're kidding about the 250 wall because I just ordered this board for my new rig and I was planning on OCing it to 300 or more .

 

[Solema]

Originally posted by: ao

Originally posted by: bob661
My wife needs a system upgrade. Maybe I can get one of those SD cores and give her my 3500. Hmmm. Is there still a 250MHz OC limit on the Asus SLI boards?

I hope that you're kidding about the 250 wall because I just ordered this board for my new rig and I was planning on OCing it to 300 or more .

I hope you're kidding about planning on OC'ing it to 300 or more. If you're not, you should have done some research on the board. It has the worst OC ability out of any of the SLI boards and a definite hard limit of 250FSB if you're lucky to even get that.

 

[hippotautamus]

^That sucks lol

I know everyone is pushing the Venice and San Diego cores overclock potential, but realistically, can a 4000+ be expected to hit 2.8 or 3, even onliquid?
Overclocking gets harder, the further up the high end you travel.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: ao

Originally posted by: bob661
My wife needs a system upgrade. Maybe I can get one of those SD cores and give her my 3500. Hmmm. Is there still a 250MHz OC limit on the Asus SLI boards?

I hope that you're kidding about the 250 wall because I just ordered this board for my new rig and I was planning on OCing it to 300 or more .

I've had the A8N-SLI since Dec. There is still a wall for ramspeed at 1T at 250. more like 242 on my board. It hasn't been fixed with a bios yet, but the rumors are the next released bios will address this issue, who knows.

The good news is this doesn't prevent you from overclocking or running a high HTT. I can run HTT up to 325, and my everyday setting is at 290. Just use the memory dividers DDR333 or DDR266 to keep your ram under 240-250. And on A64's with the ondie memory controller high ram speeds provide very little performance increase.(few points in benchmarks or a couple of FPS in games) CPU speed is king and you can always get a higher clock using a memory divider because there is less stress on the memory controller. Thats why all the best overclocks on A64's are using a memory divider.
Unless your a competitive benchmarker or something the real world limitation of this problem is almost zero.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: hippotautamus
^That sucks lol

I know everyone is pushing the Venice and San Diego cores overclock potential, but realistically, can a 4000+ be expected to hit 2.8 or 3, even onliquid?
Overclocking gets harder, the further up the high end you travel.

the very few that have been tested all hit 2.8ghz and some right at 3.0ghz doorstep on air....water should get 3ghz for sure and vapo and others may hit 3.2-3.4ghz levels....