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JujuFish

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I was pretty sure that at 10-6 each, both teams would have ended up with same conference records and Buffalo's SOV would have been better pushing them into the 6th seed.

Going into Week 17, Buffalo needed the KC and SD to both lose at least one game, the Steelers to win, and Buffalo to win both week 16 and 17 to get in, along with the rest of the AFC pack to end up 10-6. The only thing that didn't happen was Buffalo winning in Week 16.
The Ravens had a better record in common games. Buffalo: 2-3, Baltimore: 3-2
 

Jimzz

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Come on, Atlanta. At least keep the Panthers out. Do something positive for God's sake.


I'm a Falcons fan and I was hoping they would lose. If they won they might have kept some of the coaches, not had a hard change at O line, or the defense as well.

Also helps their draft pick greatly as well. Hope they can get a good pass rusher or O-Line man in the first round. Running back will also need work as Jackson will be gone and no one else has really stepped up.
 

cubby1223

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same place with the bears but i have a sinking feeling they are gonna win today and let the Saints get in front of them.

Team should have played Fales at QB and let his name do the work.

Have you seen the Bears draft picks of the past decade? Awful! It doesn't matter where they draft, they will continue picking duds and not have a coaching staff who can develop even good picks into talented players.
 

Chaotic42

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I'm a Falcons fan and I was hoping they would lose. If they won they might have kept some of the coaches, not had a hard change at O line, or the defense as well.

Also helps their draft pick greatly as well. Hope they can get a good pass rusher or O-Line man in the first round. Running back will also need work as Jackson will be gone and no one else has really stepped up.

Are they cutting Jackson or does he want to move somewhere else?
 

TheVrolok

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Suh is such a piece of shit. His still being allowed on the field just shows the NFL doesn't give a shit about safety or values. He should be picking up trash somewhere.
 

cubby1223

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I sure hope Suh gets suspended for the cheap shot against Rodgers, just like Raiola was suspended this week for the exact same cheap shot against the Bears. The NFL is so hypocritical letting them continue breaking the rules in direct attempt to injure players of opposing teams.


Well, not that the Packers deserve much better... I recall the NFC Championship just two seasons ago against the 49ers as the 4th quarter was winding down and the 49ers had the victory wrapped up, the Packers went out on the field each play with the intent to cause the most pain & injury as they could to the 49ers players.
 
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KMFJD

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Suh is such a piece of shit. His still being allowed on the field just shows the NFL doesn't give a shit about safety or values. He should be picking up trash somewhere.



purely incidental contact, no fine
 

Jimzz

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Are they cutting Jackson or does he want to move somewhere else?


Ah I thought this was his last year, has one left. But at 3.75million and his injury plagued seasons I would drop him and move on. Problem is a new coach may keep him to evaluate him.
 

Retro Rob

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I sure hope Suh gets suspended for the cheap shot against Rodgers, just like Raiola was suspended this week for the exact same cheap shot against the Bears. The NFL is so hypocritical letting them continue breaking the rules in direct attempt to injure players of opposing teams.

I think everyone knows I'm a Lions fan, and when I saw that play live, I thought Rogers was being a bag, but after seeing the replay several times, I really can't say anything in Suh's defense.

He knew he was pushed into Rogers, and it was clear that he knew that he stepped on someone as indicated by his partial trip and attempt to regain his balance (which was incidental), but the second step coupled with him not willing to even look down made it clear that he was doing it on purpose.

Heck, he even ignored Rogers' retaliation, which he also was aware of.

If the Lions wonder why they're losers, can't win big games, and will never get the benefit of the doubt from the refs, look no further than your star players like Suh and Raiola.

If Suh isn't suspended, he'll have a target on his back and will be watched like a hawk in Dallas next week. Even a border-line clean hit on Romo will be flagged as a personal foul.

He's done it to himself.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
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I think everyone knows I'm a Lions fan, and when I saw that play live, I thought Rogers was being a bag, but after seeing the replay several times, I really can't say anything in Suh's defense.

He knew he was pushed into Rogers, and it was clear that he knew that he stepped on someone as indicated by his partial trip and attempt to regain his balance (which was incidental), but the second step coupled with him not willing to even look down made it clear that he was doing it on purpose.

Heck, he even ignored Rogers' retaliation, which he also was aware of.

If the Lions wonder why they're losers, can't win big games, and will never get the benefit of the doubt from the refs, look no further than your star players like Suh and Raiola.

If Suh isn't suspended, he'll have a target on his back and will be watched like a hawk in Dallas next week. Even a border-line clean hit on Romo will be flagged as a personal foul.

He's done it to himself.

The "great" Mike Pereira disagrees with you, it looks horrible in slow motion, in regular time not so much, he definitely steps on him but it's not a stomp like Raiola the idiot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPafKcZGkOQ
 
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positivedoppler

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what a f'ing human sh!t head. The second step is obviously intentional after he felt something on the first step. I don't think the NFL should suspend him, he needs to be thrown out of the league. That was total BS. There is absolutely no place in the NFL for somebody who is trying to intentionally injure a player.
 

lupi

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Apr 8, 2001
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several teams losing today that should have one, or playing like they were going to lose for much of the game. And WTF patriots, if I had known you were playing brady I would have selected the bills.
 

waffleironhead

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what a f'ing human sh!t head. The second step is obviously intentional after he felt something on the first step. I don't think the NFL should suspend him, he needs to be thrown out of the league. That was total BS. There is absolutely no place in the NFL for somebody who is trying to intentionally injure a player.

Ill be the first to admit I know very little about football, but in looking at the video, Suh seems to be pulling away from Packers number 70, resulting in the second step on rogers. Got to look at the overhead view, not from below.
 

lupi

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given how slow they had to make the video for it to look deliberate, I'll gladly go with they are trying to pin something on him from past occurrences.


As far as harbaugh being the first fired coach, was there some type of buyout agreement or is he getting the full amount left on his contract?
 

smackababy

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I argued this with Rob awhile back, even if this was completely accidental and unintentional, Suh has enough of a reputation doing crap like this, he will be punished. Suspending him a week isn't going to send the message, IMO. Once you have a reputation for being a dirty player, you had better do everything in your power to not play dirty.

given how slow they had to make the video for it to look deliberate, I'll gladly go with they are trying to pin something on him from past occurrences.


As far as harbaugh being the first fired coach, was there some type of buyout agreement or is he getting the full amount left on his contract?

According to sources, they seem to say he is walking away from the team each owing the other nothing. I have a feeling SF misses the playoffs next season. Harbaugh turned that team around. Without him, unless they get someone great, it isn't happening.
 

positivedoppler

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Ill be the first to admit I know very little about football, but in looking at the video, Suh seems to be pulling away from Packers number 70, resulting in the second step on rogers. Got to look at the overhead view, not from below.

I've looked at it over and over and over again. Prior to the second step, he was well balanced, was not falling back so it was a conscious decision to take another full step back and plant his full weight on that leg.

There's only a couple of items that can exist on a football field that your foot will notice if it steps on it. 1 is the football, 2 is another human been. After the first step which was probably accidental, Suh knew there was a person on the ground behind him. If his body was kind of wobbly or off balance, the second step might have been excused. But time and time again after I looked at the replay Suh was in full control of his body prior to dedicating himself to taking that second step back.
 

smackababy

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I've looked at it over and over and over again. Prior to the second step, he was well balanced, was not falling back so it was a conscious decision to take another full step back and plant his full weight on that leg.

There's only a couple of items that can exist on a football field that your foot will notice if it steps on it. 1 is the football, 2 is another human been. After the first step which was probably accidental, Suh knew there was a person on the ground behind him. If his body was kind of wobbly or off balance, the second step might have been excused. But time and time again after I looked at the replay Suh was in full control of his body prior to dedicating himself to taking that second step back.

The biggest problem, IMO, is that his body didn't even remotely show he might be concerned with stepping on someone, regardless of who it was. How many people here would step on something they could only assume was a person and not immediately attempt to reposition the foot? You don't put your full weight down on it. The fact that it was Rodgers makes it look dirtier than it was, but it is still a move by a piece of garbage.
 

cubby1223

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The "great" Mike Pereira disagrees with you, it looks horrible in slow motion, in regular time not so much, he definitely steps on him but it's not a stomp like Raiola the idiot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPafKcZGkOQ

Who cares about the opinion of Mike Pereira? It is as clear as day it was intentional. Especially when he pauses with every pound of his weight pushing down on his cleats digging into Rodger's ankle. Suh is in complete control of his balance when he decided to lift his right foot off the ground and place the entire force of his body onto Rodger's ankle.
 
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waffleironhead

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I've looked at it over and over and over again. Prior to the second step, he was well balanced, was not falling back so it was a conscious decision to take another full step back and plant his full weight on that leg.

There's only a couple of items that can exist on a football field that your foot will notice if it steps on it. 1 is the football, 2 is another human been. After the first step which was probably accidental, Suh knew there was a person on the ground behind him. If his body was kind of wobbly or off balance, the second step might have been excused. But time and time again after I looked at the replay Suh was in full control of his body prior to dedicating himself to taking that second step back.

So you dont see him pulling away from the guy who had his hand on his uniform neck? Look at the 70 players hand on his uniform, and how Suh's body leans back as the hand is released from his uniform.
The video I'm looking at is here. Around the 40 second mark.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...aaron-rodgers-twice-on-purpose-002410086.html
 

rockyct

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I argued this with Rob awhile back, even if this was completely accidental and unintentional, Suh has enough of a reputation doing crap like this, he will be punished. Suspending him a week isn't going to send the message, IMO. Once you have a reputation for being a dirty player, you had better do everything in your power to not play dirty.



According to sources, they seem to say he is walking away from the team each owing the other nothing. I have a feeling SF misses the playoffs next season. Harbaugh turned that team around. Without him, unless they get someone great, it isn't happening.

Yeah, it's a bit early for this discussion, but I'm not sure who is available for them. It's a Catch-22 for any coach going in. They are a talented team that could go to the playoffs if they get their shit together, but they are getting old, the front office seems to be a pain, and the players seem like they are a bunch of divas.
 

smackababy

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So you dont see him pulling away from the guy who had his hand on his uniform neck? Look at the 70 players hand on his uniform, and how Suh's body leans back as the hand is released from his uniform.
The video I'm looking at is here. Around the 40 second mark.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...aaron-rodgers-twice-on-purpose-002410086.html

The first step was completely unintentional. The second step, and putting the full weight down upon the QB is intentional. He knew damn well someone was under his feet and continued to put his weight down on it. That is not only unsafe, but dirty.

I hope he gets suspended for more than a game, not that the Lions will get past the Cowboys anyway. >_>


Unrelated discussion: How do players get paid for playoffs? They make x per week during the regular season, but do they continue to get paid over the course of the playoffs or is there special contract language for it? Like someone making X per year, does it get divided by 17 or by the total number of weeks and they just get a lump sum if they don't make it?
 
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waffleironhead

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The first step was completely unintentional. The second step, and putting the full weight down upon the QB is intentional. He knew damn well someone was under his feet and continued to put his weight down on it. That is not only unsafe, but dirty.

I hope he gets suspended for more than a game, not that the Lions will get past the Cowboys anyway. >_>

I dont know about you, but if I'm pulling away from someone who has his hand on my collar, I'm focusing on the hand on my neck not where my feet are landing.
 

smackababy

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I dont know about you, but if I'm pulling away from someone who has his hand on my collar, I'm focusing on the hand on my neck not where my feet are landing.

One, his hands weren't on his neck. He had a hold of his jersey. Two, in the event someone hostile IS grabbing my neck, my footing is a lot more important. If you fall over backwards with someone on your neck, you're in a much worse position than if you were standing.
 

waffleironhead

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One, his hands weren't on his neck. He had a hold of his jersey. Two, in the event someone hostile IS grabbing my neck, my footing is a lot more important. If you fall over backwards with someone on your neck, you're in a much worse position than if you were standing.

Hey, just look at the timing. The hand is still on the collar during the first step. The hand is released and the second step is taken. Shows the momentum of pulling away from the collar.

Nice one. Hey let me look around at my footing before I try to pull away from this guy with his hand on my collar!
 

lupi

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there is a playoff amount and every player on the team gets the same amount. not sure about the practice squad guys but wouldn't be surprised if they and possibly the IR guys get a reduced paycheck.


as for the niners, several of them got inflated egos with the success they had after harbaugh, likely need to do some significant roster changes to bring in younger less ego driven guys for a new coaching staff.

just looked at the schedule for next week. 3 of the games are easy picks to make. the cincy/colts one will take some time to think. both are teams that generally have chocked in the playoffs lately, and both have had chock performances this year. colts D has capability to be so bad and the O line isn't something to stand behind when facing a solid D coming at you.
 
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