You are talking about a vice president and if they are a failure, the measuring stick is vice presidencies, so yes, he can put it in the context of other vice presidents. This is basic logical conversation, so I know it's tough for you.This isn't about Mr. Weak Sauce Pence....
Again, no formal charges, no court conviction is required under the wording of the 14th amendment…but the Colorado Supreme Court DID rule that Trump was guilty of insurrection…
But you agree that people engaging in an armed invasion of the country should be eligible to be elected president until a court convicts them, right?Cool. Put him in jail then.
But prosecution isn't required to run afoul of the amendment. So a non-prosecutorial body has to be the arbiter of such a decision, else an insurrectionist let off on a technicality can become president.Congress did take needed action for this. They passed a Law against insurrection to allow the DOJ to prosecute people for this. Are you just being obtuse or what?
there's Joe Biden........So tell us about all these amazing vice presidents that have graced the white house in the last 40 years vs Kamala.
Gee, I wonder why.@pcgeek11 has previously stated that George Bush was a good VP, but refused to articulate what he did as VP that made him a good VP. So we're left with more "secret reasons".
"seditious conspiracy" is not the same thing as insurrection. No One has been charged with Insurrection.
I see you still refuse to read what I've posted.
From the law link above:
The prohibition on rebellion and insurrection arises in federal law at 18 U.S.C. Section 2383. The law prohibits incitement, assistance, and participation in a rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States and its laws. The punishment for this crime includes a fine, up to 10 years in federal prison, and ineligibility for federal public office.
Rebellion and insurrection refer specifically to acts of violence against the state or its officers. For example, Merriam-Webster defines these terms as follows:
- Rebellion: Opposition to one in authority or dominance; open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government
- Insurrection: An act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government
This distinguishes the crime from sedition, which is the organized incitement to rebellion or civil disorder against the authority of the state. It also separates the crime from treason, which is the violation of allegiance owed to one's country by betrayal or acting to aid the country's enemies.
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
But prosecution isn't required to run afoul of the amendment. So a non-prosecutorial body has to be the arbiter of such a decision, else an insurrectionist let off on a technicality can become president.
Yup, there's a reason the amendment doesn't include the words 'charged' nor 'convicted'.geek seems pretty OK with that because he's made up his mind that since nobody has been charged with insurrection (ignoring innocent until guilt has been proven, just charged) that it wasn't an insurrection.
Nice little read here:
Insurrection | Definition, Laws, Examples, & Facts
Insurrection, an organized and usually violent act of revolt or rebellion against an established government or governing authority of a nation-state or other political entity by a group of its citizens or subjects; also, any act of engaging in such a revolt.www.britannica.com
I guess when there's a murder and nobody was charged with murder then it wasn't actually a murder.
Someone that is actually leading an armed invasion should be shot.
Just because you went to school doesn't mean you aren't an idiot. Just because you blew you way into State AG Position doesn't mean that you are not an idiot either.
Well you are saying something ridiculous.
Trying to relate Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee and the civil war to Trump and a riot of private citizens at the Capital Building.
No it is not a result of my logic. They are apples and oranges.
It is still innocent until proven guilty. No one has been charged with insurrection.
He deals with it daily, for the rest of his life.Then why do you think the prosecutors of the Civil War should be denied the vote? They were never convicted, therefore never guilty of anything.
What is it?
You are the one that must deal with your garbage logic. Not us.
A venn diagram between the is almost a circleOh, I know, and it was easily predictable this is how you’d respond both times
Jan 6 and all the efforts at a state level amount to both seditious conspiracy and insurrection (both separately and together). I have my opinions as to why they’re not be charged with insurrection.
Explaining the difference doesn’t change the fact that your tribe just tried to overthrow our election system because they lost. You can tap dance around this all you want, but you still voted twice for a guy who led this. It may make you feel better, but you’re still supporting treasonous behavior. And guess what, the GOP ain’t gonna stop now, with or without Trump.
Both seditious conspiracy and insurrection a very serious federal crimes. I see in this thread you're still using the RW talking point that Jan. 6 was a "riot"... Jan. 6th specifically was not a peaceful protest, nor was it a riot. People showed up with weapons and seized a government building in an effort to stop the certification of a federal election. People died, more people were injured. What separates a riot from a insurrection is intent. This wasn't a riot about police brutality like we've seen and your RW news outlets love to talk about, the intent was so much more.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384 - Seditious Conspiracy
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383 - Rebellion or insurrection.
Yes, this is all very simple. If a conviction is needed then Davis and Lee were eligible. There is no escaping this ironclad logic.Then why do you think the prosecutors of the Civil War should be denied the vote? They were never convicted, therefore never guilty of anything.
What is it?
You are the one that must deal with your garbage logic. Not us.
@Jon-T you have to feel pretty stupid now that Biden easily solved that problem.Ahh - so when Democrats quickly and easily take care of this by holding some pro-forma convention ahead of the deadline you will then agree that this is a display of competence and revise your opinion.
Can you confirm?
Link broke@Jon-T you have to feel pretty stupid now that Biden easily solved that problem.
I guess you agree that shows he is highly competent. Agree?
Why do you think you were so easily played?
“Joe Biden will be on the ballot in Ohio and all 50 states, and Ohio Republicans agree,” DNC Chairman Jaime Harrison said in a statement Tuesday. “But when the time has come for action, they have failed to act every time, so Democrats will land this plane on our own.”
@Jon-T you have to feel pretty stupid now that Biden easily solved that problem.
I guess you agree that shows he is highly competent. Agree?
Why do you think you were so easily played?
lol look who didn’t read the story. The special session is unnecessary because the Biden campaign and the DNC quickly and easily fixed the issue themselves, exactly like I told you they would.Ohio Senate passes GOP-led Biden ballot access bill without Democrats' support
Ohio lawmakers convened on Tuesday for a special session to address President Joe Biden's ability to appear on their general election ballot in November.abcnews.go.com
You go to a drive through and they give you a chicken sandwich instead of the fish sandwich you ordered, you proceed to see the manager who corrects the situation.
The Ohio situation should have never existed. There are supposed professionals who are supposed to take care of this stuff, they failed at the most basic part of their job. That is not competence.
Let me guess. You are the kid who puts the wrong sandwich in the bag and has to have the manager correct your mistake and you think you should now be employee of the month