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[K1052]

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

you ever actually been inside a tire-making plant? there is a LOT of physical labor involved.

I was going to say this. I worked at a plant and its not all sit there and watch a machine work. It lifting all damn day long non stop feeding the machines and back breaking labor and HOT as an oven in there. Anyone here ever stack semi tires rase your hand?

<<<-----Ferverishly raises hand.

Try stacking 75-100lb semi tires 8 foot high all day long. Working at a factory is not like you see on tv where most are sitting around doing nothing. And I worked at a few and serviced alot of parts washers at a ton more. Not easy work to say the least. Some worth every penny they make and in some case not nearly enough at $8 an hour to work like a freaking dog sweating and breaking your back all day long.

But I hate to be a scab like the OP and crossing that picket line. When it comes close to the plant closing, then your going to see sh!t happening. Hope you got great car insurance and a great lawyer You want to talk about desperate union workers pissed about a scab taking his job at a plant he will NEVER be able to work at again tat is for sure closing. Some will beat the sh!t out of your car, some will beat the sh!t out of you, and some will be crazy enough to jump in front in hopes you kill them or injury them and live to sue you. Id be very careful when it comes close to the plant closing its doors if I were you. Union workers hate scabs and hate them more when they take thier jobs to the end when the doors close and there isnt even a picket job to look forward to anymore and YOU will be the person they will take it out with. And this will go on for ever including if they see you on the street. You will be to blame and I bet they didnt tell you this tid bit of goodies when you got hired to take a unions persons job did they?

This reminds me why I dislike unions so. Death threats, pipe bombs, vandalism, and arson aren't my idea of good union practices.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

you ever actually been inside a tire-making plant? there is a LOT of physical labor involved.

I was going to say this. I worked at a plant and its not all sit there and watch a machine work. It lifting all damn day long non stop feeding the machines and back breaking labor and HOT as an oven in there. Anyone here ever stack semi tires rase your hand?

<<<-----Ferverishly raises hand.

Try stacking 75-100lb semi tires 8 foot high all day long. Working at a factory is not like you see on tv where most are sitting around doing nothing. And I worked at a few and serviced alot of parts washers at a ton more. Not easy work to say the least. Some worth every penny they make and in some case not nearly enough at $8 an hour to work like a freaking dog sweating and breaking your back all day long.

But I hate to be a scab like the OP and crossing that picket line. When it comes close to the plant closing, then your going to see sh!t happening. Hope you got great car insurance and a great lawyer You want to talk about desperate union workers pissed about a scab taking his job at a plant he will NEVER be able to work at again tat is for sure closing. Some will beat the sh!t out of your car, some will beat the sh!t out of you, and some will be crazy enough to jump in front in hopes you kill them or injury them and live to sue you. Id be very careful when it comes close to the plant closing its doors if I were you. Union workers hate scabs and hate them more when they take thier jobs to the end when the doors close and there isnt even a picket job to look forward to anymore and YOU will be the person they will take it out with. And this will go on for ever including if they see you on the street. You will be to blame and I bet they didnt tell you this tid bit of goodies when you got hired to take a unions persons job did they?

I was never hired to take a Union Workers job. I have been here for 5 years in the drafting dept. More years than a good number of the union workers at this plant.
Our department has always been contract labor.
Well they cannot cross the gate because we have the entire plant gated.
And guards on duty.
But they have been caught yelling obscene things at people going into the plant. And getting too close to cars, and doing God knows what else.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

you ever actually been inside a tire-making plant? there is a LOT of physical labor involved.

It's not that bad.
I mean, there is physical labor involved, but most everything is moved via conveyor.
What isnt is moved via fork truck.
There are a few jobs that require lifting tires, most of those jobs are to check for defects and problems with a certain batch.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

QFFT

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

you ever actually been inside a tire-making plant? there is a LOT of physical labor involved.

I was going to say this. I worked at a plant and its not all sit there and watch a machine work. It lifting all damn day long non stop feeding the machines and back breaking labor and HOT as an oven in there. Anyone here ever stack semi tires rase your hand?

<<<-----Ferverishly raises hand.

Try stacking 75-100lb semi tires 8 foot high all day long. Working at a factory is not like you see on tv where most are sitting around doing nothing. And I worked at a few and serviced alot of parts washers at a ton more. Not easy work to say the least. Some worth every penny they make and in some case not nearly enough at $8 an hour to work like a freaking dog sweating and breaking your back all day long.

But I hate to be a scab like the OP and crossing that picket line. When it comes close to the plant closing, then your going to see sh!t happening. Hope you got great car insurance and a great lawyer You want to talk about desperate union workers pissed about a scab taking his job at a plant he will NEVER be able to work at again tat is for sure closing. Some will beat the sh!t out of your car, some will beat the sh!t out of you, and some will be crazy enough to jump in front in hopes you kill them or injury them and live to sue you. Id be very careful when it comes close to the plant closing its doors if I were you. Union workers hate scabs and hate them more when they take thier jobs to the end when the doors close and there isnt even a picket job to look forward to anymore and YOU will be the person they will take it out with. And this will go on for ever including if they see you on the street. You will be to blame and I bet they didnt tell you this tid bit of goodies when you got hired to take a unions persons job did they?

I was never hired to take a Union Workers job. I have been here for 5 years in the drafting dept. More years than a good number of the union workers at this plant.
Our department has always been contract labor.
Well they cannot cross the gate because we have the entire plant gated.
And guards on duty.
But they have been caught yelling obscene things at people going into the plant. And getting too close to cars, and doing God knows what else.

Thats going to get a lot worse when the closing time comes. Just be really careful man, seriously.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

Or perhaps they should can the layer of managment that watches the workers watch the machines work.

Well one of our janitors was making 45k a year. Thats just too much for picking up trash.
The union will give in, and will go back to work. It's sad but they cannot hold out forever.
Management didn't make much more, if not less, than the union workers. But they were employed via Unico, which is a contracted hiring company. They still work for Goodyear, but not for the union.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: j00fek
just run em over

I'd love to spend some quality time in jail...lol.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

you ever actually been inside a tire-making plant? there is a LOT of physical labor involved.

I was going to say this. I worked at a plant and its not all sit there and watch a machine work. It lifting all damn day long non stop feeding the machines and back breaking labor and HOT as an oven in there. Anyone here ever stack semi tires rase your hand?

<<<-----Ferverishly raises hand.

Try stacking 75-100lb semi tires 8 foot high all day long. Working at a factory is not like you see on tv where most are sitting around doing nothing. And I worked at a few and serviced alot of parts washers at a ton more. Not easy work to say the least. Some worth every penny they make and in some case not nearly enough at $8 an hour to work like a freaking dog sweating and breaking your back all day long.

But I hate to be a scab like the OP and crossing that picket line. When it comes close to the plant closing, then your going to see sh!t happening. Hope you got great car insurance and a great lawyer You want to talk about desperate union workers pissed about a scab taking his job at a plant he will NEVER be able to work at again tat is for sure closing. Some will beat the sh!t out of your car, some will beat the sh!t out of you, and some will be crazy enough to jump in front in hopes you kill them or injury them and live to sue you. Id be very careful when it comes close to the plant closing its doors if I were you. Union workers hate scabs and hate them more when they take thier jobs to the end when the doors close and there isnt even a picket job to look forward to anymore and YOU will be the person they will take it out with. And this will go on for ever including if they see you on the street. You will be to blame and I bet they didnt tell you this tid bit of goodies when you got hired to take a unions persons job did they?

I was never hired to take a Union Workers job. I have been here for 5 years in the drafting dept. More years than a good number of the union workers at this plant.
Our department has always been contract labor.
Well they cannot cross the gate because we have the entire plant gated.
And guards on duty.
But they have been caught yelling obscene things at people going into the plant. And getting too close to cars, and doing God knows what else.

Thats going to get a lot worse when the closing time comes. Just be really careful man, seriously.

I agree. They will have to have the police come out and take care of it.
Let's just say they better not touch my car or me.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

QFFT

Spoken by idiots that have never seen the inside of a tire plant. Let alone worked in one.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

you ever actually been inside a tire-making plant? there is a LOT of physical labor involved.

I was going to say this. I worked at a plant and its not all sit there and watch a machine work. It lifting all damn day long non stop feeding the machines and back breaking labor and HOT as an oven in there. Anyone here ever stack semi tires rase your hand?

<<<-----Ferverishly raises hand.

Try stacking 75-100lb semi tires 8 foot high all day long. Working at a factory is not like you see on tv where most are sitting around doing nothing. And I worked at a few and serviced alot of parts washers at a ton more. Not easy work to say the least. Some worth every penny they make and in some case not nearly enough at $8 an hour to work like a freaking dog sweating and breaking your back all day long.

But I hate to be a scab like the OP and crossing that picket line. When it comes close to the plant closing, then your going to see sh!t happening. Hope you got great car insurance and a great lawyer You want to talk about desperate union workers pissed about a scab taking his job at a plant he will NEVER be able to work at again tat is for sure closing. Some will beat the sh!t out of your car, some will beat the sh!t out of you, and some will be crazy enough to jump in front in hopes you kill them or injury them and live to sue you. Id be very careful when it comes close to the plant closing its doors if I were you. Union workers hate scabs and hate them more when they take thier jobs to the end when the doors close and there isnt even a picket job to look forward to anymore and YOU will be the person they will take it out with. And this will go on for ever including if they see you on the street. You will be to blame and I bet they didnt tell you this tid bit of goodies when you got hired to take a unions persons job did they?

I was never hired to take a Union Workers job. I have been here for 5 years in the drafting dept. More years than a good number of the union workers at this plant.
Our department has always been contract labor.
Well they cannot cross the gate because we have the entire plant gated.
And guards on duty.
But they have been caught yelling obscene things at people going into the plant. And getting too close to cars, and doing God knows what else.

Thats going to get a lot worse when the closing time comes. Just be really careful man, seriously.

I agree. They will have to have the police come out and take care of it.
Let's just say they better not touch my car or me.

OH and working there were you a union employee? Are you now a union employee still? If not then in their eyes as you pass the picket line you are seen to them as a scab. Granted you may of been working there for 5 years but if your not union and not out there with them your a scab. Just the way union workers look at you. Your either there with a sign with them, or your crossing the line and your agaist them and taking what used to be thier job. And I dont know you but I would be safe to say, that, you against say, what, 50-200 pissed off steel workers, your gonna lose

Id just be thinking about that waiter job when it comes close to the doors closing if I were you. You dont have to worry about company loyalty IMO. They obviously didnt about the workers. think the higher ups got laid off or took a pay cut? Nope. its called riding the wave to the end and hurt all around you as long as yours dont get touched. Lay offs, plant closings, out sourcing, what ever it takes as long as they keep their fat ass checks and bonuses till the fun stops. then sell the company to the highest bidder for that last fat ass check.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: funboy42

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

you ever actually been inside a tire-making plant? there is a LOT of physical labor involved.

I was going to say this. I worked at a plant and its not all sit there and watch a machine work. It lifting all damn day long non stop feeding the machines and back breaking labor and HOT as an oven in there. Anyone here ever stack semi tires rase your hand?

<<<-----Ferverishly raises hand.

Try stacking 75-100lb semi tires 8 foot high all day long. Working at a factory is not like you see on tv where most are sitting around doing nothing. And I worked at a few and serviced alot of parts washers at a ton more. Not easy work to say the least. Some worth every penny they make and in some case not nearly enough at $8 an hour to work like a freaking dog sweating and breaking your back all day long.

But I hate to be a scab like the OP and crossing that picket line. When it comes close to the plant closing, then your going to see sh!t happening. Hope you got great car insurance and a great lawyer You want to talk about desperate union workers pissed about a scab taking his job at a plant he will NEVER be able to work at again tat is for sure closing. Some will beat the sh!t out of your car, some will beat the sh!t out of you, and some will be crazy enough to jump in front in hopes you kill them or injury them and live to sue you. Id be very careful when it comes close to the plant closing its doors if I were you. Union workers hate scabs and hate them more when they take thier jobs to the end when the doors close and there isnt even a picket job to look forward to anymore and YOU will be the person they will take it out with. And this will go on for ever including if they see you on the street. You will be to blame and I bet they didnt tell you this tid bit of goodies when you got hired to take a unions persons job did they?

This reminds me why I dislike unions so. Death threats, pipe bombs, vandalism, and arson aren't my idea of good union practices.

There has been absolutely none of that sort of thing at the Topeka KS plant. Our union employees (different trade) enter the plant every day to work on construction. There have been a few things said, but nothing drastic, and the bulk understand the situation.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

I was never in the Union.
I am contracted and always was.
They never had my job, it was never a Union job. I dont work in the plant, but in the offices.
I agree that the top rung is still making their money and bonuses and what not.
But, thats not my problem. My problem is paying my bills. I am a loyal person to those loyal to me. Everyone and everything else can suck my ass.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

you ever actually been inside a tire-making plant? there is a LOT of physical labor involved.

It's not that bad.
I mean, there is physical labor involved, but most everything is moved via conveyor.
What isnt is moved via fork truck.
There are a few jobs that require lifting tires, most of those jobs are to check for defects and problems with a certain batch.

your plant is different then. Much of the tire building here is done with quite a bit of physical labor involved to assemble pieces. Plus all the stacking and lifting.

 

[Rastus]

They are violating your God Given, Constitutionally Decreed, Mod Approved right to Nef at Work. Sue them to Bolivia.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

But they DESERVE it. Why should they actually have to work for a living, when thye can sit on their asses and chit chat all day.

Yeah they should work hard like you do...posting at ATOT from your computer at work:roll:

 

[BoomerD]

So, those of you who think these union members are overpaid, do you also think YOU'RE overpaid? I mean after all, many of you sit at a desk, in a climate-controlled office all day, getting paid to surf ATOT or other forums. Many of you have never done a day's work in a manual labor job, but rather, have spent your life in schools until you got this nice office job. Try working in a factory, or working construction some time, then tell us that we are overpaid...another issue...for you union haters out there...if all the unions in the world went away tomorrow, YOUR wages and benefits would plummet. It's the unions out there that keep non-union wages and benefits going.
Hate unions? Then stop taking paid vacations, paid holidays, sick leave, never accept that horrible welfare known as Social Security, if you get hurt at work, don't let them pay you work comp, j ust "take one for the company"...
OP, as someone who has stood a few picket lines over the years, considering your particular job, you have every right to go to work every day, since you're not a union member, nor taking the job from a union member, but you ARE crossing a picket line, and THAT can really cause lots of hard feelings.
Be EXTREMELY careful when you drive through that line...sh!t can happen pretty fast. PLUS, consider that you live in the same town as many of these picketers, and LOTS of folks take this sh!t pretty personally...after that plant closes, they WILL remember that you crossed their picket line...

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JS80
lol, keep voting democrat and support the unions.

Yea vote republican so they can outsource the job and tell you Min. wage at wal-mart is plenty. :roll:

I think unions are double edged swords - sometimes, with employers that look out for their people, unions are a cost and a thorn in everyone's side. They're antiquated and shelter people only interested in doing the bare minimum.

On the other hand, with predatory companies (like Wal-Mart, but moreso corporations in general) unions NEED to be there and often don't do enough when new contracts are negotiated. Someone above said $45k/yr is too much to pick up trash. While I'm inclined to agree, someone has to do it, and I don't think $6.50/hour is enough, and that's when unions are a good thing.

Unions have a very fine line to walk in my book, between letting their members down and becoming too burdensome to the companies they negotiate with. Too rarely today do they do a good job of walking it.

 

[DefDC]

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JS80
lol, keep voting democrat and support the unions.

Yea vote republican so they can outsource the job and tell you Min. wage at wal-mart is plenty. :roll:

I think unions are double edged swords - sometimes, with employers that look out for their people, unions are a cost and a thorn in everyone's side. They're antiquated and shelter people only interested in doing the bare minimum.

On the other hand, with predatory companies (like Wal-Mart, but moreso corporations in general) unions NEED to be there and often don't do enough when new contracts are negotiated. Someone above said $45k/yr is too much to pick up trash. While I'm inclined to agree, someone has to do it, and I don't think $6.50/hour is enough, and that's when unions are a good thing.

Unions have a very fine line to walk in my book, between letting their members down and becoming too burdensome to the companies they negotiate with. Too rarely today do they do a good job of walking it.

Thank you. You only need to look at history to see WHY unions were formed to see why they are needed today. Are many of the corrupt? Of course. Are they necessary? Absolutely.

As union memebership declines in this country you can see our benfits are already drifting away. Our jobs are being outsourced. Payrates are declining.

And corporations are more profitable than ever.

I'm not anti-corporation, but it's a crime when CEOs get paid MULTIMILLION dollar bonuses, for LAYING OFF American workers from a profitable company.

And, just take a peek at 18th century Europe to see what working conditions would look like without unions... History, people!

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

Workers are strinking against cuts, not raises.

Goodyear passed out 13 million in bonuses last year for the big shots.

Hard to stomach the company wanting you to take a pay cut so they can raid the wealth off your sweat.

BTW last contract they took cuts to keep goodyear alive enough to create these bonuses.

OP you are selling yourself short working without benefits.

 

[Umberger]

Originally posted by: everman
Sounds like your aim is waaay off, perhaps you need a wheel alignment?

yes, without the proper wheel alignment, you will not achieve the proper slip angle and pneumatic trail, making it much harder to hit the little buggers.

 

[NTB]

Originally posted by: Stunt
"close"?

That's completely unaceptable...drive faster...

yeah...this ain't horseshoes - close doesn't count

Nathan

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How long do these idiots think they can earn $30/hr for watching a machine work all day before they drive the company to seek cheaper labor?

Workers are strinking against cuts, not raises.

Goodyear passed out 13 million in bonuses last year for the big shots.

Hard to stomach the company wanting you to take a pay cut so they can raid the wealth off your sweat.

BTW last contract they took cuts to keep goodyear alive enough to create these bonuses.

OP you are selling yourself short working without benefits.

Last job I was laid off was a union one. ALL of the big top guys all across the USA got brand new Ford explorers and excursions. I got laid off 3 months later claiming they were losing money, WELL FVCKING DUH yeah all the bosses needed new Explorers, HOW ABOUT I NEED A FVCKING JOB BITCH! Laid off my division, my truck only because it was the odest of the fleet. And of the other 3 units in the Vac divions for the Rail road ours were the only ones working. WE BEGGED to have them bring us a newer truck while the others BEGGED to send it so they could be laid off and collect unemployment. Big bosses said it would cost to much to send the truck to us. So instead the big bosses sent the truck and the other employees to cover our work we had up north WTF and of the the other 3 divisions ours got the work done the fastest, under the quoted time, had the rail the cleanest any have ever seen (thanks to me), and we got complemented them most of any of the other teams and were asked for then any other team.

I do not understand how some rich people and big bosses get where they are because 90% of rich and big bosses I have come into contact with are dummer then a box of hammers. They laid us off and kept a team on that said they didnt mind getting laid off and were fvcking slackers and did piss poor job. Unfvcking believable how big corperations can be run with some of these people in control.

 

[N8Magic]

Originally posted by: K1052
If the plant is history why are they still picketing?

To teach the company a lesson! :roll:

 

[dartworth]

Picketing is a form of resistance in which people congregate outside a place of work or location where an event is taking place. Often, this is done in an attempt to dissuade others from going in ("crossing the picket line"), but it can also be done to draw public attention to a cause. Pickets normally endeavor to be non-violent. It can have a number of aims, but is generally to put pressure on the party targeted to meet particular demands. This pressure is achieved by harming the business through loss of custom and negative publicity, or by discouraging or preventing workers from entering the site and thereby preventing the business from operating normally.

Picketing is a common tactic used by trade unions during strikes, who will try to prevent dissident members of the union, members of other unions and ununionised workers from working. Those who cross the picket line and work despite the strike are known pejoratively as scabs

Picketing as long as it does not cause obstruction to a highway or intimidation is legal in many countries and in line with freedom of assembly laws but many countries have restrictions on the use of picketing.

In the UK the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 gives protection under civil law for pickets who are acting in connection with an industrial dispute at or near their workplace who are using their picketing to peacefully obtain or communicate information or peacefully persuading any person to work or abstain from working. However, many employers have recently taken to gaining injunctions to limit the effect of picketing outside their work place, the granting of injunctions tends to be based on the accusation of intimidation or general on peaceful behaviour and the claim that numbers of the pickers are not from the effected work place[4]. Historically, picking was banned by a Liberal government in the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1871 but then decriminalised by a Conservative government with the Conspiracy and Protection of Property Act 1875.[5]

In the US any strike activity was hard to organise in the early 1900s however picketing became more common after the Norris-LaGuardia Act of 1932, which limited the ability of employers to gain injunctions to stop strikes, and further legislation which supported the right to organise for the unions. Mass picketing and secondary picketing was however outlawed by the The Taft-Hartley Labor Act (1947)