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Red Squirrel

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I'm looking forward to the series finale of this show. November 8th can't come soon enough. So much is going to go down. I wonder if they'll actually make another season. It's probably not actually all over.

Seriously though, I think it's going to be an insane day. I am picturing insane riots and cars being turned over, buildings fire bombed etc. It's going to be nuts. And it's going to be entertaining.

 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Louis C. K.

If you vote for Hillary, you're a grownup, if you vote for Trump, you're a sucker, if you don't vote for anyone, you're an asshole.

pretty much how I feel, but he makes much more of an argument beyond that. Mothers vs Fathers (not men vs women), the ability to take endless amounts of shit and still keep working, vs. shutting down everything for weeks because someone called you a poopy face on the internet. etc...
 

Ruptga

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Aug 3, 2006
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Louis C. K.

If you vote for Hillary, you're a grownup, if you vote for Trump, you're a sucker, if you don't vote for anyone, you're an asshole.

pretty much how I feel, but he makes much more of an argument beyond that. Mothers vs Fathers (not men vs women), the ability to take endless amounts of shit and still keep working, vs. shutting down everything for weeks because someone called you a poopy face on the internet. etc...
Other than the bits about Trump having an awful temperament and Clinton being a conniving bitch, which are both obvious, that was all crap. He's a manchild, she's more interested in power than in doing right by anyone, these are not good things. Neither one of them should be in charge of a softball league, let alone a nation of 320 million. Yes, I'm an asshole. I really wanted to support Johnson but that guy just isn't ready, so I'm an asshole.
 

Fritzo

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Other than the bits about Trump having an awful temperament and Clinton being a conniving bitch, which are both obvious, that was all crap. He's a manchild, she's more interested in power than in doing right by anyone, these are not good things. Neither one of them should be in charge of a softball league, let alone a nation of 320 million. Yes, I'm an asshole. I really wanted to support Johnson but that guy just isn't ready, so I'm an asshole.

I'm generally non-partisan, but I do like truth in reporting. Hillary's track record involves her doing a lot of public service as a public defendant, making a foundation that genuinely helps people (her foundation has a higher pay-out than the Red Cross), and she spend a lot of time in congress trying to get health care accessible to everyone. This, to me, shows a person that is interested in making things better.

Trump, on the other hand, has dedicated his life to making himself rich. He's been sued over 3000x (!!!!), has a record of stiffing contractors and shady business dealings, has admitted to not paying any taxes for nearly 20 years through semi-legal loopholes, is going on trial for fraud next month, has a case against him for raping a 13 year old (which I'm on the fence if it's true or not, but the background is plausible), made a foundation that takes donations with very little payout (but uses its funds to cover lawsuits and buy a giant portrait of Trump for the lobby), and likes to brag about...and has been filmed...inappropriately touching women whenever he feels like it. It's like this guy is suddenly going to change his previous 69 years of life because in the 70th year he's running for President?

This is my favorite summary of the election so far (skip to 6:10):


https://twitter.com/LateNightSeth/status/794197911345229825
 

pete6032

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Hillary's track record involves her doing a lot of public service as a public defendant, making a foundation that genuinely helps people (her foundation has a higher pay-out than the Red Cross), and she spend a lot of time in congress trying to get health care accessible to everyone.

Fox news told me that the Clinton foundation is a political fundraising slush fund.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Other than the bits about Trump having an awful temperament and Clinton being a conniving bitch, which are both obvious, that was all crap. He's a manchild, she's more interested in power than in doing right by anyone, these are not good things. Neither one of them should be in charge of a softball league, let alone a nation of 320 million. Yes, I'm an asshole. I really wanted to support Johnson but that guy just isn't ready, so I'm an asshole.
You could do a write-in candidate.
 

Ruptga

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I'm generally non-partisan, but I do like truth in reporting. Hillary's track record involves her doing a lot of public service as a public defendant, making a foundation that genuinely helps people (her foundation has a higher pay-out than the Red Cross), and she spend a lot of time in congress trying to get health care accessible to everyone. This, to me, shows a person that is interested in making things better.

You're not wrong. She has also supported less endearing things like the Patriot Act and its renewal, she didn't have the sense (or principles, take your pick) to keep a clear division between her personal and public work in regards to the Clinton Foundation, she didn't have the sense (or principles, again take your pick) to keep her campaign from actively undermining the integrity of its own party's primary, and she routinely "pivots" her positions when they fall out of public favor. She's a smooth politician, no less but no more. Once she wins we'll have 8 more years of the same old - lip service to progress and freedom with maybe one big policy change but that's about it.
You could do a write-in candidate.
Yeah, who? I was going to do that for Sanders until he started shilling for the power players that guaranteed his campaign never had a chance. I'm not aware of a single political figure that I respect enough to support.
 

Fritzo

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Fox news told me that the Clinton foundation is a political fundraising slush fund.

LOL- you can take anything and demonize it, which is why this election is so ugly.

Clinton laughs at how ridiculous the legal system is while defending a rapist in court. Headline: CLINTON LAUGHS AT RAPE VICTIM

Bill makes money at speaking engagements talking about the Clinton foundation. Headline: CLINTONS USE FOUNDATION FUNDS FOR PERSONAL WEALTH

Uranium stores flowed through to Russia (and later Iran) through US government sales, which has been going on for years. Later, through several parties of separation, Russian donations were accepted by the Clinton foundation. Headline: HILLARY SELLS URANIUM TO THE ENEMY FOR PERSONAL GAINS.

There's a list of these a mile long. My point is, the GOP has been calling out Hillary for doing "illegal" things for 30 years, and not ONCE has she been prosecuted for a single crime. This means that she has a level of control and influence in line with the US keeping aliens a secret at Area 51, the GOP is incompetent when it comes to prosecution, or there are no real crimes being committed. It has to be one of those 3 as there's no other explanation.
 

nakedfrog

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Apr 3, 2001
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You're not wrong. She has also supported less endearing things like the Patriot Act and its renewal, she didn't have the sense (or principles, take your pick) to keep a clear division between her personal and public work in regards to the Clinton Foundation, she didn't have the sense (or principles, again take your pick) to keep her campaign from actively undermining the integrity of its own party's primary, and she routinely "pivots" her positions when they fall out of public favor. She's a smooth politician, no less but no more. Once she wins we'll have 8 more years of the same old - lip service to progress and freedom with maybe one big policy change but that's about it.

Yeah, who? I was going to do that for Sanders until he started shilling for the power players that guaranteed his campaign never had a chance. I'm not aware of a single political figure that I respect enough to support.
You could vote for me, or Bullwinkle & Rocky, or write in "None of the above"...
 

Fritzo

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Jan 3, 2001
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You're not wrong. She has also supported less endearing things like the Patriot Act and its renewal, she didn't have the sense (or principles, take your pick) to keep a clear division between her personal and public work in regards to the Clinton Foundation, she didn't have the sense (or principles, again take your pick) to keep her campaign from actively undermining the integrity of its own party's primary, and she routinely "pivots" her positions when they fall out of public favor. She's a smooth politician, no less but no more. Once she wins we'll have 8 more years of the same old - lip service to progress and freedom with maybe one big policy change but that's about it.

Yeah, who? I was going to do that for Sanders until he started shilling for the power players that guaranteed his campaign never had a chance. I'm not aware of a single political figure that I respect enough to support.

I guess that's it. Hillary's main crime is she's a politician, and they're all like that. I really liked Sanders, but the DNC didn't, so that was a done deal. Trump, on the other hand, is not a politician, but is an all-around terrible human being. The only reason he was nominated is because too many candidates watered down the playing field and it skewed the votes in the primaries. The GOP essentially created Trump, and now they have to live with him.
 

zinfamous

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Other than the bits about Trump having an awful temperament and Clinton being a conniving bitch, which are both obvious, that was all crap. He's a manchild, she's more interested in power than in doing right by anyone, these are not good things. Neither one of them should be in charge of a softball league, let alone a nation of 320 million. Yes, I'm an asshole. I really wanted to support Johnson but that guy just isn't ready, so I'm an asshole.

I guess you might think this, if you ignore her actual 30+ years of actual public service. This "she's a selfish power-hungry monster" is that zombie myth that simply refuses to die. I get that you will never believe otherwise, but I wonder if you can point to some tangible examples of this power-hungry monsterism from Hillary that exist outside of the right-wing disinformation bubble?
 

Ruptga

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I guess that's it. Hillary's main crime is she's a politician, and they're all like that. I really liked Sanders, but the DNC didn't, so that was a done deal. Trump, on the other hand, is not a politician, but is an all-around terrible human being. The only reason he was nominated is because too many candidates watered down the playing field and it skewed the votes in the primaries. The GOP essentially created Trump, and now they have to live with him.
Yeah, the worst thing about her is that she's what we've all come to expect from our politicians. If you're cool with the way things have always been you should be completely fine with her, I know we can do better though.

I guess you might think this, if you ignore her actual 30+ years of actual public service. This "she's a selfish power-hungry monster" is that zombie myth that simply refuses to die. I get that you will never believe otherwise, but I wonder if you can point to some tangible examples of this power-hungry monsterism from Hillary that exist outside of the right-wing disinformation bubble?
Sure off the top of my head:
1. She flip-flopped on the invasion of Iraq, being in favor of it when even the patriotism of the Dixie Chicks was being questioned and then reversing when the bodies started coming home. She'd already gotten the intervention she wanted, so reversing position didn't really matter and it kept her on the correct side of public opinion.
2. She continues to support our surveillance state via the Patriot Act though, backing down from that would actually make a difference.
3. These are about the first President Clinton, but they apply because she has supported the kind of foreign policy that's being talked about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd8jPKwArsM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZtPzOukjZA

Also, go fuck yourself zin. You assume that I'll never believe otherwise, probably because you've spent too much time dealing with P&Ners that constantly stim themselves with cries of "Benghazi" and "death panels", but that's hardly my fault. She's not an OMGmonster any more than Bush is, but that's hardly a compliment.
 
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agent00f

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Yeah, the worst thing about her is that she's what we've all come to expect from our politicians. If you're cool with the way things have always been you should be completely fine with her, I know we can do better though.


Sure off the top of my head:
1. She flip-flopped on the invasion of Iraq, being in favor of it when even the patriotism of the Dixie Chicks was being questioned and then reversing when the bodies started coming home. She'd already gotten the intervention she wanted, so reversing position didn't really matter and it kept her on the correct side of public opinion.
2. She continues to support our surveillance state via the Patriot Act though, backing down from that would actually make a difference.
3. These are about the first President Clinton, but they apply because she has supported the kind of foreign policy that's being talked about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd8jPKwArsM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZtPzOukjZA

Also, go fuck yourself zin. You assume that I'll never believe otherwise, probably because you've spent too much time dealing with P&Ners that constantly stim themselves with cries of "Benghazi" and "death panels", but that's hardly my fault. She's not an OMGmonster any more than Bush is, but that's hardly a compliment.

The Clintons are centrists; take some time to reflect on what that implies and you'll be well ahead of the dumbshits here.
 

Ruptga

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The Clintons are centrists; take some time to reflect on what that implies and you'll be well ahead of the dumbshits here.
yeah yeah. A person don't need to be an extremist to be a wise and beautiful woman, it just helps their odds.
 

agent00f

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yeah yeah. A person don't need to be an extremist to be a wise and beautiful woman, it just helps their odds.

No, really think about how centrism works, eg with respect to changing policy for prevailing opinion. Just because you're told to blindly hate on the clintons doesn't mean you have to stupid.
 

Ruptga

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No, really think about how centrism works, eg with respect to changing policy for prevailing opinion. Just because you're told to blindly hate on the clintons doesn't mean you have to stupid.
I do not give a single fuck about what I'm told to think, least of all by you. Clinton sucks objectively, deal with it. She is centrist within US politics, whoop de fookin doo. Joseph P. Overton would like to have a word with you on the subject, though you may need a medium.
 

agent00f

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I do not give a single fuck about what I'm told to think. Clinton sucks objectively, deal with it. She is centrist within US politics, whoop de fookin doo. Joseph P. Overton would like to have a word with you on the subject, though you may need a medium.

You don't do yourself any favors by parroting gop talking points on clinton instead of discussing what problems you have with centrist policy.
 

master_shake_

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Yeah, who? I was going to do that for Sanders until he started shilling for the power players that guaranteed his campaign never had a chance. I'm not aware of a single political figure that I respect enough to support.



it's a pretty good choice.
 
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Ruptga

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You don't do yourself any favors by parroting gop talking points on clinton instead of discussing what problems you have with centrist policy.
Yeah ok. Parroting their talking points would have involved using the words socialist and Benghazi by now, and Republicans don't give a shit about her opinions on Iraq or the Patriot Act since they line up so well with their own. They're also very unlikely to link to comments condemning pointless bombing campaigns, especially when it's also at the expense of a good pointless sex scandal. You're a moron.
 
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