*OFFICIAL Week 14 NFL Thread* Apparently my OCD is worse than yours

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RPD

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SF's backup is Gabbert. As bad as Kaep is doing, he is doing better than Gabbert could.
Maybe as a pure QB but as a team, that would make them run more... which would probably lead to a better chance of winning.
 

Ban Bot

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Seattle also lost to St. Louis, who Dallas also beat. And, who cares about everyone healthy and clicking. Had Tony Romo been healthy, Dallas had a very good chance of beating Arizona. The Dallas D really played well and their O was just awful under Weeden. But, who cares about that?

The wildcard set up is stupid in the event of a 3+ way tie and all don't have head to head games. Seattle with an identical record as Dallas should lose to them, regardless of other teams. The tie breaker should be head to head, and Seattle loses that.

smackababy, before I point out the issues with your argument, I will give you & Dallas this:

Head-to-Head: Dallas 1, Seattle 0

Tip the hat to Dallas, if it is a 2 way tie between Dallas and Seattle (either for wildcard seeding or for division winners) then Dallas EARNED a higher seed based on head-to-head. This is why Seattle has Zero margin down the stretch: Going 11-5 could result in a tie with Dallas for the last seed in the NFC in which case Dallas has earned the 6th seed. End of debate.

Those are the rules for head-to-head ties when all participants in the tie have played each other. Both teams know that and Seattle's superior Conference (7-2 vs. 6-4) and Common Opponent records (5-1 vs. 2-4) be damned. It won't matter a lick that Seattle bested, and Dallas lost to, San Fran, Washington, Arizona, and Philadelphia.

And there is a very real chance we could see Philly win the NFC East and have a 2 way Dallas/Seattle tie for the 6th seed (i.e. GB/Detroit go 12-4). In which case Seattle will be an 11-5 team sitting at home which would be a darned shame seeing as Seattle had a strong strength of schedule with a great conference and common opponent record compared to playoffs teams. Maybe Seattle should have stopped that 3rd&20 against Dallas?


But that is as far as the Dallas argument goes.


Based on the seeding rules if there is a >2 way tie head-to-head only applies if all teams played. If not the seeding falls to common opponent and conference record. Just as Seattle knew ahead of time the above doomsday scenario Dallas has known all along they need to win a lot of conference and common opponent games--better yet win your division. If Dallas gets snubbed at 11-5 due to a 3-way tie they have no one to blame but themselves for sucking in the Conference and losing a ton of common opponent games.

The rules actually make sense. If there are 2 teams tied with the same record you go head-to-head. If there are >2 teams tied you check head-to-head and if all 3 teams played the top seed is the best head-to-head record. In this case Detroit played neither Dallas or Seattle so head-to-head isn't "level" across the board. You can argue Dallas beat Seattle but you don't know if Detroit played Dallas and Seattle that Detroit beats Dallas and Seattle bests Detroit. You just don't. So the rules fall to something that can be measured.

Just as Seattle knows they lose out head-to-head and needed to win that game Dallas has known they need to avoid a >2 way tie as their common opponent and conference record is not good. Per the rules and how it breaks out at this time (almost certain to change as all 3 have major division games against playoff eligible teams):

Tie Breaker #1. Seattle and Detroit are ahead of Dallas based on conference record (Lions' 7-2 and Seahawks' 7-2 to the Cowboys' 6-4).
Dallas needs to/should have won more conference games.

Tie Breaker #2. Seattle is ahead of Detroit based on common games record (4-0 to the Lions' 2-2). Detroit needs to/should have won more games against common opponents.

Tie Breaker #3. Detroit is ahead of Dallas based on conference record (7-2 to the Cowboys' 6-4). Dallas needs to/should have won more conference games.

RE: Dallas beating St. Louis. So you are hanging your hat on the St. Louis victory? The "transitive" properties theory doesn't work that way. But as a Seattle fan if that is the argument we are all in because Seattle has done much better than Dallas in Common Opponents. Looking at common opponents between Seattle and Dallas:

Dallas Beat: St. Louis, NY Giants
Dallas Lost: San Fran, Washington, Arizona, Philadelphia

Seattle Beat: San Fran, Washington, Arizona, Philadelphia, NY Giants
Seattle Lost: St. Louis

Looking at common opponents Seattle is 5-1 whereas Dallas is a middling 2-4.

So using your argument:

Dallas > St. Louis > Seattle

But looking at the entire schedule:

Seattle > San Fran, Washington, Arizona, Philadelphia > Dallas

Seattle has beat EVERY team Dallas has lost to.

The wildcard setup is fine. Dallas won't be happy in the current 3 way tie; Seattle won't be happy if they go 11-5 and miss the dance. Maybe one/both should have just won their division? Or gone 12-4? It stinks that Philly/Dallas catabolize each other, ditto Green Bay/Detroit and Arizona/Seattle/San Fran/St Louis do the same while the NFC South could see a 6-10 team make the dance. But those are also the rules, too.
 

Svnla

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What's the word on Philbin? Is it likely they're going to fire him?

If them Fins make the playoff, his job will be safe. If they stay home again this year, I would not count on him to be back. Fins is too good to be 8-8 or worse every freaking year. If they would able to close out with Green Bay and Detroit, they would be in very good shape right now.
 

smackababy

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I understand how the seeding works, and it is bullshit. In no world should a team who have lose their only match up against another get a spot if their overall record ends in a tie. It is stupid that head to head is discarded in the event another team has an equal record.
 

akugami

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Beast Mode did have that fumble. But the pick right after made most people forget about it.

There were a couple missed calls but:

A. Was not a factor in the outcome.
B. There have been waaayyyy too many flags this season over all, so I'd rather have them miss a few than have a bunch of phantom calls.

There's always going to be a few bloopers in a game. It's never going to be 100% free of mistakes. So what I meant was that Seattle played efficiently and with relatively few mistakes.

It just seemed like there were opportunities for the Eagles to make plays and Sanchez just did not get the job done. I know Seattle has a great defense but watch the game and you can see there were definitely opportunities.

So, does the world 'asplode if Atlanta somehow manages to beat Green Bay?

You know...I heard on the radio that tonight's game was a battle between division leaders. I nearly spilled my coffee laughing.


Next week's Eagles Cowpoke game is practically for the division. If Eagles win, I think they put a stranglehold on the division. Especially since the Eagles have Washington and Giants next which are both very winnable games. If Dallas wins, the division is still wide open. Dallas has Indy and Washington after that. Indy should be a tough game but Washington is pathetic.

If Dallas wins the division, I think the Eagles will not make the playoffs. They've lost to too many playoff potential teams, some of which will lose their division and have to settle for a wild-card. I believe Dallas actually has a better shot than the Eagles for a wild-card spot.


San Fran.
Kraepernick. I was never impressed with him as a QB. He's big, he's athletic, but he's not that good of a QB.

NFC South.
Ughh...a 5-7 team is the current division leader and depending on if Atlanta wins or loses tonight, a 5-8 team may be the division leader. A 4-win team is still alive in the playoff hunt with 3 games to go.
 

smackababy

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I am surprised nobody has mentioned the real reason the Chiefs lost: Jamaal Charles only had 10 carries. And he was averaging fucking 9.1 yards per carry. I know they are tired of hearing he is carrying the team, but for fuck's sake, give this man the ball! When your best player is fucking beasting, let 'em beast...
 

glenn1

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NFC South.
Ughh...a 5-7 team is the current division leader and depending on if Atlanta wins or loses tonight, a 5-8 team may be the division leader. A 4-win team is still alive in the playoff hunt with 3 games to go.

Don't forget CAR, who could either be the division winner or getting a top 4 pick in the 2015 draft depending on how the next 3 weeks play out.
 

smackababy

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Don't forget CAR, who could either be the division winner or getting a top 4 pick in the 2015 draft depending on how the next 3 weeks play out.

And that is beyond stupid. Ugh... BPL style system please! Hell, even MLS with two conferences would be fine. Everyone plays everyone in conference. With 16 teams, that is 15 games. Alternate home and away, with each team doing 8 and 8, add in like a non conference rivalry game (NYG - NYJ, SF - OAK, DAL - HOU, etc) and you can get a 17 week schedule (with a bye) with the top 6 teams from each conference making it to the playoffs.
 

Perknose

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It just seemed like there were opportunities for the Eagles to make plays and Sanchez just did not get the job done. I know Seattle has a great defense but watch the game and you can see there were definitely opportunities.

Absolutely agreed. Not to take anything away from Seattle's great 'D', but Sanchez was terrible . . . really, truly terrible.

Next week's Eagles Cowpoke game is practically for the division.

Yeah, and I'm not feeling good about it at all. After the Birds first two quick scores, the Boys 'D' had them pretty well handled. That, plus a slightly healthier and even slightly more mobile Romo makes me one Phrowny Philly Phan.

Although . . . the pressure dem Iggles can bring might save the day. Sanchez still has to produce effing something, though.
 

glenn1

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And that is beyond stupid. Ugh... BPL style system please! Hell, even MLS with two conferences would be fine. Everyone plays everyone in conference. With 16 teams, that is 15 games. Alternate home and away, with each team doing 8 and 8, add in like a non conference rivalry game (NYG - NYJ, SF - OAK, DAL - HOU, etc) and you can get a 17 week schedule (with a bye) with the top 6 teams from each conference making it to the playoffs.

What, you don't like the thought of a 6-9-1 team making the playoffs?
 

smackababy

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Yeah, and I'm not feeling good about it at all. After the Birds first two quick scores, the Boys 'D' had them pretty well handled. That, plus a slightly healthier and even slightly more mobile Romo makes me one Phrowny Philly Phan.

There were plenty of opportunities for Romo to rush for some yards in the first Philly game and he didn't. He chose to either force a throw or throw the ball away completely. A healthier Romo isn't going to do that, but it is December.

I wonder if they will start Foles. I heard during the Seattle game he was ready physically, they are just worried about reinjury. This game is pretty much a must win for Dallas, so they won't be taking it lightly. If they lose, they have to win out to make the playoffs IMO. And doing that against with the Colts coming up the week after is going to prove difficult at best.
 

glenn1

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BTW, for those whose favorite team might be in the "Suck for Duck" (Mariotta) contest, current 2015 NFL Draft order is as follows - lower SOS wins when there is a tie:

1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 2-11 (.488 SOS)
2. Tennessee Titans: 2-11 (.490 SOS)
3. Jacksonville Jaguars: 2-11 (.522 SOS)
4. New York Jets: 2-11 (.549 SOS)
5. Oakland Raiders: 2-11 (.590 SOS)
6. Washington Redskins: 3-10 (.500 SOS)
7. New York Giants: 4-9 (.522 SOS)
8. Carolina Panthers: 4-8-1 (.502 SOS)
9. New Orleans Saints: 5-8 (.493 SOS)
10. Chicago Bears: 5-8 (.520 SOS)
11. Minnesota Vikings: 6-7 (.475 SOS)
12. St. Louis Rams: 6-7 (.541 SOS)
13. Houston Texans: 7-6 (.442 SOS)
14. Cleveland Browns: 7-6 (.463 SOS)
15. Miami Dolphins: 7-6 (.500 SOS)
16. Buffalo Bills: 7-6 (.520 SOS)
17. Kansas City Chiefs: 7-6 (.522 SOS)
18. San Francisco 49ers: 7-6 (.541 SOS)
19. Baltimore Ravens: 8-5 (.485 SOS)
20. Dallas Cowboys: 9-4 (.452 SOS)

Projected Playoff teams

21. Atlanta Falcons 5-7 (.478 SOS)
22. San Diego Chargers: 8-4 (.507 SOS)
23. Pittsburgh Steelers: 8-5 (.453 SOS)
24. Indianapolis Colts: 9-4 (.473 SOS)
25. Cincinnati Bengals: 8-4-1 (.495 SOS)
26. Detroit Lions: 9-4 (.470 SOS)
27. Philadelphia Eagles: 9-4 (.473 SOS)
28. Seattle Seahawks: 9-4 (.544 SOS)
29. Green Bay Packers: 9-3 (.485 SOS)
30. New England Patriots: 9-3 (.512 SOS)
31. Arizona Cardinals: 10-3 (.522 SOS)
32. Denver Broncos: 10-3 (.532 SOS)
 

Kelvrick

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I am surprised nobody has mentioned the real reason the Chiefs lost: Jamaal Charles only had 10 carries. And he was averaging fucking 9.1 yards per carry. I know they are tired of hearing he is carrying the team, but for fuck's sake, give this man the ball! When your best player is fucking beasting, let 'em beast...

Did you see the game? I didn't, but it might be because they don't want to run him into the ground. I think he is dealing with a knee and ankle now. I think he left part of the game too?
 

smackababy

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Did you see the game? I didn't, but it might be because they don't want to run him into the ground. I think he is dealing with a knee and ankle now. I think he left part of the game too?

I didn't watch it. I just saw the stat line of Charles with 10 rushes for 91 yards... 10 rushes. If an RB is averaging over 9 yards per carry, you feed him the ball, especially when Alex Smith is the one you're expecting to throw it. >_>
 

zinfamous

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BTW, for those whose favorite team might be in the "Suck for Duck" (Mariotta) contest, current 2015 NFL Draft order is as follows - lower SOS wins when there is a tie:

1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 2-11 (.488 SOS)
2. Tennessee Titans: 2-11 (.490 SOS)
3. Jacksonville Jaguars: 2-11 (.522 SOS)
4. New York Jets: 2-11 (.549 SOS)
5. Oakland Raiders: 2-11 (.590 SOS)
6. Washington Redskins: 3-10 (.500 SOS)
7. New York Giants: 4-9 (.522 SOS)
8. Carolina Panthers: 4-8-1 (.502 SOS)
9. New Orleans Saints: 5-8 (.493 SOS)
10. Chicago Bears: 5-8 (.520 SOS)
11. Minnesota Vikings: 6-7 (.475 SOS)
12. St. Louis Rams: 6-7 (.541 SOS)
13. Houston Texans: 7-6 (.442 SOS)
14. Cleveland Browns: 7-6 (.463 SOS)
15. Miami Dolphins: 7-6 (.500 SOS)
16. Buffalo Bills: 7-6 (.520 SOS)
17. Kansas City Chiefs: 7-6 (.522 SOS)
18. San Francisco 49ers: 7-6 (.541 SOS)
19. Baltimore Ravens: 8-5 (.485 SOS)
20. Dallas Cowboys: 9-4 (.452 SOS)

Projected Playoff teams

21. Atlanta Falcons 5-7 (.478 SOS)
22. San Diego Chargers: 8-4 (.507 SOS)
23. Pittsburgh Steelers: 8-5 (.453 SOS)
24. Indianapolis Colts: 9-4 (.473 SOS)
25. Cincinnati Bengals: 8-4-1 (.495 SOS)
26. Detroit Lions: 9-4 (.470 SOS)
27. Philadelphia Eagles: 9-4 (.473 SOS)
28. Seattle Seahawks: 9-4 (.544 SOS)
29. Green Bay Packers: 9-3 (.485 SOS)
30. New England Patriots: 9-3 (.512 SOS)
31. Arizona Cardinals: 10-3 (.522 SOS)
32. Denver Broncos: 10-3 (.532 SOS)


The SKins will actually get to use this year's pick, right?
 

akugami

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There were plenty of opportunities for Romo to rush for some yards in the first Philly game and he didn't. He chose to either force a throw or throw the ball away completely. A healthier Romo isn't going to do that, but it is December.

I wonder if they will start Foles. I heard during the Seattle game he was ready physically, they are just worried about reinjury. This game is pretty much a must win for Dallas, so they won't be taking it lightly. If they lose, they have to win out to make the playoffs IMO. And doing that against with the Colts coming up the week after is going to prove difficult at best.

Foles is not ready next game. Maybe the game after. I believe Foles is ok for practice, but not contact.

Maybe they'll trade up and try to draft a QB like Jameis Winston.






:awe:

You forget to add that 3 years from now, Tampa vs Washington, the 6 team captains for Tampa are the picks they get from the Washington trade.
 

RampantAndroid

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Seattle > San Fran, Washington, Arizona, Philadelphia > Dallas

Seattle has beat EVERY team Dallas has lost to.

Realize, that the Seahawks are back to what they were last year I believe in no small part due to Harvin going away. They designed their offense around Harvin doing some kind of magic...only for there to be a total lack of magic. The Cowboys just figured out how to stop Harvin at the line and not let him gain much of anything. By dumping Harvin (and his drama, it would seem) and instead focusing on letting Wilson move around/Lynch do his beast mode thing (and....receive??) they seem to have found their rhythm again. I would love to see a rematch of the Cowboys/Hawks just to see if the game would be different.

More than that, I want to see the Hawks/Cards game in two weeks, as I think that is the only tough game remaining for them this season.
 

GagHalfrunt

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BTW, for those whose favorite team might be in the "Suck for Duck" (Mariotta) contest, current 2015 NFL Draft order is as follows - lower SOS wins when there is a tie:

1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 2-11 (.488 SOS)
2. Tennessee Titans: 2-11 (.490 SOS)
3. Jacksonville Jaguars: 2-11 (.522 SOS)
4. New York Jets: 2-11 (.549 SOS)
5. Oakland Raiders: 2-11 (.590 SOS)
6. Washington Redskins: 3-10 (.500 SOS)
7. New York Giants: 4-9 (.522 SOS)


Raiders are choking big time. They had this locked up and couldn't finish.
 

SSSnail

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I am surprised nobody has mentioned the real reason the Chiefs lost: Jamaal Charles only had 10 carries. And he was averaging fucking 9.1 yards per carry. I know they are tired of hearing he is carrying the team, but for fuck's sake, give this man the ball! When your best player is fucking beasting, let 'em beast...
Eh, don't let that one long run skew the stats for you. He was getting stuffed.
 
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