**OFFICIAL WAR THREAD** 7th Calvary fights off Iraqi attack; Bush seeks 75 billion for war

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Alistar7

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May 13, 2002
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Originally posted by: ThePresence
2 more incoming missiles intercepted by Patriots heading into Kuwait.

But our troops have advanced INTO Iraq, you mean he is actually targeting Kuwait??? I don't believe such propaganda...................
 

Alistar7

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May 13, 2002
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Originally posted by: burnedout
Just now heard Walter Rodgers' report from 3-7 CAV on CNN. Elements of that unit recently crossed the Euphrates river under fire. Heck of a report. Firefights all throughout the day yesterday. Got me all fired up. GO BIG GREEN MACHINE !

The 3rd infantry is adding another distinction of valor for themselves for their actions and heroics the last 48 hours......


We should tell them they are not respnsible for taking care of EVERYTHING, lol, but why stop them, they are on a roll.
 

Fencer128

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Alistar7

Lifer
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How appropriate Saddams last act may be releasing WMD on his own capital city, if the dumb ass citizens would get out of the way we could wrap this up before it gets nasty.
 

Kenazo

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Although if I was stuck in Saddamn's position I would feel entirely justified in using any and every means necessary to protect myself, if the iraqi's use those chemical weapons I think we'll see a lot more support from the nations who are currently in bitter opposition to this war, such as russia and france. My fear though would be that they will be shot not at the advancing american and british troops, who are prepared to deal w/ the threat of chemical warfare, but at the civilian populations of Israel, or even Iraq's own cities.
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: Kenazo
Although if I was stuck in Saddamn's position I would feel entirely justified in using any and every means necessary to protect myself, if the iraqi's use those chemical weapons I think we'll see a lot more support from the nations who are currently in bitter opposition to this war, such as russia and france. My fear though would be that they will be shot not at the advancing american and british troops, who are prepared to deal w/ the threat of chemical warfare, but at the civilian populations of Israel, or even Iraq's own cities.

He has used these while not in immdeiate personal danger, you can bet HE can justify their use for ANY reason he deems worthy....
 

Alistar7

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Dramatic shift in air war, planes will pursue targets of opportunity as well as providing more support for ground troops, in addition the amounts of sorties will intensify.....
 

MoobyTheGoldenCalf

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Originally posted by: Alistar7
6 GPS jamming locations found and destroyed....

Got a link please. Can't see it on the BBC as yet.

Andy

Was stated at the CENTCOM briefing.

He also said they had no effect and one of the locations was even destroyed using a GPS- guided missile. I guess the Iraqis will be asking the Russians for a refund...
 

Fencer128

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
2 more incoming missiles intercepted by Patriots heading into Kuwait.

Just got "Iraqi missile intercepted over Kuwait." from the BBC. Will post a link when I can. It only mentions a single missile?

Andy
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Originally posted by: Alistar7
6 GPS jamming locations found and destroyed....

Got a link please. Can't see it on the BBC as yet.

Andy

Was stated at the CENTCOM briefing.

He also said they had no effect and one of the locations was even destroyed using a GPS- guided missile. I guess the Iraqis will be asking the Russians for a refund...


Great sale on their part, if they work you don't have to worry about a refund, if they don't, well, same thing.........

 

MoobyTheGoldenCalf

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Originally posted by: Alistar7
6 GPS jamming locations found and destroyed....

Got a link please. Can't see it on the BBC as yet.

Andy

Was stated at the CENTCOM briefing.

He also said they had no effect and one of the locations was even destroyed using a GPS- guided missile. I guess the Iraqis will be asking the Russians for a refund...

Great sale on their part, if they work you don't have to worry about a refund, if they don't, well, same thing.........

Maybe the Russians have been on our side the whole time? I can just imagine how that sale went down, "Ummmm, yeah.... sure.... this is a GPS Jammer..." as he hands the iraqi a broken microwave with a DishNetwork 500 glued to the top.

BTW - Here's a link to the GPS jammer story: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030325/ap_on_re_mi_ea/war_briefing&cid=540&ncid=1478
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf

Maybe the Russians have been on our side the whole time? I can just imagine how that sale went down, "Ummmm, yeah.... sure.... this is a GPS Jammer..." as he hands the iraqi a broken microwave with a DishNetwork 500 glued to the top.
Hey! Let's get give them all free Cinemax and all of the Iraqi troops will be standing 'shocked and awed' at naked women and we'll mop up!
 

Alistar7

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Remember the weapons France sold them that were able to be turned off remotely in 1991??

You could be right, Saddam was on AT just before the war trying to score a few HU cards.......:Q
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf

Maybe the Russians have been on our side the whole time? I can just imagine how that sale went down, "Ummmm, yeah.... sure.... this is a GPS Jammer..." as he hands the iraqi a broken microwave with a DishNetwork 500 glued to the top.
Hey! Let's get give them all free Cinemax and all of the Iraqi troops will be standing 'shocked and awed' at naked women and we'll mop up!


BOOBIES....
 

StormRider

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I really haven't seen this mentioned much but I noticed in USA Today that there are several soldiers missing from that first ambush on the supply line that resulted in POWs being displayed on Iraqi TV. Two of those are women. So that makes it 3 women who are missing or captured. I'm hoping that the one they showed on TV will be okay (because the eyes of the world are watching) but I'm worried about the two missing women (along with the missing male soldiers) listed below:

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USA Today

In addition, seven others were classified as missing from An Nasiriyah. Among them: Army Pvt. Brandon Sloan, 19, of Bedford Heights, Ohio, Pfc. Lori Piestewa, 22, of Tuba City, Ariz., and Pfc. Jessica Lynch, 19, supply clerk, of Palestine, W.Va., family members said. The names of four others were not available.
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StormRider

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I think Donald Rumsfeld plan was too reckless. I think he is an idiot. I prefer Colin Powell's past strategy of overwhelming force instead of Donald Rumsfeld's reliance on quickness and information intelligence.





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?IN MY judgment, there should have been a minimum of two heavy divisions and an armored cavalry regiment on the ground ? that?s how our doctrine reads,? said retired Army Gen. Barry R. McCaffrey, who commanded the 24th Mechanized Infantry Division during the 1991 Gulf War.

HEATED DEBATE
McCaffrey?s comments are part of a heated debate underway among current and former ground commanders and strategists about a war plan built upon the concept of a ?rolling start? ? in which combat actions begin before the arrival of all ready forces, which are then brought forward or held back, depending upon how the battle proceeds.





? War in Iraq special report





The 21,000 soldiers of the 4th Infantry Division, based at Fort Hood, Tex., could begin arriving at staging areas in Kuwait almost immediately. But the 35 cargo ships laden with the division?s heavy armor and equipment will not complete their journey from the Mediterranean, through the Suez Canal and Red Sea, and begin arriving in Kuwait until the first week of April at the earliest, defense officials said yesterday.
Those ships had been waiting for weeks off the coast of Turkey to unload, as the original war plan called for the 4th to set up a base there and open a northern front. From there, the division was to advance on Tikrit, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein?s home town, and Baghdad, thereby forcing the Iraqi military to defend its capital from two directions.
That plan was abandoned after Turkey?s parliament refused to allow U.S. forces to launch from Turkish soil. President Bush then ordered the invasion to begin last week with only one heavy division, the 3rd Infantry in Kuwait, on the ground, forgoing the second heavy division that McCaffrey and others have thought critical to launching the war with a massive blow.





How large a force is necessary to invade Iraq has been a point of contention for months between some ground commanders, particularly those in the Army, and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. He insisted that air power, information dominance and speed enable the U.S. military to achieve much greater effect with a smaller, more agile force.
The loss of the 4th Infantry Division from the original invasion force did not alter Rumsfeld?s calculus. He and others cautioned against waiting for the division to arrive in Kuwait before invading, with hot summer weather approaching in the Iraqi desert and delay seen as affording Hussein more time to prepare.
?It is my position that we would be much better off if we had another heavy division on the ground, and an armored cavalry regiment to deal with this mission in the rear,? said retired Army Lt. Gen. Thomas G. Rhame, who commanded the 1st Infantry Division during the Gulf War. ?It?s not serious, but life would be a lot simpler if the secretary had another front open, which he was denied.?

?INCREDIBLE FLEXIBILITY?
Army Maj. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, vice chief of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters at the Pentagon yesterday he does not believe the U.S. invasion force is too small and too light. Army Gen. Tommy R. Franks, commander of the war in Iraq, has ?incredible flexibility,? McChrystal said, with the heavy 3rd Infantry Division pushing rapidly to Baghdad supported by the 101st Airborne Division, the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force and a British division.

Two U.S. Air Force S-3B Strike Vikings from the VS-24 squadron, seen from the cockpit of another scout aircraft, conduct aerial refueling before proceeding on their mission over the eastern Mediterranean, March 24.

Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper, now a Pentagon consultant, agreed with that assessment. He said those units ? all of which have been reinforced with additional troops and equipment ? represent ?more combat power on the ground then is generally recognized.?
One Army officer who was involved in some aspects of the war plan said air power more than offsets the firepower that would have been provided by the Abrams tanks, Bradley Fighting Vehicles, artillery and multiple-launch rocket systems of the 4th Infantry Division.
?Air power roams at will over the battlefield and can cope with any significant threat [that] concentrates to disrupt the rear,? the officer said, adding that Iraqi Republican Guard divisions are ?incapable of any resistance other than static defense.?
He also contended that the Iraqi military never successfully attacked the U.S. flanks and will not be able to do so now.
But McCaffrey said that long, unprotected supply lines reaching from Kuwait all the way to Baghdad have been shown to be vulnerable. The ambush of an Army maintenance convoy Sunday resulted in seven deaths and five U.S. prisoners of war.
Army doctrine, he said, calls for armored cavalry regiments to patrol the flanks of the advancing force and protect the terrain it has traversed. Military police battalions, he said, are typically used to patrol bridges and intersections to be controlled by military police battalions.
Such forces have received deployment orders, he added, but they are still back in the United States, waiting to get into the fight. As for the adequacy of air power, McCaffrey said it cannot substitute for the powerful combination of M1 Abrams tanks, Bradley Fighting Vehicles and AH-64D Apache Longbow helicopter gunships when it comes to a confrontation with Republican Guard divisions, particularly when they are dispersed.

TIME TO RECOVER?
?When you package it the right way, the Bradley-Abrams-artillery-Apache team [enables the U.S.] to stand up to enormous combat pressure and not lose many troops,? McCaffrey said.
His fear at this point, McCaffrey added, is that waiting for reinforcements for a final attack on Baghdad could give the Iraqis time to recover. ?You don?t get up there and let them get their nerve back,? McCaffrey said. ?You got to go in there and bust their chops badly, and let the speed and momentum and violence overwhelm them.?
Retired Army Maj. Gen. William L. Nash, a commander in the Gulf War, agreed that another heavy division on the ground would be highly desirable.
?The stability of the liberated areas is clearly as issue,? Nash said. ?The postwar transition has to begin immediately in the wake of the attacking forces, and they seem to be short of forces for those important missions at this time.?

© 2003 The Washington Post Company



 

MoobyTheGoldenCalf

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Originally posted by: StormRider
I really haven't seen this mentioned much but I noticed in USA Today that there are several soldiers missing from that first ambush on the supply line that resulted in POWs being displayed on Iraqi TV. Two of those are women. So that makes it 3 women who are missing or captured. I'm hoping that the one they showed on TV will be okay (because the eyes of the world are watching) but I'm worried about the two missing women (along with the missing male soldiers) listed below:

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USA Today

In addition, seven others were classified as missing from An Nasiriyah. Among them: Army Pvt. Brandon Sloan, 19, of Bedford Heights, Ohio, Pfc. Lori Piestewa, 22, of Tuba City, Ariz., and Pfc. Jessica Lynch, 19, supply clerk, of Palestine, W.Va., family members said. The names of four others were not available.
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Here's a CNN story about Pfc. Jessica Lynch: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/03/24/missing.soldier.ap/index.html
 
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