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[vi edit]

I think Chicago office got caught up in the QB arms race. Brees and Flacco signed big deals. Jay was certainly no where as elite as Brees but arguably equal to Flacco. They didn't want to groom a rookie QB and he was "'good enough". And now they are in the same situation as NO, Cinncy, Baltimore, ect with a huge contract for a QB and not getting great results for it.

Over the last few years you've really seen the true dichotomy of quarterback levels.

The uber elite levels of Manning, Brady, and Rodgers. Luck is working his way here.
The really damn good levels of Rivers, Brees and Rothlesburger, Romo
Then the middle range of unpredictable, streaky QB's along the lines of Cutler, Stafford, Ryan, Eli, Flacco, Dalton, Kaepernick, Newton ect.
Then at the bottom is the journeyman/rookie level of Geno Smith, Carr, Bridgewater, McCown, ect.

I think those 9 digit contracts are going to be a lot harder to come by going forward. Or at the very least, heavily incentive based like Kaepernicks.

 

[manimal]

While, I think Trestman didn't do a terrible job, considering Cutlet's play, there has to be someone taking responsibility for the season. They can't exactly fire Cutler (although, I think they are going to get rid of him some way), Trestman showed he couldn't take over and help right the ship. He might have been effective at steering it when things were going good, but once it started sinking, he kind of just sat by. Cutler should have been benched way before it happened. They did better last year without him.

I really wonder if he didnt want to bench him much earlier in the year. I really dont think he had the say to do it sooner. Bears are really disfunctional. They tried to make Arians have a mock press conference and they worry more about perception than reality.

Reality was Cutler was playing badly but the perception of wasting 100 million to them was worse than loosing.


I am SOOOO hopeful they will Jettison Cutlet. I really dont think some of us can take another season with him. I would bet money there was a mngmt issue with Cutlet and he said the Its him or me about trest...


While I didnt like some of Emerys decisions he turned over the roster pretty quick this year when things looked bad. Bears had 17 rookies most of any team in the legue and they didnt lose 10 games.....



So much fail on the bears they cant even fail properly.



Bears have a conversion cluase in Cutlets contract that allows them to convert 6 million of his 15 due next year into a signing bonus effectively allowing them to have a 9 million dollar top ten starter for trade making him MUCH more palpable but that also means the bears will eat another six million on top of the six million owed to trestman and the 2-5 million they owe to the GM and the coulple of million they owe to the assistants... HOLY SHIT the bears are cheap and they are gonna eat 10-20 million today. Cant see them spending 8 on Harbaugh.


If teams hires Holmgren they have a shot. Wolf is already helping the Pegulas right now so I bet they will shy away from Cutler in trade. The real teams I think Cutlet can go to is 49s now, jets, texans, possibly Rams if they decide to Jettison no knees.

 

[cubby1223]

Not sure I like the Trestman firing. So many problems on that team, least of which is coaching IMHO. Defense was in shambles. So many old players, no leaders, and a leaky secondary. Offensive line was improved...but still bad. And then the 126 million dollar problem named Cutler. Bleh.

I think Marshall was off his meds the 2nd half of the season and we saw real Brandon Marhsall with his twitter rants of getting in the ring with Detroit fans. Trestman was obviously frustrated with the situation and the lack of energy his players were putting forward and called them out on it.

Most of the damage done is irreparable. He lost that locker room and wasn't going to get it back. There wasn't much other choice.

That would be assuming Trestman wanted to stay with the Bears I wouldn't be surprised if he had his next job lined up prior to yesterday.

 

[smackababy]

Harbaugh already signed to Michigan, so they aren't grabbing him.

I believe the Titans were interested in Cutler, and he wouldn't be a bad fit there. He could groom Big Ben raper number 2 and a change of pace to a team that isn't expected to win wouldn't hurt him.

 

[vi edit]

That would be assuming Trestman wanted to stay with the Bears I wouldn't be surprised if he had his next job lined up prior to yesterday.

Very likely so. He's got teenage kid(s?). I'm sure they took an endless amount of crap having Trestman as a dad. Maybe it is better if he goes off and gets an offensive coordinator position. Some guys just do better in their specialties. Examples are Rod Marinelli for Dallas and Schwartz @ Buffalo. Odd that both were associated with Detroit but both have done great things sticking to what they know best. Trestman may just bow out of the limelight and take a slightly lower profile coordinator gig.

 

[cubby1223]

Harbaugh already signed to Michigan, so they aren't grabbing him.

I believe the Titans were interested in Cutler, and he wouldn't be a bad fit there. He could groom Big Ben raper number 2 and a change of pace to a team that isn't expected to win wouldn't hurt him.

That was rumored, but I don't see anyone taking Cutler. He is toxic. He screwed over the Broncos, and he helped screwed over the Bears. And the Bears also never provided a competent offensive line for how many years, whatever potential he had left was lost to concussions. The team is stuck with him for the cost of the contract.

 

[manimal]

Very likely so. He's got teenage kid(s?). I'm sure they took an endless amount of crap having Trestman as a dad. Maybe it is better if he goes off and gets an offensive coordinator position. Some guys just do better in their specialties. Examples are Rod Marinelli for Dallas and Schwartz @ Buffalo. Odd that both were associated with Detroit but both have done great things sticking to what they know best. Trestman may just bow out of the limelight and take a slightly lower profile coordinator gig.

Trestmans Daughters got threats on twitter and facebook. FBI were involved. Really sad.



Trestman is a quality guy who chooses not to be a yeller. He has quiet intensity and is very bright and smart and dumb people seem to think that he thinks he is better than them. NFL needs more people like trestman and less people like Ted Phillips who is just a glorified accountant that ended up costing his team 20 + million in dead money. How that guys keeps his job I dont know.....

let him be the accountant for all we care. Just stay away from operations.



Well in the case of briggs. Yes trestman is a better human being that that piece of crap.....

 

[Retro Rob]

Orton, calling it quits:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/29/7460599/kyle-orton-retirement-bills-quarterback-ej-manuel

I think he pulled something similar in Dallas, and that's why I questioned buffalo even going after him.

Eh, was only a marginal player anyway IMO. He will not be missed.

 

[Phoenix86]

He pulled a bunch of shit in off season/training camp that told the team he simply didn't give a fuck and was cut.

 

[smackababy]

Eh, I think Orton was done already. He got offered job to possible start after he was going to retire and took it. He played well enough for Buffalo (who already relied on their defense and a QB to simply not screw up) and is now really done.

 

[manimal]

Orton, calling it quits:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/29/7460599/kyle-orton-retirement-bills-quarterback-ej-manuel

I think he pulled something similar in Dallas, and that's why I questioned buffalo even going after him.

Eh, was only a marginal player anyway IMO. He will not be missed.

Ortons body and mind wasnt in it but the lure of the money was too much. Could you resist 4 million to go get beat up when you could still walk?

If I was in the NFL I would play till they had to forcibly remove me from the building because of how fun it was and if there were MILLIONS of dollars why the hell wouldnt you want to play?

Another few million when you know your retiring is a big quality of life improvement while he did make good money hes no Peyton Manning cash wise.

 

[lupi]

Orton, calling it quits:

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/29/7460599/kyle-orton-retirement-bills-quarterback-ej-manuel

I think he pulled something similar in Dallas, and that's why I questioned buffalo even going after him.

Eh, was only a marginal player anyway IMO. He will not be missed.

the pic that had up of him during the studio show recap was so horrendous it was hilarious.

 

[manimal]

Orton went to go get his wallet and cleaned out his locker and Jetted missing the metting he was supposed to attend. No press confernce. Good bye NFL.
lol

 

[Imported]

Kinda want Trestman as the OC for the 49ers.. As for HC, I have no clue. Jed's gonna be a cheap ass and find a yes man like Nolan, Erickson, Singletary and bring us to a decade of suckitude again since he has his stadium now.

 

[manimal]

Kinda want Trestman as the OC for the 49ers.. As for HC, I have no clue. Jed's gonna be a cheap ass and find a yes man like Nolan, Erickson, Singletary and bring us to a decade of suckitude again since he has his stadium now.

Trestman would be a simple transition for the team too. When he was assistant there he Installed his system there and they still use the terminology /concepts even the play calls. The audible system they used was the same as trestmans supposedly as well.

 

[Childs]

Raiders should hire Rex.

 

[RPD]

Kinda want Trestman as the OC for the 49ers.. As for HC, I have no clue. Jed's gonna be a cheap ass and find a yes man like Nolan, Erickson, Singletary and bring us to a decade of suckitude again since he has his stadium now.

This, 49ers are going to be hanging out at the bottom of the division for the foreseeable future. I lost a lot of respect for the ownership on how they handled Jim.

During the Xmas break I talked about this with my brother in-laws, who are both die hard SF fans as well and they shed some light on the subject. I didn't realize just how much Jim didn't play ball (so to speak) with the ownership. I never read it in any stories but they said during the opening/ribbon cutting of the new stadium he was upset that he or any of his players needed to be present and instead should be preparing for the next game. As far as the rubbing the players the wrong way, I would think if pro players didn't like his methods, they would speak out about it, so in this off season we may hear about it. But the fact Gore said he had his best time playing for him says a LOT. I don't buy the "he's better for a college program because players move on after 3-4 years and don't get tired of his shtick".

I don't know how much of that is true, but if it is... I can't entirely blame the ownership, but if I owned a team all I would care about is winning and running a clean program (granted we had issues here as well). Sure they didn't do well this year, but after getting so close 3 years in a row, the key injuries during those times, I don't see how anyone could have asked for much more.

 

[smackababy]

From what I've seen, a lot of the players liked Harbaugh. Who was it that made a pick 6 and gave him the game ball? Perhaps, like isn't the right word. It seems like they respect him as a coach, which is all that is required.

I feel he didn't play ball, but that is how you get winning teams. Jimmy Johnson wouldn't play ball with Jerry Jones, and he built one of the best teams in recent history. Sure, Jerry eventually fired him and had a string of yes men that did nothing, but that is just case in point. Playing ball with the ownership doesn't work out, unless your team is owned by Mark Cuban.

 

[phreaqe]

PFT reporting that Suh is suspended for next week. I was not expecting that at all. I was hoping for it, but not expecting it.

Edit: nevermind, i will go post in the wildcard thread.

 

[Balt]

Ortons body and mind wasnt in it but the lure of the money was too much. Could you resist 4 million to go get beat up when you could still walk?

If I was in the NFL I would play till they had to forcibly remove me from the building because of how fun it was and if there were MILLIONS of dollars why the hell wouldnt you want to play?

Another few million when you know your retiring is a big quality of life improvement while he did make good money hes no Peyton Manning cash wise.

Orton wasn't an elite QB by any means, but looking around the league I'd say he was at least slightly above average in his career. Probably not a guy who's going to win a Super Bowl for you, but a decent guy to have as your #2. Maybe his heart wasn't in it, but think he still KINDA gave a crap. If you really want to see someone who didn't give a shit, that would be JaMarcus Russell.