Official World Cup Soccer Thread

[FallenHero]

Exactly. This is because their technical abilities are terrible. They can't dominate possesion because they can't pass...The first touches are terrible.

I don't know if I would qualify them as "terrible" as "not as patient." US Soccer in general tends to be very very fast paced. They attack when they should hold, they hold when they should pass back...and they pass back only because no other option exists, anywhere. Instead of switching the field, setting up for an easier pass and making the other team respond, US soccer is more towards making the big play. Their first touch isn't to open up space, but more to begin the attack. It makes it easy to defend because they always go for goal. As someone else said, they are great at the counter attack...because they play for the counter attack all game. They don't have anything else. Until the US gets a coach and a culture of holding the ball and play developing WITH PATIENCE, they are not going to be anywhere near getting a world cup.

 

[FallenHero]

OH BTW, it is indeed a beautiful game.

http://www.wimp.com/teamworkgoals/

 

[monkeh624]

limey bastards......

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/...urning-by-liverpool-fans-should-incense-yanks

On behalf of my fellow countrymen, I would like to apologise for these narrow minded, ignorant fools. There's never any excuse for the burning of any flag imo. It's even worse when the morans do it to an ally....

 

[Zargon]

ha, well thank you

obviously I dont hold it against your whole country, we have tons of backwoods dumbasses here too

 

[Zargon]

I don't know if I would qualify them as "terrible" as "not as patient." US Soccer in general tends to be very very fast paced. They attack when they should hold, they hold when they should pass back...and they pass back only because no other option exists, anywhere. Instead of switching the field, setting up for an easier pass and making the other team respond, US soccer is more towards making the big play. Their first touch isn't to open up space, but more to begin the attack. It makes it easy to defend because they always go for goal. As someone else said, they are great at the counter attack...because they play for the counter attack all game. They don't have anything else. Until the US gets a coach and a culture of holding the ball and play developing WITH PATIENCE, they are not going to be anywhere near getting a world cup.

we need juergen........

 

[FallenHero]

we need juergen........

Your telling me. The Coaches we get simply astound me. They grew up on the old "dump and run" US system that taught many good players and coaches poor habits, and then they try to transition it to the world stage. Then when they fail, they are surprised by the results. It will be a good 20-30 years before a solid coach comes out of the US that understands the game enough to take on the world and have the players to pull it off.

 

[wheresmybacon]

I don't know if I would qualify them as "terrible" as "not as patient." US Soccer in general tends to be very very fast paced. They attack when they should hold, they hold when they should pass back...and they pass back only because no other option exists, anywhere. Instead of switching the field, setting up for an easier pass and making the other team respond, US soccer is more towards making the big play. Their first touch isn't to open up space, but more to begin the attack. It makes it easy to defend because they always go for goal. As someone else said, they are great at the counter attack...because they play for the counter attack all game. They don't have anything else. Until the US gets a coach and a culture of holding the ball and play developing WITH PATIENCE, they are not going to be anywhere near getting a world cup.

I generally agree with your take on the US style, but I don’t agree that a change to a more patient, possession-oriented game is required for winning. There are a few reasons for that, the most glaring of which is we simply don’t have the talent to play possession ball like Italy or Brasil. We’re at our best when guys like Donovan or Dempsey are running at the defense with numbers by virtue of a counterattack.

First touch is something independent of style of play; we need to work on that collectively, but there’s not a lot you can do at this level to coach touch. It’s like fixing Shawn Marion’s jumper…you just deal with the ugly and hope it works.

We are what we are. We’ve got some guys with incredible pace and skill, and we’ve got some others that make me nervous as shit even handling the ball (Bocanegra, Onyewu). IMO we play the counterattack and play directly, often, because it gives us the best chance to win.

My beef with US coaching has much more to do with personnel and playing time decisions than style of play.

 

[KMFJD]

It will be fun to read the british papers if they lose...

 

[GasX]

OH BTW, it is indeed a beautiful game.

http://www.wimp.com/teamworkgoals/

OK, that was an awesomely awesome video. It ends with the greatest team goal of all time, but it does not show it in all its glory.

Behold the ultimate team goal: 26 fucking passes

 

[Zargon]

Your telling me. The Coaches we get simply astound me. They grew up on the old "dump and run" US system that taught many good players and coaches poor habits, and then they try to transition it to the world stage. Then when they fail, they are surprised by the results. It will be a good 20-30 years before a solid coach comes out of the US that understands the game enough to take on the world and have the players to pull it off.

Bradley isnt all bad IMHO, he was done a great job ditching lots of old crap players and finding some great young talent, which really is his current #1 job doing a rebuild of the US program

he is also pushing away from the awful run down the line and cross in style of lay that just sucks, especuially with guys like dempsey and donavon in the mix

move down the line sure, then bring it inside at 20-25m and set up a guy for a nice shot, and pounce on the rebound.

I am hoping that Claudio Reyna decides he wants to coach soccer, as he was a great on field coach/captain....I think he might have what it takes to be a great coach

Arena was a real POS coach.

 

[daw123]

he wasnt going to play much anyways

davies is who we will miss

I hope to god we get out of group play.

and beat england.......

Keep dreaming.

Hahaha, England are going to mess you up.

:thumbsup:

 

[FallenHero]

Bradley isnt all bad IMHO, he was done a great job ditching lots of old crap players and finding some great young talent, which really is his current #1 job doing a rebuild of the US program

he is also pushing away from the awful run down the line and cross in style of lay that just sucks, especuially with guys like dempsey and donavon in the mix

move down the line sure, then bring it inside at 20-25m and set up a guy for a nice shot, and pounce on the rebound.

I am hoping that Claudio Reyna decides he wants to coach soccer, as he was a great on field coach/captain....I think he might have what it takes to be a great coach

Arena was a real POS coach.

I just don't trust any coach that was raised on the US style of play. Just my opinion, as I obviously am not picking who is the coach.

 

[FallenHero]

I generally agree with your take on the US style, but I don’t agree that a change to a more patient, possession-oriented game is required for winning. There are a few reasons for that, the most glaring of which is we simply don’t have the talent to play possession ball like Italy or Brasil. We’re at our best when guys like Donovan or Dempsey are running at the defense with numbers by virtue of a counterattack.

First touch is something independent of style of play; we need to work on that collectively, but there’s not a lot you can do at this level to coach touch. It’s like fixing Shawn Marion’s jumper…you just deal with the ugly and hope it works.

We are what we are. We’ve got some guys with incredible pace and skill, and we’ve got some others that make me nervous as shit even handling the ball (Bocanegra, Onyewu). IMO we play the counterattack and play directly, often, because it gives us the best chance to win.

My beef with US coaching has much more to do with personnel and playing time decisions than style of play.

I'll agree with you there. Arena was terrible and maybe has soured my taste a bit for US coaching. I'll see what this group brings to the table, but I still distrust the US coaching decisions.

Still...

USA! USA! USA!

deutschland! deutschland! deutschland!

 

[Zargon]

I just don't trust any coach that was raised on the US style of play. Just my opinion, as I obviously am not picking who is the coach.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-bergmann/can-bob-bradley-pull-the_b_607297.html


everyone seems to agree the england game, and this cup, will make or break this career

 

[sdifox]

It will be fun to read the british papers if they lose...

They got blinders on.They still believe they are on HMS Invincible.

 

[sdifox]

CBC's schedule

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifaworldcup/broadcast.html

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

OK, that was an awesomely awesome video. It ends with the greatest team goal of all time, but it does not show it in all its glory.

Behold the ultimate team goal: 26 fucking passes

aren't most goals like that?
the first 23 passes are advancing the ball and preventing a defender from stealing it.

 

[daw123]

aren't most goals like that?
the first 23 passes are advancing the ball and preventing a defender from stealing it.

Correct. There really wasn't anything spectacular about that goal. Pretty ordinary imo.

 

[GasX]

Correct. There really wasn't anything spectacular about that goal. Pretty ordinary imo.

aren't most goals like that?
the first 23 passes are advancing the ball and preventing a defender from stealing it.

When presented with the last at bat of Dimaggio's 56 game hitting streak, do you just look at it as a normal hit?

What makes it such a great goal is the fact that play was developed so patiently and that nearly the entire team touched it while continuously advancing the ball towards the goal. Mind you, there were eleven guys trying to get the ball the whole time and not once did any of them touch the ball. It's extraordinarily rare to see 26 passes strung together with a goal at the end.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

sorry, greatness not found.

 

[daw123]

sorry, greatness not found.

Yep.

 

[pyonir]

Thought this was a pretty funny little blog post on Yahoo. The Brazilian refs are learning a list of 20 naughty English words for the match on Saturday.

http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/wo...-naughty-words-to-catch-Rooney?urn=sow,247247

 

[GasX]

Thought this was a pretty funny little blog post on Yahoo. The Brazilian refs are learning a list of 20 naughty English words for the match on Saturday.

http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/wo...-naughty-words-to-catch-Rooney?urn=sow,247247

So much good material will not be on any such list.

Sod off turd gurgler!
Your mothers straps mattresses to her back and swims out to troops ships!
Hey ref, trombone any chocolate starfish today?
feel free to add your own...

 

[GasX]

sorry, greatness not found.

fair enough. I have a drinking game for you. Every time the USA gets the ball and loses possession before making three consecutive passes, take a drink of your beer. You'll be asleep in a pile of vomit by half time.

 

[Atheus]

the first 23 passes are advancing the ball and preventing a defender from stealing it.

Don't watch the ball, watch the players advance and move into position. That is a single phase of attacking play.

It's not the best 'team' goal ever though, whoever said that...