Oh Canada... Dont endorce your 7 year old gender confusion get kid taken away.

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pauldun170

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Sep 26, 2011
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Can Canadian parents still disagree with their children's incorrect math answers?
Yes

So is the story the OP is talking about true or false?
False

Your cut and paste added no value whatsoever to this thread.

Is the OP accurate, or is the OP inaccurate?

OP inacurrate

Here is the bill, recently passed:
http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_detail.do?locale=en&BillID=4479

It prevents stupid parents from ruining their children by attempting to make them straight.

False.
It prevents service providers from discriminating against wards of the state.

Well is it Stupid or Good? I don't think it can be both.

It's purpose is to protect wards of the state from discrimination and other bullshit.
Read the link and see if any part of it is over reaching.
Based on quick skim, seems to fall on good side of the camp.

If you are a very religious foster family and now see that you can't pray the gay away with your foster child then you might think it bad.
If you are a Catholic and just found out you can't mock your protestant ward anymore you might be pissed.
If you are pissed that you can't call your Inuit ward "You personally little eskimo" anymore you might be pissed.
If you call you lesbian ward "Butch" you might be pissed.
 
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Blue_Max

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Do you enjoy tilting at windmills, or do you do it because you feel it's the only thing left for you to do? All I see is a Don Quixote who's permanently lost the fight and wants to pretend his objections mean something.

[ERROR] Argument or rebuttal not found. Abort/ Retry/ Fail?
 

Azuma Hazuki

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I'd like to see a study on how often young kids decide they want to be the other gender then switch back to decide how outraged I should be. I am sure there are different levels too, some kids just experimenting with the idea, while others are set in stone.

@Zorba: from what I've read, there are a large group who express dissatisfaction with gender roles, and a smaller group who outright say, at like age 5, "Mommy, put me back inside you so I can come out a girl this time."

The problem is, the studies the Reich-wingers usually cite when they want to crow about "Hurr hurr 80% desistance rate" do not separate these two. There is a tremendous difference between "Being a girl sucks, I wanna drive a truck when I'm older!" and a 4 year old trying to rip his own penis off in the shower because it feels like an alien appendage.

Again, I have to take trans* people at their word for this, but so far every single one I've known showed massive, permanent, and immediate improvement of their mental state when they began transition in earnest.

This means, and pay special attention here @Roflmouth and @Blue_Max, that even if trans* people are actually mentally ill, the most efficacious therapy is to bring their bodies in line with their minds. In other words, your supposed concern for their mental health is a smokescreen to hide the fact that you're letting your own personal "icks" get in the way of these peoples' actual mental health. Meaning you don't actually care for their well-being; you just don't want those icky icky queers near you.

And if you think it isn't obvious to anyone with 3 sparking neurons to rub together and even a tiny bit of basic human decency that this is what you're doing, you're insulting everyone else's intelligence.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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This means, and pay special attention here @Roflmouth and @Blue_Max, that even if trans* people are actually mentally ill, the most efficacious therapy is to bring their bodies in line with their minds. In other words, your supposed concern for their mental health is a smokescreen to hide the fact that you're letting your own personal "icks" get in the way of these peoples' actual mental health. Meaning you don't actually care for their well-being; you just don't want those icky icky queers near you.
And there's the hitch. Everyone I've known that's got 'icks' for non-standard sexuality (whatever that's supposed to mean) doesn't actually want others to feel better, bring their bodies in line with their minds, or even no longer be 'mentally ill' if such a label even makes sense. They just want them to not be who they are.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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I'm very much looking forward to the responses This will be some combination of hilarious, infuriating, pathetic, and lulzy.
 

Commodus

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[ERROR] Argument or rebuttal not found. Abort/ Retry/ Fail?

It's simple. You keep railing against transgender freedoms and cultural acceptance as if they're just fads, as if society is going to wake up one day and decide to completely ostracize these people, to make transition surgery illegal. Sorry, but it's not going to happen. Canada won't repeal those laws; the internet isn't going to destroy all mentions of Transparent; Caitlyn Jenner is not going back to Bruce. You've lost, forever, and you're too chickenshit to even admit it.
 

ch33zw1z

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Nov 4, 2004
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It's simple. You keep railing against transgender freedoms and cultural acceptance as if they're just fads, as if society is going to wake up one day and decide to completely ostracize these people, to make transition surgery illegal. Sorry, but it's not going to happen. Canada won't repeal those laws; the internet isn't going to destroy all mentions of Transparent; Caitlyn Jenner is not going back to Bruce. You've lost, forever, and you're too chickenshit to even admit it.
Maybe, deep down, blue is trans, but mentally torn by social norms he was raised to believe.
 

edcoolio

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@Zorba: from what I've read, there are a large group who express dissatisfaction with gender roles, and a smaller group who outright say, at like age 5, "Mommy, put me back inside you so I can come out a girl this time."

The problem is, the studies the Reich-wingers usually cite when they want to crow about "Hurr hurr 80% desistance rate" do not separate these two. There is a tremendous difference between "Being a girl sucks, I wanna drive a truck when I'm older!" and a 4 year old trying to rip his own penis off in the shower because it feels like an alien appendage.

Again, I have to take trans* people at their word for this, but so far every single one I've known showed massive, permanent, and immediate improvement of their mental state when they began transition in earnest.

This means, and pay special attention here @Roflmouth and @Blue_Max, that even if trans* people are actually mentally ill, the most efficacious therapy is to bring their bodies in line with their minds. In other words, your supposed concern for their mental health is a smokescreen to hide the fact that you're letting your own personal "icks" get in the way of these peoples' actual mental health. Meaning you don't actually care for their well-being; you just don't want those icky icky queers near you.

And if you think it isn't obvious to anyone with 3 sparking neurons to rub together and even a tiny bit of basic human decency that this is what you're doing, you're insulting everyone else's intelligence.

You clearly inferred that "trans*" people may be mentally ill.

Then you argued that, although perfectly healthy otherwise, they should be mutilated instead of getting mental health treatment?? You're either monster or a plastic surgeon. Maybe both.

Look, I understand you have your opinions, but frankly, you're not making much sense with your painfully emotional reactions and bizarre name calling in defense of using radical surgery to correct a mental health issue. Are you in favor of bring back lobotomies as well?
 

Azuma Hazuki

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@edcoolio: how about you fucking read what I wrote, huh? I do not believe trans people are mentally ill. You and your kind seem to. To which my response is, "even if they are, the best treatment is making their bodies match their minds."

Did you fail 4th grade English or something?
 

edcoolio

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@edcoolio: how about you fucking read what I wrote, huh? I do not believe trans people are mentally ill. You and your kind seem to. To which my response is, "even if they are, the best treatment is making their bodies match their minds."

Did you fail 4th grade English or something?

Not so fun when people do it to you, is it? I didn't think so.

Relax. It's all cool.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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Jun 18, 2012
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Excuse me? When have I misrepresented what you said? Piss off with that; you fucked up, and instead of owning it and admitting you fucked up, you decided to...do what exactly? You're acting like our current POTUS.
 

pcgeek11

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Jun 12, 2005
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It's purpose is to protect wards of the state from discrimination and other bullshit.
Read the link and see if any part of it is over reaching.
Based on quick skim, seems to fall on good side of the camp.

If you are a very religious foster family and now see that you can't pray the gay away with your foster child then you might think it bad.
If you are a Catholic and just found out you can't mock your protestant ward anymore you might be pissed.
If you are pissed that you can't call your Inuit ward "You personally little eskimo" anymore you might be pissed.
If you call you lesbian ward "Butch" you might be pissed.

I'm not sure why you are quoting my post: " Well is it Stupid or Good? I don't think it can be both.".

Which was in response to 1sikbITCH post stating: " So in order to protect these children from being abused by those looking to "fix" them, they have to make stupid laws like this.

Good law."

It can't be both...
 

Paladin3

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I'm not sure why you are quoting my post: " Well is it Stupid or Good? I don't think it can be both.".

Which was in response to 1sikbITCH post stating: " So in order to protect these children from being abused by those looking to "fix" them, they have to make stupid laws like this.

Good law."

It can't be both...

It's a good law because it prevents wards of the state from being abused based on gender identity or sexual preference. It's a stupid law in the sense that we shouldn't even need it!

Two of my three children are gay. They're not confused or broken or in need of fixing. It's not a choice nor a moral issue. We can't change their sexual preference or gender identity any more than we could change that of a heterosexual person.

I like most of what Jesus said, but other times I think that book of ignorant bigotry just needs to die.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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It's a good law because it prevents wards of the state from being abused based on gender identity or sexual preference. It's a stupid law in the sense that we shouldn't even need it!

Two of my three children are gay. They're not confused or broken or in need of fixing. It's not a choice nor a moral issue. We can't change their sexual preference or gender identity any more than we could change that of a heterosexual person.

I like most of what Jesus said, but other times I think that book of ignorant bigotry just needs to die.

Thanks, That makes sense the way you explained it.

I was just curious as to why he called it stupid on one hand and then said it was a good law.

It seems to me that it would have been covered under the normal child abuse laws.
 
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