Oh, My! Michele Bachmann Oxygen Deprived...

[jackschmittusa]

Budmantom

"On her worst day she must be 2-3 times smarter than Barrack Hussein Obama."

Sometimes you make question whether your brain is a functioning organ. The woman is dumber than a box of rocks. Every time she opens her mouth she proves that she is a fool of the first order.

There is no rational way to show that she is smart, knowledgeable, enlightened, or logical using her own words. If you fail to see that, the 2 of you may perhaps share a similar mental capacity.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Budmantom

"On her worst day she must be 2-3 times smarter than Barrack Hussein Obama."

Sometimes you make question whether your brain is a functioning organ. The woman is dumber than a box of rocks. Every time she opens her mouth she proves that she is a fool of the first order.

There is no rational way to show that she is smart, knowledgeable, enlightened, or logical using her own words. If you fail to see that, the 2 of you may perhaps share a similar mental capacity.

He's just trolling, sooner or later he'll get banned like the rest of them.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Harvey
Michele Bachmann tells Congress that carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas because it's a "natural" gas and it's around 4% of the earth's atmosphere.

• < psst >... Michelle...

Carbon dioxide forms approximately 0.04% of the Earth's atmosphere.

On her worst day she must be 2-3 times smarter than Barrack Hussein Obama.

Talk about throwing any shred of credibility out the window with an asinine statement like that. Not that you had much left though....

Do you think I'm too conservative and the number should be higher?

What's the point? Why even post stuff like this?

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-

Gosh oh gee willikers, Fern. You, might want to try flogging your memory by searching Google for "Virginia Foxx" "Matthew Sheppard"

It works better if you do it before you post in ignorance.

I don't see how your links are helpful in the least.

Here's the inof they have:

The New York Times reported in 1998: "According to the local police and prosecutors, the two men lured Mr. Shepard out of a bar by saying they were gay. Then, the Laramie police say, the pair kidnapped Mr. Shepard, pistol-whipped him with a .357 Magnum, and left him tied to a ranch fence for 18 hours until a passing bicyclist spotted Mr. Shepard, who was unconscious."

So what? Where does it sound like anything other than a brutal robbery/murder (that happen all the time), it certainly doesn't say they killed him because he was gay.

The current GA trial where two black guys raped/tortured/murdered 2 whites is not assumed to be a hate crime, so I don't why this one should be either.

AFAIK, nobody but the criminals knows what their true motivations were. (And I'm not sure I'd believe them anyway.)

Fern

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
It was only a matter of time before the CDC discovered an outbreak of Michele Bachmann quotes.

Bachmann, speaking on Pajamas TV, noted: "I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out then under another Democrat president Jimmy Carter. And I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence."

The 1976 swine flu scare happened on Gerald Ford's watch.

We checked Wikipedia.

Ford was a Republican.

http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.c...-michele-bachmann.html

Jon Stewart with a few choice words. FF to 2:00 in.

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
What's the point? Why even post stuff like this?

Same reason Lohan & Co don't wear undies then act shocked when someone gets a pic of their cooter...to get attention.

 

[TheDoc9]

The real issue here is that they're talking about a carbon tax and you just totally seemed to dodge that harvey. Instead, choosing to make fun of someone for literally less than nothing.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: TheDoc9
The real issue here is that they're talking about a carbon tax and you just totally seemed to dodge that harvey. Instead, choosing to make fun of someone for literally less than nothing.

Erm, no. Look her up. She's a virtual female Bidencopia of flubs and wackiness. And I think you missed the point, which is that they're claiming co2 is "natural" and therefore couldn't possibly be anything to worry about. Volcanoes are natural too.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fern

So what? Where does it sound like anything other than a brutal robbery/murder (that happen all the time), it certainly doesn't say they killed him because he was gay.

Just once, I wish you'd try to use your own brain and do some homework before acting like a shallow vapor head, If that's too much to ask, I'll lay it out for you. Start here:

The attack

Shepard's murderers, Russell Arthur Henderson and Aaron James McKinney, awaiting testimony in court (1998)

Shortly after midnight on October 7, 1998, 21-year-old Shepard met McKinney and Henderson in a bar. McKinney and Henderson offered Shepard a ride in their car. Subsequently, Shepard was robbed, pistol whipped, tortured, tied to a fence in a remote, rural area, and left to die. McKinney and Henderson also found out his address and intended to rob his home. Still tied to the fence, Shepard was discovered eighteen hours later by Aaron Kreifels, who at first thought that Shepard was a scarecrow. At the time of discovery, Shepard was still alive, but in a coma.

Shepard suffered a fracture from the back of his head to the front of his right ear. He had severe brain stem damage, which affected his body's ability to regulate heart rate, body temperature and other vital signs. There were also about a dozen small lacerations around his head, face and neck. His injuries were deemed too severe for doctors to operate. Shepard never regained consciousness and remained on full life support. As he lay in intensive care, candlelight vigils were held by the people of Laramie.

He was pronounced dead at 12:53 A.M. on October 12, 1998 at Poudre Valley Hospital in Fort Collins. Police arrested McKinney and Henderson shortly thereafter, finding the bloody gun as well as the victim's shoes and wallet in their truck.

The two men had attempted to get their girlfriends to provide alibis.

The trial

In court the defendants used varying rationales to defend their actions. They attempted to use the "gay panic defense", arguing that they were driven to temporary insanity by alleged sexual advances by Shepard. At another point they stated that they had only wanted to rob Shepard and never intended to kill him.

The prosecutor in the case charged that McKinney and Henderson pretended to be gay in order to gain Shepard's trust to rob him. During the trial, Chastity Pasley and Kristen Price (the pair's then-girlfriends) testified under oath that Henderson and McKinney both plotted beforehand to rob a gay man. McKinney and Henderson then went to the Fireside Lounge and selected Shepard as their target. McKinney alleged that Shepard asked them for a ride home. After befriending him, they took him to a remote area of Laramie where they robbed him, beat him severely (media reports often contained the graphic account of the pistol whipping and his smashed skull), and tied him to a fence with a rope from McKinney's truck. Shepard begged for his life. Both girlfriends also testified that neither McKinney nor Henderson was under the influence of drugs at the time. The beating was so severe that the only areas on Shepard's face that were not covered in blood were those where his tears had washed the blood stains away.

Cliffs for the intellectually and morally challenged:

1. Matthew Sheppard was brutally murdered.

2. The murderers offered multiple, conflicting motives for their crimes.

3. There is sufficient evidence to believe that at least part their motive was that Sheppard was gay.

4. Congress debates and passes a federal hate crimest bill, H.R. 1913, that would make it a federal offense to assault someone because of their sexual orientation. The bill was named in Matthew Sheppard's memory.

5. Matthew Sheppard's mother was in the audience for the House debate when intellectually when morally challenged Rep. Virginia Foxx opened her mouth to challenge assigning Sheppard's name to the bill because she said his murder was not a hate crime but a mere robbery. She said:

I also would like to point out that there was a bill -- the hate crimes bill that's called the Matthew Shepard bill is named after a very unfortunate incident that happened where a young man was killed, but we know that that young man was killed in the commitment of a robbery. It wasn't because he was gay. This -- the bill was named for him, hate crimes bill was named for him, but it's really a hoax that that continues to be used as an excuse for passing these bills.

In making such pronouncements, Rep. Foxx didn't know her ass from the proverbial hole in the ground. Neither do you in defending her statement, let alone her cruelty. :thumbsdown:

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Harvey
Michele Bachmann tells Congress that carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas because it's a "natural" gas and it's around 4% of the earth's atmosphere.

• < psst >... Michelle...

Carbon dioxide forms approximately 0.04% of the Earth's atmosphere.

On her worst day she must be 2-3 times smarter than Barrack Hussein Obama.

Talk about throwing any shred of credibility out the window with an asinine statement like that. Not that you had much left though....

Do you think I'm too conservative and the number should be higher?

What's the point? Why even post stuff like this?

He's a troll and contributes absolutely nothing to P&N. Not sure why he hasn't been banned to be honest.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fern

So what? Where does it sound like anything other than a brutal robbery/murder (that happen all the time), it certainly doesn't say they killed him because he was gay.

Just once, I wish you'd try to use your own brain and do some homework before acting like a shallow vapor head, If that's too much to ask, I'll lay it out for you. Start here:

The attack
-snip-

None of that does anything to prove they killed him because he was gay.

I agree that they targeted gays to rob, seems to me it's a helluva lot easier to pick up a guy at a gay bar than go to straight bar and pick up a straight guy. How the hell do you do that?

I.e., a target of convenience and that proves nothing.

So if a (insert race) goes to a rich nightclub (i.e. full of white people) to rob does that mean he hates white people, or is he just after money?

Fern

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fern

So what? Where does it sound like anything other than a brutal robbery/murder (that happen all the time), it certainly doesn't say they killed him because he was gay.

Just once, I wish you'd try to use your own brain and do some homework before acting like a shallow vapor head, If that's too much to ask, I'll lay it out for you. Start here:

The attack
-snip-

None of that does anything to prove they killed him because he was gay.

And your reply is as shallow, vapid and off the point as the rest of your posts in this thread.

Whether Sheppard was murdered because he was gay isn't even the question. The thread is about one of Michelle Bachmann's exercises in pedi-oral insertion. I started the thread so you can trust me on this. CitizenKain posted to note Rep. Foxx's similar exercise in stupidity.

Regarding Foxx, the point is that her statement was callous, insensitive and entirely false in its premise. Foxx COULD HAVE done her homework. If she's too computer challenged, she could have had one of her staff check out the facts to vet the statement, thereby avoiding embarrassing herself, her state, Congress and the nation.

lupi replied with a one line piece demonstrating his own typical stupidity, but I expect that from him.

OTOH, I expect better from you, and I'm still appalled that, without the most minimal fact check, you took up the banner not only to echo lupi's post but to expand on it to defend both his and Foxx's idiocy.

I keep hoping you'll wake the fsck up and think and do your homework before you post to embarrass yourself again. :roll:

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fern

So what? Where does it sound like anything other than a brutal robbery/murder (that happen all the time), it certainly doesn't say they killed him because he was gay.

Just once, I wish you'd try to use your own brain and do some homework before acting like a shallow vapor head, If that's too much to ask, I'll lay it out for you. Start here:

The attack
-snip-

None of that does anything to prove they killed him because he was gay.

I agree that they targeted gays to rob, seems to me it's a helluva lot easier to pick up a guy at a gay bar than go to straight bar and pick up a straight guy. How the hell do you do that?

I.e., a target of convenience and that proves nothing.

So if a (insert race) goes to a rich nightclub (i.e. full of white people) to rob does that mean he hates white people, or is he just after money?

Fern

Err, so they wanted to target gays specifically, but that doesn't prove they killed him because he was gay?

Think harder.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-
I.e., a target of convenience and that proves nothing.

So if a (insert race) goes to a rich nightclub (i.e. full of white people) to rob does that mean he hates white people, or is he just after money?

Fern

Err, so they wanted to target gays specifically, but that doesn't prove they killed him because he was gay?

Think harder.

Read harder

Fern

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-
I.e., a target of convenience and that proves nothing.

So if a (insert race) goes to a rich nightclub (i.e. full of white people) to rob does that mean he hates white people, or is he just after money?

Fern

Err, so they wanted to target gays specifically, but that doesn't prove they killed him because he was gay?

Think harder.

Read harder

Fern

Except you snipped out the part where you admit they targeted him because he was gay.

I also fail to see how it is more convenient for two straight men to pick up a gay man than a straight woman.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-
Regarding Foxx, the point is that her statement was callous, insensitive and entirely false in its premise. Foxx COULD HAVE done her homework. If she's too computer challenged, she could have had one of her staff check out the facts to vet the statement, thereby avoiding embarrassing herself, her state, Congress and the nation.

I heard her on TV.

I didn't hear anything callous or insensitive.

I didn't hear her make any remark remotely disrespectful of Sheppard. Her remarks were critical of the MSM that's hardly ofensive or unusual. The MSM often gets things wrong (Katrina coverage is a good example)

And you continue to assert that they were false yet no one has proven or demonstrated that.

All I'm saying is I see no reason for outrage, still don't. I think some take pleasure in looking a reason to be 'outraged'.

Fern

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fern

I heard her on TV.

I didn't hear anything callous or insensitive.

The most callous and insensitive words in this thread are your idiotic posts.

I didn't hear her make any remark remotely disrespectful of Sheppard. Her remarks were critical of the MSM that's hardly ofensive or unusual. The MSM often gets things wrong (Katrina coverage is a good example)

The question before the House was whether the federal hate crimest bill, H.R. 1913 should be passed.

Rep. Foxx's statement had nothing to do with that question. Instead, she digressed to spew her own bigtory with an irrelevant statement that "the bill was named for him, hate crimes bill was named for him, but it's really a hoax that that continues to be used as an excuse for passing these bills."

The most significant aspects of this are that she was DEAD ASS WRONG in her assumptions, and that in spewing her irrelevant, false garbage, Foxx callously and needlessly inflicted further pain on Matthew Sheppard's mother who was present to witness the passage of the bill named in honor her murdered son.

And you continue to assert that they were false yet no one has proven or demonstrated that.

All I'm saying is I see no reason for outrage, still don't. I think some take pleasure in looking a reason to be 'outraged'.

All I'm saying is, your density is astounding, and your sensitity as a human being is nil! :thumbsdown:

Try going back to defending Michelle Bachmann. She was the topic of the thread, and she's enough of an idiot to be worth a good laugh so you can continue to prove yourself a shallow, pathetic joke without sounding like such a hateful bigot.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Harvey
The most callous and insensitive words in this thread are your idiotic posts.

Harvey, let's cut out the personal attacks or I'll have to let the other mods deal with you.

Oh wait, your personal attacks are OK. :roll:

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Harvey
The most callous and insensitive words in this thread are your idiotic posts.

Harvey, let's cut out the personal attacks or I'll have to let the other mods deal with you.

Oh wait, your personal attacks are OK. :roll:

I attacked his posts, which are idiotic and insensitive, and I included hard quotes to support the statement.

 

[jackschmittusa]

There are 2 aspects of this thread that interest me.

1. I think the whole "hate crimes" as additional offenses, or crime magnifiers is unneeded and stupid from the point of American justice for a lot of reasons.

2. Rep. Foxx is an ass for her presentation. She makes statements based on personal interpretation not wholly supported with facts, or at least ignoring facts that might point to a different interpretation. She asserts that others have lied and deceived only because they have reached different conclusions. There was no value to the Congressional discussion to be derived from her rant. Her words amounted to an attack. Perhaps she will see the wisdom of remaining silent until she has something useful to contribute.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Ugghh!, Michele Bachmann. All this bloviating, faux outrage. The passions of even the most ignorant wingnut are flammable in the presence of revolutionary rhetoric and imagery.

Can we tax her God or something?

 

[eits]

when it comes to science, i'm gonna side with the dude wearing a bowtie 9 times out of 10...

 

[Deliximus]

HAHAHA Bachmann is the same bitch that said that the last Swine Flu in the 70s was under a Democratic President (ie. Carter). Then, in the same minutes, she said she wasn't attacking Obama and it was just a 'coincidence'. But of course, we all know that the Swine Flu happened on Ford's watch. But do we blame him? No. Just like we don't blame Bush for SARS, Bird's Flu, etc etc. what a dumb bitch.

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: Deliximus
HAHAHA Bachmann is the same bitch that said that the last Swine Flu in the 70s was under a Democratic President (ie. Carter). Then, in the same minutes, she said she wasn't attacking Obama and it was just a 'coincidence'. But of course, we all know that the Swine Flu happened on Ford's watch. But do we blame him? No. Just like we don't blame Bush for SARS, Bird's Flu, etc etc. what a dumb bitch.

Look man... Jesus himself descended from Heaven to the WH Rose Garden to give Reagan the Aids as His Holy Lightsabre for St. Reagan to smite the godless pagan homosexuals before they rape the children and sheep of America any longer.

God gave America Swine Flu as they elected a pork hating muslim. And LIEburals say god has no sense of humor or irony! hahahahaha!!!! Payback is bitch motherfuckers!!





Well, maybe not so much a bitch... but at least kinda scary, and maybe good for a headcold and a few days of missed work or something.