Oh god no...

[mugs]

Obviously you have to try to judge the likelihood of your company getting through this. From what you say it sounds like the company is having a cash flow issue, but would be able to continue business otherwise? You have to consider that if you file for unemployment, there might not be a job waiting for you if the company works through the cash flow issue. Most companies are cutting back, and your company lost a big customer. The ones who abandoned ship might be the ones who get cut.

Obviously you should be sending out resumes. You should have started doing that 5 weeks ago. And if you get an interview, skip work and go to it. But if you think the company will recover, I'm not sure that I would stop working and file for unemployment. If you make a lot of money, unemployment will be a small fraction of what the company would owe you. Yeah it sucks to work for the promise of being paid later. But a chance to keep your job is better than being unemployed in this economy. In better conditions I'd say cut and run; but I think you would have already done that.

Originally posted by: IGBT
..well we've had eight years of the liberal media talking down the economy so who's surprised it's really come about.

:laugh: ..You're insane

 

[TheInternet1980]

Originally posted by: mugs
Obviously you have to try to judge the likelihood of your company getting through this. From what you say it sounds like the company is having a cash flow issue, but would be able to continue business otherwise? You have to consider that if you file for unemployment, there might not be a job waiting for you if the company works through the cash flow issue. Most companies are cutting back, and your company lost a big customer. The ones who abandoned ship might be the ones who get cut.

Obviously you should be sending out resumes. You should have started doing that 5 weeks ago. And if you get an interview, skip work and go to it. But if you think the company will recover, I'm not sure that I would stop working and file for unemployment. If you make a lot of money, unemployment will be a small fraction of what the company would owe you. Yeah it sucks to work for the promise of being paid later. But a chance to keep your job is better than being unemployed in this economy. In better conditions I'd say cut and run; but I think you would have already done that.

If the company does indeed get financing, they would be able to continue. Wal-Mart is by far, our biggest customer. Then again, they haven't had money to get containers out of port in 2 months...so they may have lost Wal-Mart already. Backordering Wal-Mart in the 4th quarter, generally isn't the wisest idea. But, they haven't confirmed they lost them either. I don't know what to think about the situation at this point.

They said they wouldn't hold anything against us in regards to our "personal choice", and would ask the staff to return, if they can flip the switch. But, at this point, I don't believe a word they tell us. I feel wrong saying that. This place was good to me for 3 years. I've been sending out resumes since I've known containers weren't being paid for...but EDI/IT isn't big business in NE Ohio.

 

[bobdole369]

"so what you do is goto unemployment and file a class action lawsuit for unpaid wages."

And how would you go about collecting the judgment? Far better to sue personally. Much less complex. Still the same collecting problem. Just because you win the suit doesn't mean you get the money. OP needs money now. CA's drag on for decades.

TI1980 - Is leaning on your family to get by the next couple weeks an option? Close friends you could borrow a cool thou from? Have some gold to pawn? Seriously, get a loan from a pawn shop for some electronics you can live without. You get a couple months to pay it back. If you have a car you could go deliver pizza or chinese food at a mom and pop store (the chains are BS) - you get paid every day in tips, and lots of places pay you in cash. It sucks, but you might make a couple hundred by the weekend.

Hindsight is 20/20 but when it comes to pay I don't mess around. The instant pay doesn't come through - (and that's happened in the past) - I don't care what excuse I get, I'm out. I might give another day or 3 if I have appointments or obligations to customers, but that's about it. It seems like your job is hanging on by a thread and isn't likely to turn around. I wouldn't go to work tomorrow.

Whatever you do - remember title loans and payday loans are bullshit scams.

Unfortunately unemployment isn't going to come through instantly. You're likely looking at the end of the month before the checks start rolling in, and if you quit - you have some serious explaining to do to get those benefits. You usually have to have quit for reasons "attributable to the employer".

 

[Geekbabe]

Run don't walk to your state's labor board with this.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: mugs
Obviously you have to try to judge the likelihood of your company getting through this. From what you say it sounds like the company is having a cash flow issue, but would be able to continue business otherwise? You have to consider that if you file for unemployment, there might not be a job waiting for you if the company works through the cash flow issue. Most companies are cutting back, and your company lost a big customer. The ones who abandoned ship might be the ones who get cut.

Obviously you should be sending out resumes. You should have started doing that 5 weeks ago. And if you get an interview, skip work and go to it. But if you think the company will recover, I'm not sure that I would stop working and file for unemployment. If you make a lot of money, unemployment will be a small fraction of what the company would owe you. Yeah it sucks to work for the promise of being paid later. But a chance to keep your job is better than being unemployed in this economy. In better conditions I'd say cut and run; but I think you would have already done that.

If the company does indeed get financing, they would be able to continue. Wal-Mart is by far, our biggest customer. Then again, they haven't had money to get containers out of port in 2 months...so they may have lost Wal-Mart already. Backordering Wal-Mart in the 4th quarter, generally isn't the wisest idea. But, they haven't confirmed they lost them either. I don't know what to think about the situation at this point.

They said they wouldn't hold anything against us in regards to our "personal choice", and would ask the staff to return, if they can flip the switch. But, at this point, I don't believe a word they tell us. I feel wrong saying that. This place was good to me for 3 years. I've been sending out resumes since I've known containers weren't being paid for...but EDI/IT isn't big business in NE Ohio.

If they saying that people opting to quit at this point is a "personal decision" what that means is that they're going to protest when you file for unemployment. They can't pay you but don't want to pay for you to collect either.

You definately need to get on the phone, state labor board and unemployment office.


If this company wants to play fair, it can offer it's workers a furlough option.. ie: there's no paying work for these workers at this tiome, the workers can collect unemployment benefits and the company can recall them if they get the funding issues squared away.

 

[bctbct]

Contact the labor board, iirc many states have penalties 2X or 3X the money they owe, payable to YOU.

If they are on the brink of bankruptcy its time to get out. Sorry, hope you get the money and find something soon.


<edit> you shouldnt have any problems getting unemployment if you quit under these circumstances.

 

[compman25]

Who did you work for?

 

[TheInternet1980]

Originally posted by: compman25
Who did you work for?

Hmm...I'm hesitant to post that publicly. I could, but I don't want to burn any bridges. Chances are you've never heard of this piece of shit company that employs 20 people in Solon, OH :laugh:

If you want to know more details...PM me. I'll give you a website and a few e-mail addresses you can spam with goat/tentacle porn.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..well we've had eight years of the liberal media talking down the economy so who's surprised it's really come about.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLYYY SHIT!

You are NUTS, you know that?

"The economy is shit because the evul libz said it would happen"

WHAAAAT?! LOL! How you're capable of figuring out how to operate a computer and a web forum is beyond me.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: compman25
Who did you work for?

Hmm...I'm hesitant to post that publicly. I could, but I don't want to burn any bridges. Chances are you've never heard of this piece of shit company that employs 20 people in Solon, OH :laugh:

If you want to know more details...PM me. I'll give you a website and a few e-mail addresses you can spam with goat/tentacle porn.

My wife works in Solon too...


strange

 

[Deviant Grasshopper]

Wow - that sucks. I hope things work out for you.. Personally, I'd file unemployment now - as in, Today.


If they're 5 weeks behind on everyone's pay I would imagine it's a hard thing to just recover from. I wonder if the higher ups are getting paid?

 

[SP33Demon]

1) File for unemployment now.
2) Send out resumes/get interviews as fast as you can.
3) See if you can get a short-term loan from family/friends, sell any sht you don't need to live so you can pay your bills asap.
4) Seek legal action against old company when you can afford it.

 

[Adul]

did you contact the labor department yet?

 

[moparacer]

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
So my story that I posted in this thread

Worst Economy Since Great Depression P&N

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
No shit. My company is about to go out of business because of Wells Fargo freezing their credit line. In fact, we can't even make payroll. I've been working the last 2 weeks for free basically. Circuit City was one of our customers. 6 months ago we renewed our loan, and borrowed against the projected receivables, CC included. When CC filed for protection, Wells Fargo demanded that money back immediately. As in right fucking now. No monthly payment, etc. To the point where any deposited receivables have been being immediately seized by WF, including from our payroll account.

Keep in mind we do about $15m in annual business with other big box retailers....I just don't understand. I thought the bailout was to relax the credit crunch, not make it so banks don't give a shit if they write you off or not.

Needless to say, I'm a bit too emotionally involved to really look at our situation objectively....but personally speaking, the banks are doing some real harm here.

(Says the guy with $30 in his checking account

Has come back to royally bite me in the ass. Needless to say this issue is still not resolved, and the company now owes us 5 weeks of pay. They refuse to lay us off, and call either coming in, or filing for unemployment a "personal decision". WTF do I do? I have late rent, a late car payment, a check I don't have money to cover coming out of my account on Friday, car insurace to pay on the 20th, a ticket to pay on Friday (or a resulting bench warrant if I can't cover it), and general life chaos all around.

If these guys wouldn't have kept telling me "we're working on it, we expect issues to be resolved with the bank in a matter of days", I could've already been receiving unemployment benefits to cover these things. Now I'm totally fucked. I worked at this place for 3 years. We've never had a payroll issue once. Good lord, I am crushed.

Do what Ice says and go to unemployment, file a class action lawsuit for unpaid wages and contact the state labor commission.

Times like these are why you hear everyone on TV talking about emergency funds with at least 3,6 and even 12 months expenses......

 

[krylon]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: IGBT
..well we've had eight years of the liberal media talking down the economy so who's surprised it's really come about.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLYYY SHIT!

You are NUTS, you know that?

"The economy is shit because the evul libz said it would happen"

WHAAAAT?! LOL! How you're capable of figuring out how to operate a computer and a web forum is beyond me.

Congratulations on being trolled. Hook. Line. and motherfucking sinker.

 

[Vette73]

OP.

1st. Go file for unemployment. It takes 2-4 weeks before you get your first check so do not wait any longer.

2. File a claim in small claims court. if you make $50 a day before tax then Days not paid X $ = the amount you sue for. Do this right after you leave the unemployment office. You want to do this so you are a early on the list when they have to sell all their goods to pay debts.

3. Update resume and talk to some poeple about other jobs.



Good luck.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: Newfie

Originally posted by: IGBT
..well we've had eight years of the liberal media talking down the economy so who's surprised it's really come about.

This really the time to bring up that crap? In all seriousness?

..so what are you going to do after the obama becomes president and the media says the economy is fine. it's your fault you can't find work??

Dope, the media is not going to say the economy is fine unless the facts back it up. :roll:

The media specializes in bad news.

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980

Originally posted by: compman25
Who did you work for?

Hmm...I'm hesitant to post that publicly. I could, but I don't want to burn any bridges. Chances are you've never heard of this piece of shit company that employs 20 people in Solon, OH :laugh:

If you want to know more details...PM me. I'll give you a website and a few e-mail addresses you can spam with goat/tentacle porn.

My wife works in Solon too...


strange

He's obviously boinking your wife.

J/k

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
OP.

1st. Go file for unemployment. It takes 2-4 weeks before you get your first check so do not wait any longer.

2. File a claim in small claims court. if you make $50 a day before tax then Days not paid X $ = the amount you sue for. Do this right after you leave the unemployment office. You want to do this so you are a early on the list when they have to sell all their goods to pay debts.

3. Update resume and talk to some poeple about other jobs.



Good luck.

This is exactly what you want to do. After 5 weeks you are never going to get paid. No company can afford to pay 5 weeks back pay to all their employees, and the bank knows this and will not loan them money.

The only other thing I will add is that in many states you can get an emergency unemployment payment immediately on filing.

 

[SunnyD]

Unfortunate situation. I was in situations where the writing was on the wall. Because I have a family in tow, I am always preemptive, and managed to land two successive jobs over the last two years to avoid situations such as this. You shouldn't have waited hoping for things to get better. Being proactive generally doesn't hurt you in the long run if things work out either way.

I'm personally a bit worried myself - I survived the first round of layoffs at my current job, but that doesn't mean it won't still happen. This time around though I'm contradicting myself - I'm staying put until they kick me out the door. If the economy was better though and it was just a rough patch in the company, I'd sure as hell be exploring my options. The key difference between you and me though, I'm still getting a paycheck in the meantime.

Good luck!

 

[Lalakai]

Establish a solid paper trail. Send certified letter to your company, identifying that you have not been paid since "X", that no official contact has been established identifying if or when you will be paid, the company has not confirmed that you are even still employeed or have been released, and that is your official request for them to identify when you will be paid, and to confirm that you are still employeed or have been terminated. Give them 15 days upon reciept, to reply.

Identify in the letter that you are sending a carbon copy to the state labor board and better business bureau.

Realize that by doing this you may be burning bridges and really pissing managment off, as it officially forces them to address your situation and identify their course of action. If they take no action, then you can use that when you start unemployment application.

have you tried talking directly with your boss and seeing if he can give you some type of unofficial word? As for what WF is pulling, that's a bunch of bs. all the money they've gotten from uncle sam has gone into their own accounts and covering the bad decisions they made, with very little of it reaching the little guys at the bottom. gonna cry me a river when i hear of them going out of business and having to actually work for a living.

 

[TheInternet1980]

So I went in today, cleaned up some things, took some crap out of my desk, wiped it down, etc.

I told my boss I was going to file for unemployment effective today. I have done that, so this is my waiting week (01/10-1/17). I can file a new claim which will be paid next week, on Sunday. So in the short-term, I'm ok. I fixed someone's personal machine today for $140, so I can cover my ticket and not have a bench warrant.

Going forward, I'm going to close the checking account, and try to work out with the company the check was written to, an alternate payment arrangement, given the circumstances. Tomorrow, I will be sending a certified letter to the sum what Lalakai posted. If no response, 8 or so employees have decided to take the case to court, with the attorney being paid based on the settlement amount. We will be going for damages and interest as well as the 5 weeks of unpaid work.

This sucks. I like my boss, I enjoyed working at the company, and I hate to see them in this position. But I do need to look out for myself, when it comes right down to it. I do not see this place recovering from this at all.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: TheInternet1980 Tomorrow, I will be sending a certified letter to the sum what Lalakai posted. If no response, 8 or so employees have decided to take the case to court, with the attorney being paid based on the settlement amount. We will be going for damages and interest as well as the 5 weeks of unpaid work.

Good luck, but dont hope for much... i was working for a company about 2 years ago that ended up similar, and ... unfortunately.. they did file for bankruptcy...

the bankruptcy courts basically told employees that their wages were not "priority payments" and that debts owed by the company (assets.. equipment... property rental... bills..) were priority payments.

here it is 2 years later.. and i'm STILL waiting to get paid my back pay... we're still on the list of debtors to collect.. but i'm not holding my breath

 

[dartworth]

good luck...if you need anything or have questions about Ohio unemployment, LMK


keep us updated

 

[mortong]

I've seen this happen before and if the company declares bankruptcy, there's really not much you can do to collect your money. I worked for a company that went through this and got out the week before everyone stopped getting paid. Everyone stayed on for another month to "help the company make it." At the end of the month, they declared bankruptcy and the employees never saw a dime.

Sad, sad stuff.