Officially undecided for POTUS

[Jhhnn]

Have you looked in the mirror recently?

I'm not the one fear mongering & dog whistling bigotry & hatred. I'm not conflicted as to whether I should vote for that or not. I'm on board with Yes we can & stronger together. It somehow wasn't a difficult choice.

 

[zinfamous]

Yup, it is really tough to think about voting for either Clinton or Trump... The problem is for the most part a vote for the libertarian party is one less vote for reps... On the other side a vote for the green is really a vote less for dems... So if you vote 3rd party, it almost always hurts the closest side to your ideology. A good example of that is in 2000. RAlph Nader got nearly 3% of the vote. Those people that voted Nader would much rather Gore won over Bush, but they are literally the ones that lost it for him.

iirc, the majority of Nader votes were in districts that Gore either won or Bush ran away with. None of those votes actually affected the election for either of the other two candidates.

 

[chucky2]

i'm not the one fear mongering & dog whistling bigotry & hatred. I'm not conflicted as to whether i should vote for that or not. I'm on board with yes we can & stronger together. It somehow wasn't a difficult choice.

lulz :d

 

[Paratus]

Op is this your problem?

 

[werepossum]

Have you looked in the mirror recently?

All his mirrors are pictures of Hillary.

Clearly, to a lot of you, elections are simply popularity contests because it's obviously not about policies.

What's the point of voting for policies when we have two completely unethical people running?

Op is this your problem?

lol +1

OP, this should be easy. I completely share your determination not to vote for Hillary. Make a list of everything you hate about her. Now ask yourself which of those faults do not also apply to Trump in at least equal portion. Unless you specifically hate vagina and/or cankles, I'm betting it's all of them.

Hey, bad as it is, it could be worse. Had the nomination gone to Cruz, I was prepared to vote for the Hildabeast. Man could lose his nose holding it that hard.

 

[mizzou]

What's your reason against Hillary? (please respectfully no one else respond, I am only interested in OP's reason)

While she was part of Obama's Cabinet, I disliked strongly US positions in global unrest and general foreign affairs. She also seems willing to continue Obama's current national social policies which...seem to have taken us back to 1970.

I also suspect she is an incredible liar. I understand the "evidence" can be typical partisan voodoo, but the high % of negative trustworthiness ratings is there for a reason.

The country is moving backwards and I don't want a 3rd term of Obama.


also.....I never forgot

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...for-her-past-war-on-video-games/#c8e5f7298d65


EDIT: If I were to do some conspiracy theorizing...Hillary would do terrible things to the freedom of speech. I know people are throwing around Trump would restrict "freedom of the press", but in all honesty Hillary has a track record which proves she may do that same very thing.

 

[mizzou]

OP, this should be easy. I completely share your determination not to vote for Hillary. Make a list of everything you hate about her. Now ask yourself which of those faults do not also apply to Trump in at least equal portion. Unless you specifically hate vagina and/or cankles, I'm betting it's all of them.

Hey, bad as it is, it could be worse. Had the nomination gone to Cruz, I was prepared to vote for the Hildabeast. Man could lose his nose holding it that hard.

I am glad Cruz didn't win.

I think I'll end up going libertarian. I am not completely in his side right now because I haven't been paying attention to him fully yet.

 

[Zorba]

iirc, the majority of Nader votes were in districts that Gore either won or Bush ran away with. None of those votes actually affected the election for either of the other two candidates.

Bush won Florida by 537 votes. 97,488 people in Florida voted for Nader. Hell the "Socialist Workers" ticket got 562 votes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_2000

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

What's your reason against Hillary? (please respectfully no one else respond, I am only interested in OP's reason)

The same reason anyone doesn't trust Billary....

 

[flexy]

NO ONE of these cons should be up there in the first place.

The one guy just had a trial date set for his Trump U. FRAUD, the other guy was just investigated by the FBI and is now facing the DNC rigging & email scandal.

You could visit a prison and select two random inmates and would likely get persons with more decency than any of those scum bags.

 

[ivwshane]

NO ONE of these cons should be up there in the first place.

The one guy just had a trial date set for his Trump U. FRAUD, the other guy was just investigated by the FBI and is now facing the DNC rigging & email scandal.

You could visit a prison and select two random inmates and would likely get persons with more decency than any of those scum bags.

Guilty until proven... well just guilty. Guilty by association... any association. I'm also guessing you are for guilt via gut feelings.

 

[werepossum]

NO ONE of these cons should be up there in the first place.

The one guy just had a trial date set for his Trump U. FRAUD, the other guy was just investigated by the FBI and is now facing the DNC rigging & email scandal.

You could visit a prison and select two random inmates and would likely get persons with more decency than any of those scum bags.

I suspect you are correct.

 

[Chaotic42]

If you're still in Missouri, supposedly we're a swing state this year, so I don't know if that's going to affect your feelings.

Personally, I like the Modern Whig Party.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Trump would be a nice protest candidate if he had a consistent and decent views on anything (beyond protectionism which is something I don't believe in regardless). I don't really care about who is running on the libertarian ticket as long as we have a two-party system, my idealist goal is that at some point Republicans realize that there could be a small but significant voting bloc they could win back if they put up remotely decent candidates. He seems to have a reasonably decent record regardless at least as far as his message is concerned (it's hard for me to praise anyone responsible for governing a crappy state like New Mexico though).

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Trump's a sack of trash.

You are what you eat.

Don't swallow his sack.

 

[pcgeek11]

I voted for Johnson in 2012, and myself + the other 5.4 people who voted for him were not exactly shocked when he did not win.

I was originally going to vote for Ron Paul, but then I read a few things about him that were.....weird. Id say if youre not planning on voting cast a vote for Gary anyway, theres a 0% chance hes going to actually win, and he is entirely better than Hillary/Trump.

So is a turd.

 

[Double Trouble]

I used to think there was no such thing as "undecided" when it came to elections. I thought yeaaaah right! You know exactly who you are going to vote for when the day comes.

I literally can't imagine who I'm going to vote for. Right now I'm leaning towards voting for libertarian...but it's not exactly my prime candidate there. There is no way I'm voting for Hillary though...and I voted Obama twice.

So I'm either not voting...voting for Trump or voting for Johnson

I wonder how high the % is of actual undecided this year? I bet it's at an all time high.

Hit the nail on the head. I feel the same way. I've voted (D) in the past, but there's no way I would ever cast a ballot for Hillary. I detest her, she represents everything that's bad about politics and D.C.

Then each time I think OK, I'll have to vote for Trump I kind of gag a little.

I've decided to either not vote this year or to vote for Trump, just can't decide which. I'm in Ohio, a definite swing state.

OP, I think you're right about the "undecideds" this year, most of the people I talk to regularly (some D's, some R's) are in the same category. My D friends detest Trump and everything he stands for, but gag at the thought of electing Hillary.

Unbelievable that this great country has been reduced to choosing between two very shitty candidates to run the show. Barring some miracle (like one of them keeling over tomorrow), we are guaranteed to get the shittiest president ever.

 

[retrospooty]

iirc, the majority of Nader votes were in districts that Gore either won or Bush ran away with. None of those votes actually affected the election for either of the other two candidates.

It totally affected everything... It came down to Florida, remember?

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=2000&fips=12&f=0&off=0&elect=0

Bush 48.85%
Gore 48.84%
Nader 1.64%

Quite literally Nader lost it for Gore. Had Nader not been on the ballot, there would have been no recount because it wouldnt have been .01% of a difference.

 

[zinfamous]

Bush won Florida by 537 votes. 97,488 people in Florida voted for Nader. Hell the "Socialist Workers" ticket got 562 votes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_2000

So is it assumed that those 98,000 votes would have all gone to Gore instead of Bush, or that there would at least be a great enough difference in splitting those votes to give Gore the lead?

I can buy that simply based on political assumptions, but I never really saw that as a compelling argument--voters are weird. For one thing, The "Socialist Workers" never would have voted for Gore despite the assumptions of ignorant conservatives--Clinton was a really conservative president and the left didn't like him at all.

 

[echo4747]

I despise HRC so much that I will never vote for her. So, because of that, I will vote Trump or not vote at all. I reside in a solidly blue state so it doesn't matter. If I lived in a swing state, I would need to give far more serious thought.

 

[emperus]

Clinton is not the ideal candidate, but, given Trump's last week how can anyone even consider him qualified to be president. People are debating whether he has a mental disorder. Consider that, people (Republicans included) are actually debating if a Presidential candidate has a mental disorder in the midst of a campaign.

My eyes almost popped out of my head when I saw this thread.

 

[zinfamous]

I despise HRC so much that I will never vote for her. So, because of that, I will vote Trump or not vote at all. I reside in a solidly blue state so it doesn't matter. If I lived in a swing state, I would need to give far more serious thought.

"I despise this woman because decades of unfounded and repeated charges against her and her husband's character spearheaded by butthurt republican children have eventually convinced me that the mere persistence of such spurious charges is evidence of truth. Therefore, I choose fascism."

Sounds about right.

 

[K1052]

"I despise this woman because decades of unfounded and repeated charges against her and her husband's character spearheaded by butthurt republican children have eventually convinced me that the mere persistence of such spurious charges is evidence of truth. Therefore, I choose fascism."

Sounds about right.

But they just feel that it's true. I've never bought into the false equivalency in this character comparison between her and Trump. She's got some issues but nothing remotely close to what the orange one has even boasted about doing. He's a first class scumbag when judged by almost every utterance that escapes his lips.

It's kind of amazing, but not surprising, that so many people have been had by a guy who should be doing infomercials at 2am on a station nobody watches if he didn't start off with such an advantage in life.

 

[pcgeek11]

"I despise this woman because decades of unfounded and repeated charges against her and her husband's character spearheaded by butthurt republican children have eventually convinced me that the mere persistence of such spurious charges is evidence of truth. Therefore, I choose fascism."

Sounds about right.

I don't think that is what he said.

Why are you consumed with the urge to twist everything someone says that doesn't agree with your liberal bias?

 

[SNC]

Yup, it is really tough to think about voting for either Clinton or Trump... The problem is for the most part a vote for the libertarian party is one less vote for reps... On the other side a vote for the green is really a vote less for dems... So if you vote 3rd party, it almost always hurts the closest side to your ideology. A good example of that is in 2000. RAlph Nader got nearly 3% of the vote. Those people that voted Nader would much rather Gore won over Bush, but they are literally the ones that lost it for him.

NO, NO, NO!!!! there is no candidate that HAS your vote until you give it to them in the booth. A vote for a green party can is just that a vote for that person, not a vote for the other candidate. This twisted way of thinking that a vote for Johnston is a vote for Clinton is nothing more than a scare tactic to keep people in line. Everyone that hates Clinton but still votes for her instead of voting their heart is EXACTLY what they want you to do. There has to come a time when you stop worrying about you don't like or want in the here-and-now and worry about the future. The reason both Clinton and Trump act the way they do is because they know when it comes time to bite the bullet Americans would rather bend over and take a big fat spiked one up their ass then do something that might be for the better good. It is the every people that guilt others into voting for one of the major two that is a huge part of the very problem they claim to despise.


To all those that are planning on staying home this election, PLEASE don't! If you hate the major two, do yourself and the rest of us a favor and vote a third party. Don't stay home and complain that there is no good candidate, DO something! In 2012 54.9% of those able to vote in the US did. If the other 45.1% voted for a 3rd party candidate would not have a Trump of Clinton in the White House. Don't be part of the problem be a part of the solution!