Ohio SOS Wants to Ban Biden From Ballot

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Look I was asked a question and answered it honestly. Sorry you don't like it. I'm not going to continue beating this dead horse. Let the courts decide. I'll live with that decision when it happens.
It's sad when someone is completely incapable of forming their own opinions.
 
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fskimospy

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Why wasn't he charged and convicted?

Look I was asked a question and answered it honestly. Sorry you don't like it. I'm not going to continue beating this dead horse. Let the courts decide. I'll live with that decision when it happens.
This has been asked in this thread and in others and I don’t think I’ve ever seen it answered.

This logic means the people who wrote the 14th amendment thought it should be legal Robert E. Lee and/or Jefferson Davis to become president of the United States in 1868.

Do you think that’s the case? If so, why. If not, then clearly they did not consider being tried and convicted of a crime to be necessary. Which side do you land on?
 

fskimospy

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Why wasn't he charged and convicted?

Look I was asked a question and answered it honestly. Sorry you don't like it. I'm not going to continue beating this dead horse. Let the courts decide. I'll live with that decision when it happens.
This has been asked in this thread and in others and I don’t think I’ve ever seen it answered.

This logic means the people who wrote the 14th amendment thought it should be legal Robert E. Lee and/or Jefferson Davis to become president of the United States in 1868.

Do you think that’s the case? If so, why. If not, then clearly they did not consider being tried and convicted of a crime to be necessary. Which side do you land on?
 

Greenman

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This has been asked in this thread and in others and I don’t think I’ve ever seen it answered.

This logic means the people who wrote the 14th amendment thought it should be legal Robert E. Lee and/or Jefferson Davis to become president of the United States in 1868.

Do you think that’s the case? If so, why. If not, then clearly they did not consider being tried and convicted of a crime to be necessary. Which side do you land on?
So the accusation become the conviction? Do you think the framers wanted that? No hearing, no ability to address the charges, no defense? "Everyone knows" suddenly becomes the standard for denial of rights?

It's well established that amendments can be limited, interpreted, constrained. It's been done to the second, why not the fourteenth?
 

HomerJS

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So the accusation become the conviction? Do you think the framers wanted that? No hearing, no ability to address the charges, no defense? "Everyone knows" suddenly becomes the standard for denial of rights?

It's well established that amendments can be limited, interpreted, constrained. It's been done to the second, why not the fourteenth?
If Taylor Swift tries to get on a ballot, do we have to have a trial and conviction to conclude she is 34?
 

K1052

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It's well established that amendments can be limited, interpreted, constrained. It's been done to the second, why not the fourteenth?

The argument that Trump has innovated a kind of insurrection unforeseen by the people who wrote an amendment in the wake of the CIVIL WAR and thus merits unique treatment is absolutely delusional.
 

IronWing

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So the accusation become the conviction? Do you think the framers wanted that? No hearing, no ability to address the charges, no defense? "Everyone knows" suddenly becomes the standard for denial of rights?

It's well established that amendments can be limited, interpreted, constrained. It's been done to the second, why not the fourteenth?
The Colorado Supreme Court concluded that Trump is an insurrectionist after due process.But you already knew that and are pulling your usual dishonest shit.
 
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So the accusation become the conviction? Do you think the framers wanted that? No hearing, no ability to address the charges, no defense? "Everyone knows" suddenly becomes the standard for denial of rights?

It's well established that amendments can be limited, interpreted, constrained. It's been done to the second, why not the fourteenth?
Don't believe your lying eyes, right? (Nevermind the CO court records that support the fact finding).

He's not being denied his freedom, he would just be denied the ability to run for office due to not meeting the qualifications (ie, don't be an insurrectionist).
 

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So the accusation become the conviction? Do you think the framers wanted that? No hearing, no ability to address the charges, no defense? "Everyone knows" suddenly becomes the standard for denial of rights?

It's well established that amendments can be limited, interpreted, constrained. It's been done to the second, why not the fourteenth?
No, it was adjudicated by a court. So the exact opposite of what you claim.

So again - did the framers of the 14th amendment intend for Robert E. Lee to be able to be president?
 

fskimospy

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The argument that Trump has innovated a kind of insurrection unforeseen by the people who wrote an amendment in the wake of the CIVIL WAR and thus merits unique treatment is absolutely delusional.
And again, everyone tries to avoid the question because the answer is so obvious. It is entirely clear that the people who framed the 14th amendment intended to bar Jefferson Davis from becoming president of the US if he chose to run, and Davis was never convicted of any crime.

So the logic is very simple. You either say:

1) Conviction of a crime is not required to bar someone from the presidency for engaging in insurrection.

OR

2) The people who wrote the 14th amendment intended for Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee to be the potentially elected president of the US in 1868.

Those are the two options.

@Greenman and @pcgeek11 - which one is it?
 

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And again, everyone tries to avoid the question because the answer is so obvious. It is entirely clear that the people who framed the 14th amendment intended to bar Jefferson Davis from becoming president of the US if he chose to run, and Davis was never convicted of any crime.

So the logic is very simple. You either say:

1) Conviction of a crime is not required to bar someone from the presidency for engaging in insurrection.

OR

2) The people who wrote the 14th amendment intended for Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee to be the potentially elected president of the US in 1868.

Those are the two options.

@Greenman and @pcgeek11 - which one is it?
Greenman And pcgeek. Such a fabulous world .
 
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fskimospy

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Greenman And pcgeek.
What’s annoying is the answer is so obvious but because it leads to a result republicans don’t want people pretend it isn’t.

This is not complicated. You don’t get to run the government if you tried to overthrow the government. Trump tried to overthrow the government so he doesn’t get to run it anymore.

And yes, trying to get your vice president to violate the constitution so you stay as president after losing the election is attempting to overthrow the government.
 

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This was almost inevitable. The democrats took a shot at Trump, the republican's returned fire.
God you are pathetic. I mean your level of self-delusion is incredible. Keeping sucking on the orange traitor cream sickle. He had fake electors in multiple states and tried to get the vice president to not certify an election. Those are basic undisputed facts. How are you such a loser to not even address those basic facts? Oh, I remember; you are a pathetic loser magat.
 

fskimospy

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God you are pathetic. I mean your level of self-delusion is incredible. Keeping sucking on the orange traitor cream sickle. He had fake electors in multiple states and tried to get the vice president to not certify an election. Those are basic undisputed facts. How are you such a loser to not even address those basic facts? Oh, I remember; you are a pathetic loser magat.
The issue many Republicans are running into is that their choice is now either to vote for people who attempted a coup or not vote for republicans. Since they want to vote for republicans they are now trying to convince themselves that the coup attempt didn’t really happen.

Everyone knows it’s a bad look to say ‘yes I’m voting for the party that tried to end democracy’, hence all the dancing and mental gymnastics.
 

BoomerD

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This was almost inevitable. The democrats took a shot at Trump, the republican's returned fire.

He’s right…the Dems started it. (they may have had legal reasoning behind their attempts…unlike the Repubs) but they DID take the first shot.
 
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