Official World Cup Soccer Thread

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Daedalus685

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Still kills the atmosphere. Ever watch hockey? They seem to review every other goal these days. Ruins the entertainment aspect - GOOOOAL!!!!! Oh wait, let's sit and wait for 2 mins before celebrating. Yay?

Now, if they could implement an automated system, that somehow was able to give a reliable indication if the ball/puck was over the line - that would be sweet.

It doesn't kill the atmosphere. The only goals that are reviewed in hockey are questionable.. far stretch from every other goal, maybe every other game. It doesn't take long to check, fans are not such mindless boobs that they would mind a few seconds to ensure only legit goals are counted. They are still free to cheer their hearts out in iffy cases while they wait for the call.. Something that is often in hockey, I'd much rather the leafs (not that they will ever win again) win with legitimate goals and wait a couple minutes every now and then than risk missing something. It is not that big of a deal.
 

FallenHero

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It doesn't kill the atmosphere. The only goals that are reviewed in hockey are questionable.. far stretch from every other goal, maybe every other game. It doesn't take long to check, fans are not such mindless boobs that they would mind a few seconds to ensure only legit goals are counted. They are still free to cheer their hearts out in iffy cases while they wait for the call.. Something that is often in hockey, I'd much rather the leafs (not that they will ever win again) win with legitimate goals and wait a couple minutes every now and then than risk missing something. It is not that big of a deal.

This. Fans of the sport want to keep it honest and fair without sacrificing everything that has made the sport great. Review of goals or plays would not ruin the game and would certainly make the officiating more stable.
 

RedCOMET

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German keeper feels he ‘fooled the referee’
http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/wo...the-referee--fbintl_ro-germankeepr062710.html
BLOEMFONTEIN, South Africa – Germany goalkeeper Manuel Neuer admitted he “fooled” referee Jorge Larrionda into making the most controversial decision of the World Cup.

Neuer carried on playing even when Frank Lampard’s 38th-minute lob bounced over the line and appeared to give England a clear goal at Free State Stadium. The 24-year-old grabbed the ball and swiftly kicked it upfield as England’s disbelieving players rounded upon Larrionda and begged him to reconsider his decision.

“I didn’t react because I just wanted to concentrate on carrying on and making the game fast,” said Neuer, who plays for Schalke in the German Bundesliga. “I realized it was tight, but I was quite sure it was over the line. I think that perhaps the way I carried on so quickly fooled the referee and made him think it was not over.

“After the game I was in doping control and saw it on the television. And yes, of course it was over and should have been a goal for England. It was lucky for us and unlucky for them.”

And who says Sportsmanship and Integrity are dead at the International level.
 

Fingolfin269

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Still kills the atmosphere. Ever watch hockey? They seem to review every other goal these days. Ruins the entertainment aspect - GOOOOAL!!!!! Oh wait, let's sit and wait for 2 mins before celebrating. Yay?

Now, if they could implement an automated system, that somehow was able to give a reliable indication if the ball/puck was over the line - that would be sweet.

Preds season ticket holder here. It doesn't interrupt the flow of the game if they do it right and in hockey the normally do it right with very quick reviews. You know what interrupts the flow of the game? Officials screwing a team simply because they missed a call. I like replay because it benefits the players, the fans, and the officials.
 

RedCOMET

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It's called playing until the whistle is blown.

True.. but for a goal.. Come on. its one thing when people are fouling each other and playing rough its another thing when the ball clearly broke the plane of the line. Its not like the NFL where you have a shit ton of refs making sure things are called .

I'm just ranting.
 

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RedCOMET

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What did you expect him to do? Walk over to the ref and tell him "England just scored"? The Germans probably wouldn't have complained if the ref signaled the goal.

This is just payback from 66'.

Yeah. it would have made the game a hell of out lot more intersting. Think of the TV ratings, dude. I watch like the 15 minutes of the second half and then just shut it off.
 

sdifox

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Yeah. it would have made the game a hell of out lot more intersting. Think of the TV ratings, dude. I watch like the 15 minutes of the second half and then just shut it off.

what? I was watching til the end, hoping for a six pack
 

silverpig

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that goal that didn't count changed the entire game. it put england on the hardcore offensive to try and tie it up and regain momentum, leaving little defense. they were too overzealous and got burned because of it.

had the goal counted, it'd have been a completely different game.

But it would have still been a game where England was completely outclassed. They outplayed Germany for the last 10 minutes of the first half and that's it.

<-- not a German supporter
 

eits

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But it would have still been a game where England was completely outclassed. They outplayed Germany for the last 10 minutes of the first half and that's it.

<-- not a German supporter

first off, they outplayed them for longer than just the last 10 minutes of the first half

secondly, had germany made the same retarded coaching call england made, where they did a full press offense and had only two people on defense, they'd have probably fallen the same way england did. the only germany made those two extra goals were on breakaways where they caught england off-guard with hardly any defense because everyone was trying to force an equalizer.

yes, germany has a younger, stronger, taller team, but that doesn't necessarily mean they'd have won had england kept playing the way they were whenever that second goal was taken from them. the game would have had a different outcome. they could have moved to a 4-2-4 or even a 3-4-3 and things would have probably been less devastating. they wouldn't have pressed NEARLY as much. instead, because they were down, they elected to move to, what seemed like, a 4-4-2, which is a colossal mistake when playing an offensive strike powerhouse like germany, especially with a superior class striker like klose. the man plays on a different echelon of soccer. to leave your backfield as unguarded as to only have, what seemed to be, just two fullbacks is completely beyond me.

different thought:

today, i realized... the world would be in HUGE trouble if we didn't have rednecks/ghettos. socioeconomy aside, if we had more people who were willing to sign their kids up to play soccer and actually see their potential as football (real football) players, our team would be so goddamn stacked it wouldn't be funny. instead, we end up with people who run a 4.2 second 40 yard dash, faster than any other soccer player i've ever heard of (even though the rest of the world uses metric) and can jump ridiculously high. given these qualities, had players been given the opportunities to play proper football every other country in the world does, we'd be dominant.

instead, out star players are donovan and dempsey... really good players and all, but not quite to the caliber of klose, messi, baggio, ronaldo (not the bitchass portuguese one, but i guess him too), etc, but still pretty damn good. would you imagine the potential talent the united states could have on their team if we just put more money into this sport nationwide and parents started enrolling their kids in this sport rather than one of the most dangerous sports on the planet (fake football)? unstoppable.

we just haven't had the opportunity of pick from a veritable pool of amazing players because they're enrolled in other sports that are more "socially acceptable" to play, like basketball, hockey, or fake football.



another sidenote: if we're gonna start calling 1-0 "one to nil," then there's no goddamn good reason we can't change "soccer" to "football". if, suddenly, for a football game, a score of "zero" becomes "nil" just because it's football, then we should just start calling soccer "football" and football "tackleball" or something. something i've always wondered since i was about 4 or 5... football isn't played with feet, so why the hell call it football?

you ever meet someone who absolutely refuses to change his mind because, even though he knows his point of view is wrong, he still holds onto his illogical point of view for dear life out of stubbornness and fear of being wrong? yeah... we're that asshole.
 

Mardeth

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today, i realized... the world would be in HUGE trouble if we didn't have rednecks/ghettos. socioeconomy aside, if we had more people who were willing to sign their kids up to play soccer and actually see their potential as football (real football) players, our team would be so goddamn stacked it wouldn't be funny. instead, we end up with people who run a 4.2 second 40 yard dash, faster than any other soccer player i've ever heard of (even though the rest of the world uses metric) and can jump ridiculously high. given these qualities, had players been given the opportunities to play proper football every other country in the world does, we'd be dominant.

If you started investing heavily in football now it would still take 20-30 years before youd start to see real results. Also, Im not so convinced that youd be dominant. A lot of these top countries put "everything" they got into football. While they dont have the resources you do, they put most of it into one basket, football. If youd be as focused as for example Brasil, youd be number one but your other sports would suffer greatly.

And you cant really compare speeds between american footballers and footballers. In one your role is very specialized and one dimensional and in the other its more balanced. For strikers your only as fast as you can run while dribbling. Technique, heading, shooting, set pieces, strength, dribbling, defending, stamina, tackling etc. all have to be trained and in good shape and it takes away from speed training and more importantly the most talented in the speed aspect rarely are very in good in the other areas.
 

Zebo

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If you started investing heavily in football now it would still take 20-30 years before youd start to see real results. Also, Im not so convinced that youd be dominant. A lot of these top countries put "everything" they got into football. While they dont have the resources you do, they put most of it into one basket, football. If youd be as focused as for example Brasil, youd be number one but your other sports would suffer greatly.

And you cant really compare speeds between american footballers and footballers. In one your role is very specialized and one dimensional and in the other its more balanced. For strikers your only as fast as you can run while dribbling. Technique, heading, shooting, set pieces, strength, dribbling, defending, stamina, tackling etc. all have to be trained and in good shape and it takes away from speed training and more importantly the most talented in the speed aspect rarely are very in good in the other areas.

Technique can be trained with drilling and playing. You can't train speed quickness and athleticism. And US and Jamaican athletes are the most gifted in the world period. We have dominated sprinting from 100-800m since day 1 in Olympics and many NFL players did run Olympic track and many many more could if it had any profit in it. international Soccer players not so much. Everyone who is or was a former athlete knows we send halfletes who could not make mainstream sports in US and are guided into soccer by virtue of their incompetence. Quite simply we send our worst specimens they send their best specimens in the gene pool.

No I'm afraid if we devoted our athletes to soccer it would be just like our dominance in any other hyper athletic event like basketball and track world attempts to compete in, no competition.

Someone like Barry Sanders would make Maradona look mediocre.
 
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Jodell88

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Technique can be trained with drilling and playing. You can't train speed quickness and athleticism. And US and Jamaican athletes are the most gifted in the world period. We have dominated sprinting from 100-800m since day 1 in Olympics and many NFL players did run Olympic track and many many more could if it had any profit in it. international Soccer players not so much. Everyone who is or was a former athlete knows we send halfletes who could not make mainstream sports in US and are guided into soccer by virtue of their incompetence. Quite simply we send our worst specimens they send their best specimens in the gene pool.

No I'm afraid if we devoted our athletes to soccer it would be just like our dominance in any other hyper athletic event like basketball and track world attempts to compete in, no competition.

Someone like Barry Sanders would make Maradona look mediocre.
lol you're funny :biggrin:

The only sport the USA has dominated in is Basketball, and now you're not so dominant. NFL and baseball doesn't count because its really only Americans that play them.
 

Double Trouble

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All this discussion of instant replay and all that crap: NO. No, no, no, a thousand times no. Mistakes are a part of the game. Players make them, officials make them, and that's just how it goes.

I'd absolutely hate to create the same problem in football that we have in US football now: someone makes a big play (like scores a touchdown), but you really can't celebrate because it's inevitably going to be reviewed so you have to wait and see what happened. No way.

The only change I'd be on board with would be to have an automated instant indicator (like in hockey) that buzzes the ref in his ear when there's a goal. In other words, it's instant, and the game doesn't have to be stopped because of it. I'm against all other "reviews". It's not a friggin' court room, it's a game.
 

Mardeth

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Totally disagree with you Zebo, US is not anymore talented than other countries. What you have is 310 million people of a wide variety of different ethnic backrounds and a shitload of money. You have the sheer numbers to produce big talents and you have the infrastructure to support them so these talents arent wasted. I view talent and being gifted in terms of country vs. country as relative not absolute. Samoas are more gifted than US (AMERICAN) footballers. Jamaicans are gifted runners. Finns are gifted poker players (or whatever ).

Also football isnt as much physical attributes like american football. Had to check who Barry Sanders was since I hadnt heard of him, and he seems like talented athlete, explosive and fast. Would he make Maradona look mediocre? lol... Does he have the eye-leg co-ordination, creativity, game "eye", stamina, heading etc. to be better than maradona? By all likelyhood, not at all...

And basketball... In every other country that matters its a third tier sport at best. No one else takes its seriously...

EDIT: I thought I had heard of Barry Sanders and I was right!

I murder you and laugh
I'm Barry Sanders slashing through the path
you a magician's assistant, I'm sawin' you in half
you a heathan that rely on the beast
I'm a demon at the fire crucifyin' the priest
 
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Jodell88

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All this discussion of instant replay and all that crap: NO. No, no, no, a thousand times no. Mistakes are a part of the game. Players make them, officials make them, and that's just how it goes.

I'd absolutely hate to create the same problem in football that we have in US football now: someone makes a big play (like scores a touchdown), but you really can't celebrate because it's inevitably going to be reviewed so you have to wait and see what happened. No way.

The only change I'd be on board with would be to have an automated instant indicator (like in hockey) that buzzes the ref in his ear when there's a goal. In other words, it's instant, and the game doesn't have to be stopped because of it. I'm against all other "reviews". It's not a friggin' court room, it's a game.
I remember a couple years ago they were testing technology like that. I have no idea what became of it though.
 

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All this discussion of instant replay and all that crap: NO. No, no, no, a thousand times no. Mistakes are a part of the game. Players make them, officials make them, and that's just how it goes.

I'd absolutely hate to create the same problem in football that we have in US football now: someone makes a big play (like scores a touchdown), but you really can't celebrate because it's inevitably going to be reviewed so you have to wait and see what happened. No way.

The only change I'd be on board with would be to have an automated instant indicator (like in hockey) that buzzes the ref in his ear when there's a goal. In other words, it's instant, and the game doesn't have to be stopped because of it. I'm against all other "reviews". It's not a friggin' court room, it's a game.

From your description it doesn't sound like you even watch American football. Very few plays are reviewed, even big plays, unless there was an apparent reversible error.

Considering how little scoring there is in soccer, it the benefit of getting the call right on a goal-scoring play seems pretty critical. Refusing to accept beneficial technology because "mistakes are part of the game" is beyond idiotic. The outcomes of games at the World Cup have been altered because of mistakes. How in the world is that desirable?
 

silverpig

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first off, they outplayed them for longer than just the last 10 minutes of the first half

Hardly. England couldn't string together more than 2 passes to save their lives. Who was going to do the rest of the scoring for them? Rooney?

You can't tell me that one goal would have made a difference in a 4-1 game. Your rationalization is just stringing together a whole bunch of ifs.

If they had gotten one more goal, and if they hadn't let Germany score two more after that, then they'd only have to get one more goal to win!

Geez, if the Seahawks hadn't lost all those games last year, they'd have won the Super Bowl!
 
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