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Ruptga

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I have a theory. When he was part of the system, he'd try to game it, but now that he can change the system, maybe he'll change it so that it's an equal playing field for all so he doesn't need to game it anymore.

We'll see. I have a hunch that Trump's presidency will be a great one. It's kinda funny how things work out sometimes.
That's not even a theory, that's baseless speculation. Why would someone that has happily exploited the system suddenly decide to try changing it once they're finally on top of it? It makes for a classic thriller plot, but people don't really work that way. If he was committed to change he would have worked at it his whole life, he wouldn't have denied that part of himself for decades in the million to one hope that it would help him one day become president for four years.
 

SSSnail

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That's not even a theory, that's baseless speculation. Why would someone that has happily exploited the system suddenly decide to try changing it once they're finally on top of it? It makes for a classic thriller plot, but people don't really work that way. If he was committed to change he would have worked at it his whole life, he wouldn't have denied that part of himself for decades in the million to one hope that it would help him one day become president for four years.
That's not baseless speculation, it's intelligent insights. Why wouldn't they? If they have to game the system in order to stay alive, then that's what they have to do. Now that they're on top to change the system, they'll make it even ground for everybody so that they can compete fairly without gaming it. What's not to understand?

What you don't also see is that most people get into politics to become rich. At this point in his life, I don't think Trump needs anymore money, maybe, just maybe that he actually wants to do good? Maybe he's more concerned about his legacy? Maybe he wants to achieve immortality and go down in history as one of the great president? Just maybe? In your mind, that can never be? Nice to see how your mind works...
 

R0H1T

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His business is based on cheap labor from overseas because if it wasn't, he would not be able to compete in a marketplace where there is no downside to doing so. There is nothing wrong with him wanting to pass measures to disincentivize this practice from continuing in order to improve domestic manufacturing, as long as it is applied fairly, to every business in that market, including his own.

He would be an incredibly incompetent business leader if he were to apply such measures to his business alone, as it would obviously be uncompetitive and would quickly go out of business.
So is this his real estate or hospitality business we're talking about? If it's the former then a lot more money can be saved by completing projects ahead of schedule, labor costs are a huge part of real estate though the piece of land (being developed) is probably the most expensive chunk. You don't have to get Chinese Steel in order to make a profit, (labor) time is equally important if not more than the raw material costs, from what I understand of real estate.
Yeah, but I don't understand how anyone expects him to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Tax cuts/incentives to bring manufacturing back, great, but wages will definitely need to be much higher here than anywhere else they are currently manufacturing, which then means higher prices on the goods, which people do not want to pay. It's untenable. They should be focusing on service jobs or something; those higher paying, low barrier to entry, manufacturing jobs are just not coming back.

KT
Nope service sector jobs aren't coming back to the US in good numbers either.
I have a theory. When he was part of the system, he'd try to game it, but now that he can change the system, maybe he'll change it so that it's an equal playing field for all so he doesn't need to game it anymore.

We'll see. I have a hunch that Trump's presidency will be a great one. It's kinda funny how things work out sometimes.
There will never be a level playing, the US has ensured that by buying tons of cheap Chinese goods over the last so many years, that going back is nigh impossible. The cherry on top is that you (sometimes) willingly & other times through (Chinese) hacks have transferred more than enough tech & manufacturing that China will be the world's defacto factory for at least this century.

This aside from the fact that China can & will subsidize it's local industry for as long as they can, heck they still have over $3T & chump change to spend on them. Also what about the factories that also export to the rest of the world, China has super capacity in everything they make? Now for example you're making OLEDs for US in the US & exporting the rest from China, for the rest of the world; what about American companies who wouldn't turn to profit if it weren't for Chinese cheap labor, like Dell & HP?

I'm sure the Chinese won't extend their hospitality when you shut factories over there or majorly reduce capacity. The only possible the world, not just the US, can pressurize China to change their ways is if there is a property bubble popping over there. Basically we'll have to wait for the time they go bust before they even think of a change in that country.
 
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SSSnail

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R0H1T, the Chinese are "stable" right now is because currency manipulation, if that is stopped, their economy will implode overnight. Bank on it. Their goods then will be just as expensive, with shittier quality. Look further than your eyes can see.
 

R0H1T

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R0H1T, the Chinese are "stable" right now is because currency manipulation, if that is stopped, their economy will implode overnight. Bank on it. Their goods then will be just as expensive, with shittier quality. Look further than your eyes can see.
I can & that's why I'm saying it's near impossible for a single nation to make them stop, with the trade & currency manipulation. The EU+US might do it but I doubt anyone over there has any real balls for it.
 

nakedfrog

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That's not baseless speculation, it's intelligent insights. Why wouldn't they? If they have to game the system in order to stay alive, then that's what they have to do. Now that they're on top to change the system, they'll make it even ground for everybody so that they can compete fairly without gaming it. What's not to understand?
Why would he? He's got nothing to gain from that, his kids and their kids would have something to lose from it, and he generally seems to act in his own self-interest in all cases. I'm not casting judgment on that, it's just a statement, and I have no reason to believe it will change. I will be happy to be proven wrong in this case.
What you don't also see is that most people get into politics to become rich. At this point in his life, I don't think Trump needs anymore money, maybe, just maybe that he actually wants to do good? Maybe he's more concerned about his legacy? Maybe he wants to achieve immortality and go down in history as one of the great president? Just maybe? In your mind, that can never be? Nice to see how your mind works...
He's already the greatest president in his own mind, I'm sure. This is the ultimate ego stroke for a wildly egotistical man.
Again, I have no idea of what to actually expect from the guy, and I hope it does turn out well... but I'm not going to be surprised if it doesn't.
 

SSSnail

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Why would he? He's got nothing to gain from that, his kids and their kids would have something to lose from it, and he generally seems to act in his own self-interest in all cases. I'm not casting judgment on that, it's just a statement, and I have no reason to believe it will change. I will be happy to be proven wrong in this case.

He's already the greatest president in his own mind, I'm sure. This is the ultimate ego stroke for a wildly egotistical man.
Again, I have no idea of what to actually expect from the guy, and I hope it does turn out well... but I'm not going to be surprised if it doesn't.
Like you, I also have no idea what is going to happen. But, I don't shut out the possibility of Trump actually wants to do good. That's the difference between you and I, and some other posters in this thread.

Even if he can accomplish just a few items on this list http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days, he will go down as one of the greatest president, ever.
 

nakedfrog

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No, keep going, let's see how tolerant and open minded you really are.
Yeah, this is why I say there's no point.
For example, there's nowhere in my post where I "shut out the possibility of Trump actually wants to do good", and in fact said I'd be happy to be proven wrong about my estimation of him--which is blatant statement that I consider it possible. So we're done here, because I don't believe you have any legitimate interest in a productive discussion.
 

SSSnail

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Yeah, this is why I say there's no point.
For example, there's nowhere in my post where I "shut out the possibility of Trump actually wants to do good", and in fact said I'd be happy to be proven wrong about my estimation of him--which is blatant statement that I consider it possible. So we're done here, because I don't believe you have any legitimate interest in a productive discussion.
Well, even after I pointed out the reasons why he would want to change, you came right back with "why would he"? Don't know how much more "legitimately" productive I can be.
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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I have a theory. When he was part of the system, he'd try to game it, but now that he can change the system, maybe he'll change it so that it's an equal playing field for all so he doesn't need to game it anymore.

We'll see. I have a hunch that Trump's presidency will be a great one. It's kinda funny how things work out sometimes.

Well, nothing makes sense anymore; so maybe you are right.
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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That's not baseless speculation, it's intelligent insights. Why wouldn't they? If they have to game the system in order to stay alive, then that's what they have to do. Now that they're on top to change the system, they'll make it even ground for everybody so that they can compete fairly without gaming it. What's not to understand?

What you don't also see is that most people get into politics to become rich. At this point in his life, I don't think Trump needs anymore money, maybe, just maybe that he actually wants to do good? Maybe he's more concerned about his legacy? Maybe he wants to achieve immortality and go down in history as one of the great president? Just maybe? In your mind, that can never be? Nice to see how your mind works...

well, wait a second. Trump never had to "stay alive." He gamed the system only because it is sport to him. It's ego stroking. It's unrestrained hubris, his lifetime of treating people like scum and getting away with it as long as he could score each conquest as "winning."

Having to "stay alive" means desperation. Trump was only ever privileged in life. He never really accomplished anything in the classic, American, success story: he never once struggled in working his way up from nothing. He never had to learn anything, nothing was ever hard fought. All success he achieved and failure he earned were just the side effects of being a colossal asshole with a deplorably deep safety net in case he ever went too far.

I don't know any real life example where "the rich man is already wealthy; therefore he will be an honest politician and never seek to enrich himself off the public's trust!" This has been rejected since, well, every time this has happened. Look at Burlusconi, and you pretty much see where Trump will be after his term is over: a revolving door of lawsuits, court appearances, never-ending target of litigation. This is a guy that has, for countless sound bites and words on paper gloated about every single opportunity to enrich himself at any opportunity, whatever the cost, regardless of who or what gets in his way.

And the reason you think he will suddenly be honest is because he said he would? Now that's rich!
 

Muse

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Jul 11, 2001
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I just can't understand how people would accept the message of "We're going to bring manufacturing back to the US and high paying jobs", yet his entire business is based on obtaining cheap items from China and paying working low wages. He does exactly everything everyone hates about business, and somehow he's supposed to suddenly change everything and work for the people in his 70th year of life? How are his own businesses going to continue?
Been thinking about this. There was talk before the election that a lot of people were saying they will boycott Trump enterprises. I'd be very surprised at this point if that didn't gain a lot of steam. Indeed, I expect picketing, probably a lot worse. I think Trump will find that his presidency is very bad for his business unless he is very agile. I don't know that he will be able to avoid the damage that's coming. His business AFAIK is real estate of various kinds (exposed targets) and products (exposed in terms of being subject to boycott).
 

Red Squirrel

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Is the president even allowed to be running or in charge of a business? That seems like a ridiculous conflict of interest. Run a multi billion dollar operation... or run the country, pick one!
 

Muse

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Interesting article. I don't see Trump relinqushing much of anything.
He has no ethics. He has so much baggage it's way way way beyond ridiculous. Fact is the people who voted for him were willing to put all that aside, pretend it wasn't there for their own reasons. We're stuck with him. Well, unless...
 

Red Squirrel

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Anonymous will be making a live stream announcement in about 40 minutes. Not sure of a better source but it's on FB right now: https://www.facebook.com/ConspiracyUniverse/videos/324790104545478/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

May or not be actually be them, just something I came across that may be interesting.

I assume they are referring to the fact that Trump got in.


EDIT: Nothing to do with trump just standard US corruption stuff. Oil etc.
 
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bononos

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Is the president even allowed to be running or in charge of a business? That seems like a ridiculous conflict of interest. Run a multi billion dollar operation... or run the country, pick one!
He's broken so many unwritten rules already it doesn't make any difference now. His previous scandals and brushes with the law should've been enough to dissuade him from attempting to run in the first place. Not releasing his tax returns was another red flag. But hey he's going to make America great again so who cares.
 

Red Squirrel

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He's broken so many unwritten rules already it doesn't make any difference now. His previous scandals and brushes with the law should've been enough to dissuade him from attempting to run in the first place. Not releasing his tax returns was another red flag. But hey he's going to make America great again so who cares.

Yeah it's actually kinda scary. Just comes to show how people who rank high whether simply by being rich, can pretty much get away with anything and even end up president.
 

lxskllr

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His conflicts are only more obvious than most. Politicians are still loyal to their old friends after divesting problematic holdings, and then they become lobbyists or speakers when they get out of office. It's just more of the same.
 
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Ruptga

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His conflicts are only more obvious than most. Politicians are still loyal to their old friends after divesting problematic holdings, and then they become lobbyists or speakers when they get out of office. It's just more of the same.
More of the same by type is not quite the same thing as more of the same by degree though.
 

Crono

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His conflicts are only more obvious than most. Politicians are still loyal to their old friends after divesting problematic holdings, and then they become lobbyists or speakers when they get out of office. It's just more of the same.

Couldn't agree more. Most of the presidential candidates and past few presidents (at least) were running for influential power that can be bartered to interests for favors and money. They can talk about loving this country and caring - and they might, to an extent - but it's really all about personal gain.

Trump is just less subtle about it. It should be reassuring that he's such a polarizing figure that he's being watched so closely, making it a little harder to pull off nefarious actions.

It would be nice if we elected a purely altruistic president who was actually interested in limiting his or her own power in the position, but the structure of elections in America doesn't favor such a candidate.
 
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