****OFFICIAL WORLD SERIES THREAD 2008****

Page 11 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Extelleron

Diamond Member
Dec 26, 2005
3,127
0
71
Cheers for arguably the worst call I've ever seen in the last inning, ending with the Rays scoring a run they shouldn't have.

And once again the Phillies offense falls flat on its face again. Unless they change big time, the only way they are going to win is if their pitchers can keep the Rays to 1-2 runs per game, which outside of Hamels pitching is not going to happen.
 

jalaram

Lifer
Aug 14, 2000
12,920
2
81
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Cheers for arguably the worst call I've ever seen in the last inning, ending with the Rays scoring a run they shouldn't have.

And once again the Phillies offense falls flat on its face again. Unless they change big time, the only way they are going to win is if their pitchers can keep the Rays to 1-2 runs per game, which outside of Hamels pitching is not going to happen.

I didn't think he swung through, but that was a weird call nonetheless. Steeeeeriiii... Let's appeal to first base.

It's only the fourth inning. Don't jinx the Rays by saying that the Phillies offense is flat. Howard is actually starting to hit it well now.
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
46,539
9,865
146
:music: As the innings dwindle down to a precious few. :music:
 

raystorm

Diamond Member
Apr 24, 2001
4,712
2
0
Phillies are making things interesting here in the 9th. I don't care for Maddon leaving Price in there but what the hell do I know.
 

raystorm

Diamond Member
Apr 24, 2001
4,712
2
0
Yep..I don't know shit. lol Rays win and the series is tied. Good. I hope the series goes 7 games.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
27,928
142
106
If the Phillies can even remotely figure out what a "clutch hit" is, then they might have a prayer. They had runners on in almost every inning. Jesus. Somebody find out where Lenny Dykstra lives and steal some DNA from him to inject into this team, they need to get some balls stat.
 

raystorm

Diamond Member
Apr 24, 2001
4,712
2
0
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If the Phillies can even remotely figure out what a "clutch hit" is, then they might have a prayer. They had runners on in almost every inning. Jesus. Somebody find out where Lenny Dykstra lives and steal some DNA from him to inject into this team, they need to get some balls stat.

Ryan Howard especially hasn't done anything. Rollins hasn't done much either.



Love Nails!!! Dykstra is a riot and was so fun to watch play. Probably the only thing Mets and Phillies fans will agree to.
 

jalaram

Lifer
Aug 14, 2000
12,920
2
81
Originally posted by: raystorm
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If the Phillies can even remotely figure out what a "clutch hit" is, then they might have a prayer. They had runners on in almost every inning. Jesus. Somebody find out where Lenny Dykstra lives and steal some DNA from him to inject into this team, they need to get some balls stat.

Ryan Howard especially hasn't done anything. Rollins hasn't done much either.



Love Nails!!! Dykstra is a riot and was so fun to watch play. Probably the only thing Mets and Phillies fans will agree to.

And opposing CFs hated him because the amount of tobacco he would chew. Andy Van Slyke called it like a nuclear waste dump after Dysktra was in the field.

I'm wondering how much of the Phillies problems is due to themselves and how much to the Rays pitchers actually kicking it up a notch once they got into trouble. When nobody's on base, they're reading the pitches pretty well. Let's see if things change when they reach the friendly, cold, outdoor confines of CB Park.
 

jalaram

Lifer
Aug 14, 2000
12,920
2
81
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wonder how bad the ratings are for this series?

Google leads to this for Game 1

NEW YORK (AP) ? Television ratings for Game 1 of the World Series were down from last year.

The Philadelphia Phillies' 3-2 win over the Tampa Bay Rays on Fox on Wednesday night earned a 9.2 rating and 15 share, the network said Thursday.

That's down 12 percent from the 10.5 for the 2007 Game 1 between the Boston Red Sox and Colorado Rockies, but up 15 percent from the 8.0 for Cardinals-Tigers two years ago.

The rating is the percentage watching a program among homes with televisions, and the share is the percentage tuned into the broadcast among those households with TVs on at the time.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
27,928
142
106
Originally posted by: jalaram
Originally posted by: raystorm
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If the Phillies can even remotely figure out what a "clutch hit" is, then they might have a prayer. They had runners on in almost every inning. Jesus. Somebody find out where Lenny Dykstra lives and steal some DNA from him to inject into this team, they need to get some balls stat.

Ryan Howard especially hasn't done anything. Rollins hasn't done much either.



Love Nails!!! Dykstra is a riot and was so fun to watch play. Probably the only thing Mets and Phillies fans will agree to.

And opposing CFs hated him because the amount of tobacco he would chew. Andy Van Slyke called it like a nuclear waste dump after Dysktra was in the field.

I'm wondering how much of the Phillies problems is due to themselves and how much to the Rays pitchers actually kicking it up a notch once they got into trouble. When nobody's on base, they're reading the pitches pretty well. Let's see if things change when they reach the friendly, cold, outdoor confines of CB Park.
Yes, I heard Nails chewed like there was no tomorrow, he was a crazy mofo. He would break his collarbone crashing into the wall just to make a play. He was a helluva player, even finding out he did HGH didn't diminish my opinion of him. Easily my fav player from the 90's Phils.

Yes, now TB has to go to the CIT. Hopefully the Liberty Bell will be ringing, but I predicted that Tampa will take 2 of 3 there to take a commanding 3-2 lead back home for the final two. Nope, I don't have much confidence in Moyer or Blanton.




 

OdiN

Banned
Mar 1, 2000
16,430
3
0
Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: Kev
Game 5 tickets baby! Phillies in 5!

This man's on crack! Rays in 6!

srsly!

Strange to see that the TV ratings are down from when my Rox played last year - but I guess with the Sox fans viewing....I think the Rox would have beat this years Sox team.
 

brandonbull

Diamond Member
May 3, 2005
6,338
1,215
126
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: Kev
Game 5 tickets baby! Phillies in 5!

This man's on crack! Rays in 6!

srsly!

Strange to see that the TV ratings are down from when my Rox played last year - but I guess with the Sox fans viewing....I think the Rox would have beat this years Sox team.

What's surprising about the viewership numbers? The RSN is the biggest collection of front runners and only speak when their team is winning big time. Glad to see ZERO people could show up to greet/cheer the Sox after they returned home from the game 7 loss to the Rays.
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
46,539
9,865
146
Excellent, balanced article on the respective bullpens:

PHILADELPHIA -- If this World Series returns to St. Petersburg, it may -- with all due respect to Cole Hamels and James Shields -- turn into a bullpen series. Which is why it was so important that Brett Myers gutted out seven innings and required only three outs from one reliever in Game 2, and why both managers are watching The Weather Channel.

Philadelphia led the National League in bullpen ERA (3.19) and save percentage (76 percent). Tampa Bay had the identical save percentage, and was third in the American League in relief ERA at 3.55.

But what is interesting is that Charlie Manuel and Joe Maddon have diametrically opposite bullpen frameworks since Troy Percival went down. Manuel and pitching coach Rich Dubee have done a superb job structuring their 'pen. Chad Durbin, J.C. Romero and Scott Eyre are the set-up men to get to Ryan Madson in the eighth and Brad Lidge in the ninth; Lidge has 47 straight saves and never had to pitch in the eighth, and he and Madson have an ERA under 0.70 since the first of September.

"We pretty much set it up the same way as often as we can," says Manuel, who with Myers getting 21 outs and the off day is well-positioned for the final five games of the series. "It's not just Madson, although he's been great. Those others have done a tremendous job for us."

'Pens in postseason
PHILLIES RAYS
G 11 13
W-L 1-0 1-1
ERA 1.71 3.00
SV 6 2
IP 31.2 39.0
H 26 30
BB 15 23
K 30 44

In contrast, the Rays' bullpen, which melted down in Game 5 of the ALCS in Boston, has otherwise been superb without Percival. In Game 2 Thursday in St. Pete, Maddon brought in David Price in the seventh and left him in the game to get seven outs. He brought Price in with the bases loaded in Game 6 of the ALCS to strike out J.D. Drew, and left him in for the four-out save. In the ALCS Price was brought into the game in the 11th inning for two outs, and got the win, which means his first save and win as a major leaguer came in the playoffs against the defending world champions.

In this postseason Maddon has brought Grant Balfour into games in the fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth and ninth innings. He has used J.P. Howell in every inning from the fifth to the ninth, Chad Bradford in every inning from the sixth to the ninth, and Dan Wheeler in every inning from the sixth through the ninth. The bullpen has pitched 39 innings in 13 games, Howell is the only one with as many as 10 innings pitched, and Price and Wheeler have split the team's two postseason saves.

"This is fun; just playing in this is the time of my life," says Price, whose seven-out closing job Thursday was vintage Rich Gossage, in case you'd forgotten that Gossage came into the '78 playoff game at Fenway Park in the seventh inning.

It's been since 1975 and the Big Red Machine with Rawlins Eastwick III and Will McEnaney that a World Series champion did not have a designated closer. So in some ways, Maddon has become the sabermetric poster boy for all those who believe in bullpen by committee.

"Sometimes, you have to make do with what you have," says Maddon. "A prominent, proven closer is great to have, but they're also going to be very expensive, which might not fit for a lot of teams, because of the cost and the risk. But to make this work, you really need a couple of components.

"The first," says Maddon, "is to have four or five guys who aren't afraid of the ninth inning. For instance, no one would throw Howell into a discussion of the best relievers, but he's been that for us; he's gotten as many big outs at the end of games for us as anyone, and he can pitch at any juncture of the game. To be honest, there aren't a lot of guys like Mariano Rivera who stay calm and close out the ninth inning with ease. Finding four or five who can do it is very important.

"Obviously, stuff is important. So is makeup. But to make this work you have to have several guys who can finish an inning, sit down, then get back out and get an out or two in the next inning. We have that. One of the things we want to try to do in our organization is to try to develop those guys. We're too geared to getting guys in to start and finish one inning, but not sit and get back up. I believe that can be done in the minor leagues. Pitchers can be trained and conditioned to come in, close out an inning, sit down and go back out for more outs, rather than throw a finite number of pitches for one inning then call it a day."

Price obviously is going into the Tampa Bay rotation next season, but look for the Rays to take a big, hard-throwing lefty like Jake McGee -- who is coming off Tommy John surgery -- to try that role. Maddon says McGee throws harder than Price, and he sees McGee being used in important roles out of the pen once he learns how to pitch, sit and pitch again.

It's been a long time since Eastwick gave up the Bernie Carbo homer in the eighth inning trying to close out the '75 series in Game 6, but McEnaney succeeded in Game 7. Perhaps Maddon has latched onto something in terms of building a bullpen from Class A ball on up, detaching clubs from the strict closer position that can melt faster than one can say "Salomon Torres," as well as eliminating even the thought of having to invest $75M in Francisco Rodriguez.

The Phillies have arguably the best end game in the majors. But the Rays have given several other organizations a way to look at the end of games for years to come.

Espn Insider Subscription Link.
 

jonnyjack

Platinum Member
Oct 13, 1999
2,162
1
0
Thanks for the article Perknose.

I don't care if this series doesn't get ratings, not like I'm seeing ad revenue or anything. I'm just glad these two are in it and expect the rest of the games to be as good as the first two. They're the two I wanted since the postseason started.

I still think Rays in 6. You can't stop Hamels, he's a beast!
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
46,539
9,865
146
Originally posted by: Baked
Game's been delayed due to rain.

Fox just brought the pre-game show on. They game is set to start @ 10pm edt, but it seems semi-insane.

They're rolling the tarp off the infield, but you can clearly see it is STILL raining, and it HAS been raining more or less all day. Advance forecast says they'll have an upcoming break in the weather, though.

Btw, Jamie Moyer grew up in Sellersville, about 10 miles from where I live.

GO, old man, GO!
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
46,539
9,865
146
Lol, Phillies fans are booing the rolling up of the tarp! :laugh:

Yesterday, on the local news, Philly Mayor Michael Nutter was essentially pleading with Phillies fans not to embarrass the city by, say, beating up any Rays fans that showed up in the parking lot.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |