Official World Cup Soccer Thread

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JHoNNy1OoO

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Man I really feel for that defenseman that missed. Never scored a goal in his life and they put him up there. WTF was the coach thinking with so many other strikers available. Extra time was quite exciting since it opened up the game with tired players. Gratz Paraguay!
 

akshatp

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Another south american team through,anyway we have some great games lined up for the very near future .

Not to mention Spain v Portugal still to play in this round! Somebody take my temperature Ive got serious World Cup Fever!
 

akshatp

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Man I really feel for that defenseman that missed. Never scored a goal in his life and they put him up there. WTF was the coach thinking with so many other strikers available. Extra time was quite exciting since it opened up the game with tired players. Gratz Paraguay!

He was going to have to go up eventually. Easier to do it 3rd with less pressure than a "do or die" kick. Unfortunately, he still missed.
 

Gooberlx2

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the japanese player who missed.... he should be very ashamed of himself. It's a fucking penalty kick and there's no reason you should miss at the pro level unless it gets defended by the goalie

pffftt...it doesn't even compare to Roberto Baggio's shank in '94.
 

Mem

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the japanese player who missed.... he should be very ashamed of himself. It's a fucking penalty kick and there's no reason you should miss at the pro level unless it gets defended by the goalie

It's easy to say that from your sofa and TV but taking penalties at the world cup with nerves and tiredness its a different story,there have been quite a few famous/great players that have missed penalties and it will happen again.

Another factor is the ball is lighter then previous world cup balls ie... it goes up higher then you expect.
 

JHoNNy1OoO

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He was going to have to go up eventually. Easier to do it 3rd with less pressure than a "do or die" kick. Unfortunately, he still missed.

I understand the eventuality of the situation but, you at least want to get to the point of "do or die" and putting in people that have actually scored goals first would be a good way of getting there. Just have to wonder tactically what the coach was thinking. I don't think there is ever "less" pressure when taking PK's at the World Cup.
 

Dear Summer

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It's easy to say that from your sofa and TV but taking penalties at the world cup with nerves and tiredness its a different story,there have been quite a few famous/great players that have missed penalties and it will happen again.

Another factor is the ball is lighter then previous world cup balls ie... it goes up higher then you expect.

these are professional athletes we are talking about. They have been playing football their whole life and should be prepared for this type of shit. I am sad that Japan lost and I blame the coach for putting in that defender who has never scored a goal in his life
 

yuchai

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these are professional athletes we are talking about. They have been playing football their whole life and should be prepared for this type of shit. I am sad that Japan lost and I blame the coach for putting in that defender who has never scored a goal in his life

What's the big fuss? His penalty was fairly well taken..he was a bit unlucky to hit the bar.

I've seen plenty of worse penalties taken by better players..
 

Mem

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these are professional athletes we are talking about. They have been playing football their whole life and should be prepared for this type of shit. I am sad that Japan lost and I blame the coach for putting in that defender who has never scored a goal in his life


Do you watch football?..how many times have we seen good/great players from various world cup teams miss great chances in the world cup let alone penalties,end of the day they are only human no matter how professional or how much training they get.

Btw you can't really blame the coach,he can't guarantee the player or any player will score,its down to the player at the end of the day.
 
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Damn, Japan played very well throughout this whole tournament. I really think they deserved to win. Oh well, congratz to them.

Damn you, Paraguay! >=[
 

KeithTalent

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A real shame, I was cheering very hard for Japan and I thought they played well throughout. I love how they play, plus I like the country a lot.

I really dislike penalty kicks.

KT
 

JHoNNy1OoO

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Do you watch football?..how many times have we seen good/great players from various world cup teams miss great chances in the world cup let alone penalties,end of the day they are only human no matter how professional or how much training they get.

Btw you can't really blame the coach,he can't guarantee the player or any player will score,its down to the player at the end of the day.

It's not about guaranteeing they score, it's about setting yourself up with the best possible players TO score. If they went to the 10th penalty kick and they HAD to use Komano and he missed it the way he did, then it was his responsibility.

The coach needs to put players in the best possible scenario for themselves and the team. You do not send out a player who has NEVER scored internationally in the first round of PK's to determine if you get eliminated or go through. It was stupid.

Anyways, onto Portugal vs Spain! GOOO SPAIN! Torres better show up tonight.
 

Mem

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It's not about guaranteeing they score, it's about setting yourself up with the best possible players TO score. If they went to the 10th penalty kick and they HAD to use Komano and he missed it the way he did, then it was his responsibility.

The coach needs to put players in the best possible scenario for themselves and the team. You do not send out a player who has NEVER scored internationally in the first round of PK's to determine if you get eliminated or go through. It was stupid.

Anyways, onto Portugal vs Spain! GOOO SPAIN! Torres better show up tonight.


Regardless you can have the ten best players taking penalties,however does not mean they are all going to score ie 10/10,there is the unknown element involved ie goalkeeper dives right way and saves,misses etc..
 

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I understand the eventuality of the situation but, you at least want to get to the point of "do or die" and putting in people that have actually scored goals first would be a good way of getting there. Just have to wonder tactically what the coach was thinking. I don't think there is ever "less" pressure when taking PK's at the World Cup.

Obviously, the coach should know his team better than those of us watching TV, but I think people are complaining because it's unlikely that this defender with 0 lifetime goals is in the top 5 of 11 for penalty taking. And no, obviously, everyone doesn't have to go if Paraguay misses since it's 5 PKs and only more if it's tied after 5. I would have thought that some of those wingers or midfielders or whatever are more used to shooting the ball towards the goal but who knows? I don't follow the Japanese team to know much about them..

The shot itself wasn't that bad. A few inches the other way and it could have bounced the other way off the post.
 

iCyborg

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It's not about guaranteeing they score, it's about setting yourself up with the best possible players TO score. If they went to the 10th penalty kick and they HAD to use Komano and he missed it the way he did, then it was his responsibility.

The coach needs to put players in the best possible scenario for themselves and the team. You do not send out a player who has NEVER scored internationally in the first round of PK's to determine if you get eliminated or go through. It was stupid.
They HAVE put their best players to score, all the teams practice penalties and have a good idea which players are mentally the most stable to take those shots. Maybe he does that often for his club, or was good in trainings, who knows.

It's not fair to criticize after-the-fact that this is the reason he missed, because there are multiple examples where top players/scorers did the same, e.g. Maradona in 1990 missed a penalty in 1/4 final being the best player in the world at the time, R. Baggio in 1994 finals (and he was taking all penalties in regular play), Beckham who scored many goals from free kicks missed the complete goal from a penalty on one occasion etc. Saying that it's unacceptable to miss the goal on that level is a misunderstanding of the kind of stress these guys are under with half the world watching...

And all said and done, penalties are mostly luck. The Japanese GK went to the right side in the first 2 shots, but they were too accurate. In the next 3, he picked the wrong side, and in almost all of them, esp. third and fourth, if he had guessed the right side, he would have made the save, the penalties were quite meekly executed.
 

KeithTalent

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Damn it! Spain could have scored like 5!

Yeah, but Portugal could have scored a couple there too. Good first half. Spain dominated possession, but they got pressed on the counter quite a bit.

Going to be a tense second half.

KT
 

ShadowOfMyself

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Spain could have scored 3 goals right at the start, but in the later half, Portugal had most of the chances, so its pretty even so far

Portugal always plays like this against "top" teams, its like they go into the game afraid of losing, so they play too defensively... Should be much better in 2nd half, now that they know they can match Spain equally

And again, you might have seen the godly saves from Portuguese goalkeeper right at the start... heres a fun fact: Portugal has never lost a game since he became their goalie lol (15 games so far) I still think Spain is the favourite, but we shall see
 
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