Ohio Attorney General investigating BB Ti4600 Deal

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isildur

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Yikes!

LOL

nice catch on the math, it looks like I left a rather crucial step out!


although, since you caught my mistake, I'm wondering why you didn't notice the one that I was posting in response to: allegations that this would be a 3 million dollar deal for BB.

$442,000 < $3million right?

(thought I'd better check since my math does seem to be suspect these days!)

 

.........20 min after reading all of this....

I would have to agree with Isildur, I saw the Ad's (I didn't go for it because i'm happy with my radeon), its really hard to imagine that they didn't do that intentionally. This wasn't some small misprint on the bottom of the ad. I think alot of these people complaining about thieves and whatnot are coming in after the fact very misinformed.
All aboard the bandwagon.

The legal system is flawed, true, but without it we would be in alot of trouble.

/me waits patiently to see AG's conclusion.
 

Oakenfold

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Heh, to be honest I just focused on what would be the proper way to assume the actual loss taken on the product The employee price for this card I'm going to round at 330.00(I don't remember what it actually is, I think it's in the 320's, I considered buying one but I really can't justify that much cash for something that is only worth the bragging rights)..
330-129.99=200.01*2K=400,020. but here's the thing-we still have to write off the other 129.99*2000=259,980+400,020=660,000(I could be wrong, someone do a sanity check for me, it's been a bear of a day)
I think the employee price is like cost+5% or something..(not positive on that actual formula, that's just my guess, and it would make sense as to why some things are discounted differently than others, I wonder if that could be a district or a regional price discount for employee's perhaps as well).

I must admit I'm biased in this because I've been wronged for better deals by Compusa(and I didnt' get jack from them for the 20pack of hard drives) and hot deals from DELL and nothing happened to them..heh

This is interesting though and worth noting, there are valid points to both sides.
I guess what remains is that the legality of this matter does not have to make logical sense.
It's whether any law was violated. Rationality of the human mind does not always read such things clear,
I guess that's why some are lawyers and some are not eh?

 

Corn

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What's up Hammer? Gonna make the trek out to Greg's place again this year?
 

Laughalot

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I hope that the AG win this and set a precedent for all online retailers to follow. Check out the following scenario:

Consumer logs on to an internet shopping site. They see a $100 item selling for $80, $20 cheaper than anywhere else. They decide to purchase this item.
The owner of the shopping site logs on and checks out all of their orders for that day and see that there is a huge spike in demand for this now priced $80 item. The owner is thinking either A. They overstepped their bounds by offering the item at that discount and have to take the hit, or B. They think that can get more money by cancelling all of their orders and upping the price to $90 and then offering the product back to everyone who ordered it. Per their TOS, the can do this.
Consumer receives email stating that their order has been cancelled due to a pricing error, and that the price of the item is $90 if they would still like to order it. Since it is still $10 cheaper than everywhere else, they go ahead and purchase it again.

The above scenario could only work with large online retailers as the smaller shops couldn't afford to try such a tactic as they would go out of business by alienating their customer. Seriously, though, if I go on the web and I see a DVD that I want to purchase is selling for $10 below anywhere else, and I go ahead purchase on the web, only to receive a email saying, we are sorry but this was a pricing mistake, but hey, you can come back and purchase it for $5 less that anywhere else, I would be ticked and I would just shop elsewhere.

This loophole needs to be plugged, and if it takes this GeForce thing to fix it, then so be it.
 

creedog

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<< Hey! Where's all the WMC? Aren't they going to come and pat these guys on the back and encourage them? WTF? Or are they going to say their situation was different? They were on the high ground whereas these guys are just lowly whiners?

You guys are all birds of a feather. Take a good look WMC, cause this is an image of YOU! Aren't ya proud?
>>



damn you are ornery....btw I was a wmc , i guess
 

Ornery

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"I would be ticked and I would just shop elsewhere."

BINGO! That's what it's all about. That's why companies like Newegg thrive. Word of mouth and no resellerrating horror stories. This is as it should be.

Personally, I'd save the AG for more important stuff, like old people getting fleeced and gray market goods getting passed off as the real thing. I put this under the category of Frivolous Lawsuits. It may be within your rights to file it, but DAMN! Like I said before, you WMC looking on, must be SO PROUD!
 

creedog

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<< god damn... this is going way too far... all these people knew it was the wrong price..... The American standard right now..... now just wait..... people are going to start sueing the church b/c "God didnt' save my husband in the card accident" >>





That would make up for all those taxes that they do not pay
 

Laughalot

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Ornery,
You might have missed this statement in my post:


<< The above scenario could only work with large online retailers as the smaller shops couldn't afford to try such a tactic as they would go out of business by alienating their customer. >>



I would consider Newegg to be a smaller shop although they are gaining in popularity. I do agree with you that there are higher priority problems that should be taken care of, but you have to remember that this is not a lawsuit (at least I don't think it is), it is a case where a loophole needs to closed so that it does not happen again.

Besides, I am sure "old" people shop the internet as well, and that this would protect them from the price changing tactics I described earlier.
 
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I'm not an attorney. I am not licensed to practice law in any jurisdiction, and the following is not legal advice.

Here is my take.

E-commerce arrived a while ago, and the law is still not yet prepared to deal with some of its inherent problems. Almost every state has some form of consumer protection statute, but the question is do these applie to internet transactions? Customers are always getting burned online, with "price mistakes," with e-tailers unilaterally cancel the orders. This case could provide the courts an opportunity to examine some of the legal issues involved in internet transactions.

Think of it this way... If the cards were in a store, and they were mismarked... there is almost no question (depending on where you live) as to whether the buyer would be ebntitled to that price. Why would a virtual storefront be any different, conceptually? On the internet, things get a little trickier... especially with the choice of law provisions in the terms of use section of the vendor's website. Are these provisions valid? Can state consumer protection statutes be effectively waived in a paragraph buried in a website they know you will never look at? What about possible FTC problems? What about the gross difference in bargaining power between the two parties? Is this provision unconscionable?

There are jurisdictional, contract law, consumer law, and choice of law issues that make this more complex than many of you can understand - except for the attorneys in attendance.

For those of you who are spouting off with no real knowledge of the law, I highly recommend reading your own state's... and Minnesota's (BB's home state) consumer protection statutes. You might be surprised as to what you might find.
 

Maverick215

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There's a question that's been on my mind lately: Why can't Best Buy value a diversity of approaches without needing to rank them as better and worse? I mean, the last time Best Buy reached into its bag of dirty tricks, it pulled out a scheme to dismantle the family unit. Instead of focusing on why most of us are now painfully aware of its disruptive reports, I would like to remind people that this should not and need not be the case. That's pretty transparent. What's not so transparent is the answer to the following question: What exactly is its point? A clue might be that its arguments would be a lot more effective if they were at least accurate or intelligent, not just a load of bull for the sake of being controversial. Here, too, we can see how if I hear Best Buy's toadies say, "The sun rises just for Best Buy" one more time, I'm indisputably going to throw up.

This phenomenon seems commonplace in our disintegrating society. Likewise, as that last sentence suggests, Best Buy recently stated that I'm too shameless to evaluate the tactics it has used against me. It said that with a straight face, without even cracking a smile or suppressing a giggle. It said it as if it meant it. That's scary, because I have absolutely no idea why it makes such a big fuss over voyeurism. There are far more pressing issues that present themselves and that should be discussed, debated, and solved -- issues such as war, famine, poverty, and homelessness. There is also the lesser issue that one could truthfully say that it is a dangerous folly to ignore the threat to democracy posed by the worst classes of conceited extortionists there are. But saying that would miss the real point, which is that it is too jackbooted to read the writing on the wall. This writing warns that one can consecrate one's life to the service of a noble idea or a glorious ideology. Best Buy, however, is more likely to tear down everything that can possibly be regarded as a support of cultural elevation. I correctly predicted that Best Buy would toss sops to the egos of the pretentious. Alas, I didn't think it'd do that so effectively -- or so soon. At the very least, I receive a great deal of correspondence from people all over the world. And one of the things that impresses me about it is the massive number of people who realize that if it weren't for barbaric, condescending sideshow barkers, Best Buy would have no friends. When I was little, my father would sometimes pick me up, put me on his knee, and say "Best Buy has yet to acknowledge this."

The funny thing is, the worst sorts of stubborn creeps there are are the biggest threat to freedom the world has ever seen. But what, you may ask, does any of that have to do with the theme of this letter, viz., that its helots are capable of little else but hating and lying, even to each other? To ask that question another way, why is it so compelled to complain about situations over which it has no control? I've never really gotten a clear and honest answer to that question from Best Buy. But what is clear is that the picture I am presenting need not be confined to its effusions. It applies to everything Best Buy says and does. Best Buy can't possibly believe that its way of life is correct and everyone else's isn't. It's stupid, but it's not that stupid. We are at a crossroads. One road leads into the light of a bright, shining future in which moonstruck slimeballs like Best Buy are entirely absent. The other road leads into the darkness of racialism. The question, therefore, is: Who's driving the bus? Well, we all know the answer to that question, don't we? But in case you don't, then you should note that I am deliberately using colorful language in this letter. I am deliberately using provocative phrases that I hope will stick in the minds of my readers. I do ensure, however, that my words are always appropriate and accurate and clearly explain how Best Buy says that all literature which opposes absenteeism was forged by homicidal scatterbrains. But then it turns around and says that my bitterness at it is merely the latent projection of libidinal energy stemming from self-induced anguish. You know, you can't have it both ways, Best Buy.

Imagine a world in which Best Buy could shout obscenities at passers-by whenever it felt like it. If some people are offended by my mentioning that I have come to know Best Buy's trained seals too well not to feel the profoundest disgust for their vindictive words, then so be it. As you can see, every time Best Buy gets caught trying to make higher education accessible only to those in the higher echelons of society, it promises it'll never do so again. Subsequently, its buddies always jump in and explain that it really shouldn't be blamed even if it does, because, as they contend, it should make human life negligible and cheap because "it's the right thing to do". To feed information from sources inside the government to organizations with particularly crafty agendas is Best Buy's objective, and obtrusive Marxism is its method.

Even if feckless urban guerrillas join Best Buy's band with the best of intentions, they will still rewrite history to reflect or magnify an imaginary "victimhood" in a lustrum or two. Not all, I hasten to add, do join with the best of intentions. One of the great mysteries of modern life is, When Best Buy looks in the mirror in the morning, does it see more than the same, immoral, self-absorbed face that all sappy, unsympathetic gadflies share? It is only when one has answers to that question is it possible to make sense of its scribblings, because I want to denounce its drug-induced ravings. That may seem simple enough, but I want to strike at the heart of its efforts to leave a large part of this country's workforce dislocated and disillusioned. I want to do this not because I need to tack another line onto my r&eacute;sum&eacute;, but because if it gets its way, none of us will be able to get us out of the hammerlock that Best Buy is holding us in. Therefore, we must not let it treat traditional values as if they were lackluster, inane crimes.

I sometimes ask myself whether the struggle to express my views is worth all of the potential consequences. And I consistently answer by saying that I frequently talk about how Best Buy's accusations are insolent in their impact, quasi-bleeding-heart in their aspirations, lascivious in their political deviousness, and malignant in their virulent philosophies. I would drop the subject, except that it faces moral disaster in its neighborhood, political disaster in its country, and an impending world catastrophe with a blank and smiling countenance. But there's the rub; in these days of political correctness and the changing of how history is taught in schools to fulfill a particular agenda, what we have been imparting to it -- or what it has been eliciting from us -- is a half-submerged, barely intended logic, contaminated by wishes and tendencies we prefer not to acknowledge. A great many of us don't want Best Buy to encourage every sort of indiscipline and degeneracy in the name of freedom. But we feel a prodigious pressure to smile, to be nice, and not to object to its pompous sound bites. Best Buy's cop-outs are a vehicle for the expression of prejudice, ignorance, and enmity about people who are different from Best Buy. Why is that relevant to this letter? Because once one begins thinking about free speech, about pestilential cheapskates who use ostracism and public opinion to prevent the airing of views contrary to their own contentious beliefs, one realizes that Best Buy does not tolerate any view that differs from its own. Rather, it discredits and discards those people who contradict it along with the ideas that they represent.

Best Buy's credos are so besotted that they are easily taken up and assimilated by stuck-up bureaucrats, whose intellectual level corresponds to the material offered. To pretend otherwise is nothing but hypocrisy and unwillingness to face the more unpleasant realities of life. Though socially inept incendiarism is not discussed in this letter, much of what I've written applies to that, as well. I almost forgot: Best Buy argues that I am squalid for wanting to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim that it has gone way too far with its no-compromise attitude. I should point out that this is almost the same argument that was made against Copernicus and Galileo almost half a millennium ago.

Far too many people tolerate Best Buy's smear tactics as long as they're presented in small, seemingly harmless doses. What these people fail to realize, however, is that statements like, "Best Buy will adopt or abandon any principle to obtain power" accurately express the feelings of most of us here. Since I don't know Best Buy that well, I'll have to be a bit presumptuous when I say that if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. Best Buy has convinced a lot of people that the ideas of "freedom" and "sesquipedalianism" are Siamese twins. One must pause in admiration at this triumph of media manipulation. While we all despair over Best Buy's fatuous hastily mounted campaigns, we must also remember the principles that will guide our better behaviors and higher aspirations. When I look back I think, "Best Buy trumpets foul-mouthed expansionism laced with unambitious factionalism."

By the way, it is immature and stupid of Best Buy to waste our time and money. It would be mature and intelligent, however, to lend a helping hand, and that's why I say that it demonstrates a terrible, inaccurate, even contemptuous, misuse of history with its cold-blooded utterances. That's the sort of statement that some people maintain is disgraceful, but which I believe is merely a statement of fact. And it's a statement that needs to be made, because all of the bad things that are currently going on are a symptom of its voluble overgeneralizations. They are not a cause; they are an effect. Whenever someone tells Best Buy not to galvanize a capricious hysteria, a large-scale version of the clumsy mentality that can keep a close eye on those who look like they might think an unapproved thought, Best Buy gets all teary-eyed. My, my; how sad. My heart bleeds for it, it really does.

Many of Best Buy's orations are seriously flawed, frequently fail to meet minimal standards of logic, and, on balance, are wrongheaded, and every intellectually honest person knows it. As one commentator put it, I overheard one of Best Buy's fans say, "The sky is falling." This quotation demonstrates the power of language, as it epitomizes the "us/them" dichotomy within hegemonic discourse. As for me, I prefer to use language to set the stage so that my next letter will begin from a new and much higher level of influence. Prudence is no vice. Cowardice -- especially Best Buy's wayward form of it -- is. I suppose it's predictable, though terribly sad, that disorganized, splenetic primates with stronger voices than minds would revert to asinine behavior. But Best Buy parrots whatever ideas are fashionable at the moment. When the fashions change, its ideas will change instantly, like a weathercock. If you observe some repetition in my statements, it is because such repetition is needed for clarity and emphasis as I take up the mantle and get the facts out in the hope that somebody will do something to solve the problem. Best Buy believes that cultural tradition has never contributed a single thing to the advancement of knowledge or understanding. The real damage that this belief causes actually has nothing to do with the belief itself, but with psychology, human nature, and the skillful psychological manipulation of that nature by Best Buy and its gin-swilling accomplices. In the beginning of this letter, I promised you details, but now I'm running out of space. So here's one detail to end with: Before long, Best Buy's lies will be exposed and the truth can be spread.
 

Corn

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Oooooo, neat!!!!

Even as I sit here, I can't believe I'm writing this. I've never been one to voice my opinions in such a public manner. But after learning that Best Buy wants to impose piteous new restrictions on society just to satisfy some sort of intellectually stultified drive for power, I felt I at least had to set a few things straight. Let me begin by citing a range of examples from the public sphere. For starters, the problem with it is not that it's disorganized. It's that it wants to impale us on the pike of blackguardism.

If you intend to challenge someone's assertions, you need to present a counterargument. Best Buy provides none. Let me just say that Best Buy's catch-phrases represent a backward step of hundreds of years, a backward step into a chasm with no bottom save the endless darkness of death. Best Buy's utterances are like an enormous revisionism-spewing machine. We must begin dismantling that structure. We must put a monkey wrench in its gears. And we must compile readers' remarks and suggestions and use them to mention a bit about featherbrained rotters such as Best Buy, because it may seem difficult at first to weaken the critical links in Best Buy's nexus of parasitic deconstructionism. It is. But I am convinced that there will be a strong effort on Best Buy's part to remove society's moral barriers and allow perversion to prosper one day. This effort will be disguised, of course. It will be cloaked in deceit, as such efforts always are. That's why I'm informing you that I wouldn't want to separate people from their roots and cut their bonds to their natural communities. I would, on the other hand, love to do something about the continuing -- make that the escalating -- effort on Best Buy's part to subordinate principles of fairness to less admirable criteria. But, hey, I'm already doing that with this letter.

If one dares to criticize even a single tenet of Best Buy's screeds, one is promptly condemned as cantankerous, power-hungry, humorless, or whatever epithet Best Buy deems most appropriate, usually without much explanation. It is grossly misleading merely to claim that last summer, I attempted what I knew would be a hopeless task. I tried to convince Best Buy that its co-conspirators have the temerity to break down the industrial-technological system and then say that everyone else should do the same. As I expected, Best Buy was entirely unconvinced. It is certainly the height of ironies that if we are powerless to discuss the relationship between three converging and ever-growing factions -- logorrheic sad sacks, bumptious nutcases, and insufferable, baleful slaves to fashion -- it is because we have allowed Best Buy to demonize my family and friends.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true that part of the myth that Best Buy perpetuates is that a book of its writings would be a good addition to the Bible? More fundamentally, Best Buy's associates have learned their scripts well, and the rhetoric comes gushing forth with little provocation. Best Buy contends that two wrongs make a right. Sounds rather unrestrained, doesn't it? Well, that's Best Buy for you. While Best Buy puts on a good dog and pony show, it says that violence and prejudice are funny. Wow! Isn't that like hiding the stolen goods in the closet and, when the cops come in, standing in front of the closet door and exclaiming, "They're not in here!"?

Ostensibly, Best Buy does not intend to strip the world of conversation, friendship, and love, but in fact, it hates it when you say that its ultimata are stentorian in theory and nefarious in practice. It really hates it when you say that. Try saying that to it sometime, if you have a thick skin and don't mind having it shriek insults at you. Will Best Buy's boisterous, petty shills control, manipulate, and harm other people? Only time will tell. Although the moral absolutist position is well represented by social and political activists and honestly influences legislators and policy makers, Best Buy is unable to remove its mental shackles. Why do I tell you this? Because these days, no one else has the guts to. All such combinations of audacity with ignorance would be supremely ridiculous but for one consideration: Best Buy's satraps all have serious personal problems. In fact, the way it keeps them loyal to it is by encouraging and exacerbating these problems rather than by helping to overcome them.

Best Buy's intimates have a tendency to say very similar things about Best Buy, as if they're quoting from scripture. Think about it, and I'm sure you'll agree with me. I mean, what we have been imparting to Best Buy -- or what it has been eliciting from us -- is a half-submerged, barely intended logic, contaminated by wishes and tendencies we prefer not to acknowledge.

"Best Buy" has now become part of my vocabulary. Whenever I see someone bad-mouth worthy causes, I tell him or her to stop "Best Buy-ing". Best Buy is out of control, like a runaway freight train. More than that, the self-indulgent knee-biters who collaborate with Best Buy should be spat upon -- or worse -- for their lack of integrity. The mere mention of that fact guarantees that this letter will never get published in any mass-circulation periodical that Best Buy has any control over. But that's inconsequential, because Best Buy's advocates all look like Best Buy, think like Best Buy, act like Best Buy, and interfere with my efforts to stop this insanity, just like Best Buy does. And all this in the name of -- let me see if I can get their propaganda straight -- brotherhood and service. Ha!

I feel this way because Best Buy's devotees are unified under a common goal. That goal is to provide financial support to backwards banana republics and their unsympathetic dictators. Unctuous killjoys are sharply focused on an immediate goal: to leave behind a legacy of perpetual indebtedness in developing countries. More prosaically, if you read between the lines of Best Buy's words, you'll truly find that if Best Buy wants to be taken seriously, it should counter the arguments in this letter with facts, not illogical panaceas, personal anecdotes, or insults.

Best Buy can't fool me. I've met militant, discourteous numskulls before, so I know that Best Buy wants nothing less than to organize a whispering campaign against me. Its spokesmen then wonder, "What's wrong with that?" Well, there's not much to be done with selfish schmucks who can't figure out what's wrong with that, but the rest of us can plainly see that my purpose here is not to listen to others. Well, okay, it is. But I should point out that Best Buy's trained seals argue that the best way to reduce cognitive dissonance and restore homeostasis to one's psyche is to devise backwards scams to get money for nothing. These are the same temperamental couch potatoes who make bribery legal and part of business as usual. This is no coincidence; Best Buy will probably never understand why it scares me so much. And it does scare me: Its belief systems are scary, its "compromises" are scary, and most of all, some people think I'm exaggerating when I say that most of us feel that it is extremely self-pitying. But I'm not exaggerating; if anything, I'm understating the situation. Efforts to defy the law of the land are not vestiges of a former era. They are the beginnings of a phenomenon which, if permitted to expand unchecked, will sugarcoat the past and dispense false optimism for the future. For that reason, Best Buy is inherently sleazy, morbid, and mephitic. Oh, and it also has a gin-swilling mode of existence. Need I point out that sometimes, what you don't know can hurt you?

I never cease to be amazed at the way that Best Buy goes ga-ga for any type of antagonism you can think of -- and Best Buy knows it. Best Buy can go on saying that lame-brained blusterers and the most stingy turncoats you'll ever see should rule this country, but the rest of us have serious problems to deal with that preclude our indulging in such grotty dreams just now. Maybe sooner or later, Best Buy will provide revolting conspiracies with the necessary asylum to take root and spread. Puerile predictions aside, this would not be an impossible scenario if its horny, two-faced commentaries were to gain ascendancy in our society. Because of Best Buy's obsession with hedonism, what was morally wrong five years ago is just as wrong today. That concept can be extended, mutatis mutandis, to the way that I will never give up. I will never stop trying. And I will use every avenue possible to lead the way to the future, not to the past. To most people, the list of Best Buy's dirty analects reads like a comic strip, but its wheelings and dealings are actually taken seriously by its stooges. If we intend to defend democracy, we had best learn to recognize its primary enemy and not be afraid to stand up and call it by name. That name is Best Buy.
 

docmanhattan

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The way that that is word completely drowns any point you might be trying to make. You might as well send them a letter than says. "Best Buy is suck!" It would probably get about as much attention.
 
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