Ohio SOS Wants to Ban Biden From Ballot

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Jon-T

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So to be clear when Trump decided to hold his convention late in 2020 and missed the deadline you think that was evidence of his incompetence and that he would screw up a drive through order?
No it is an example of competence. They knew about the deadline and took care of it beforehand.

If you have a test and one person just does not bother to show up while another talked to the teacher beforehand and explains they are having surgery on that day and gets an exemption. One behavior is an example of being a comptent person while the other is an airhead.
 

fskimospy

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Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Okay so then you have chosen that the framers of the 14th amendment thought Jefferson Davis should have been eligible for the presidency in 1868 when they wrote the amendment.

Do you honestly believe that?
 

K1052

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No it is an example of competence. They knew about the deadline and took care of it beforehand.

If you have a test and one person just does not bother to show up while another talked to the teacher beforehand and explains they are having surgery on that day and gets an exemption. One behavior is an example of being a comptent person while the other is an airhead.

You should not be calling anybody else an "airhead".
 
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fskimospy

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No it is an example of competence. They knew about the deadline and took care of it beforehand.

If you have a test and one person just does not bother to show up while another talked to the teacher beforehand and explains they are having surgery on that day and gets an exemption. One behavior is an example of being a comptent person while the other is an airhead.
Ahh - so when Democrats quickly and easily take care of this by holding some pro-forma convention ahead of the deadline you will then agree that this is a display of competence and revise your opinion.

Can you confirm?
 

pcgeek11

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Okay so then you have chosen that the framers of the 14th amendment thought Jefferson Davis should have been eligible for the presidency in 1868 when they wrote the amendment.

Do you honestly believe that?

I don't know what was in their minds when they wrote that. I have already stated what I believe.
 
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BoomerD

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I figured it was sarcasm dice you weren’t calling for your usual public executions for minor offenses.
So…I should call for the very public execution of TFG and all the convicted insurrectionists for treason?
I wouldn’t object.
 

Jon-T

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Ahh - so when Democrats quickly and easily take care of this by holding some pro-forma convention ahead of the deadline you will then agree that this is a display of competence and revise your opinion.

Can you confirm?
Still shows they are not competent.

Spilling something and having to clean up your mistake is NOT the same as being competent and not spilling.

When the have to do damage control to correct their mistake it still shows a total absence of forethought and planning.

Weed is now legal in Ohio
Dude1: "Dude! we have a deadline to make."
Dude 2: "Dude, this shit is unreal time no longer exists"
 

[DHT]Osiris

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But it is a rule. How do you adjudicate?
We need a bipartisan/multipartisan commission that determines/confirms eligibility of candidates nation-wide, probably including two representatives of every state or something. Confirmation should happen with every election regardless of previous confirmations.
 
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fskimospy

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Still shows they are not competent.

Spilling something and having to clean up your mistake is NOT the same as being competent and not spilling.

When the have to do damage control to correct their mistake it still shows a total absence of forethought and planning.

Weed is now legal in Ohio
Dude1: "Dude! we have a deadline to make."
Dude 2: "Dude, this shit is unreal time no longer exists"
So to be clear:

1) scheduling your convention after the deadline and then asking the legislature to exempt you so you can be on the ballot = competence

but

2) scheduling your convention after the deadline and achieving the exact same outcome by holding a pro-forma convention = incompetence.

lol. Did you think this through?
 

fskimospy

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I don't know what was in their minds when they wrote that. I have already stated what I believe.
Ok great, I will not ask you what was in their minds when they wrote it then.

Thank you for confirming that you believe under the 14th amendment Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis could have been elected President of the United States in 1868 as since they were not convicted of engaging in insurrection they had not violated the insurrection clause despite levying war against the United States for four years and in Lee's case directly leading an armed invasion of the country on multiple occasions.

Sort of funny that you're arguing had Trump led an armed invasion of the US he would not be disqualified from becoming president until convicted for it, despite as we have seen, criminal cases sometimes taking more than four years to resolve.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Still shows they are not competent.

Spilling something and having to clean up your mistake is NOT the same as being competent and not spilling.

When the have to do damage control to correct their mistake it still shows a total absence of forethought and planning.

Weed is now legal in Ohio
Dude1: "Dude! we have a deadline to make."
Dude 2: "Dude, this shit is unreal time no longer exists"

The 90-day deadline has often caused trouble since its adoption in 2010. Only in 2016 did both parties’ conventions take place before the Ohio cutoff date. Both conventions took place after the deadline in 2012 and 2020, and legislators extended the deadline both times. This is the first time that only one convention comes too late, but Republicans could well be affected in the future.

Ohio’s 90-day deadline is not only arbitrary, I believe that it is irrational. Nobody seems to know why the state extended the deadline from 60 to 90 days in 2010. The change came in an obscure provision of a 341-page bill.


The 90-day deadline has been a problem in almost every presidential election since then. The Legislature waived the deadline in 2012 and 2020, when both parties’ conventions fell after the cutoff date, and those elections ran smoothly. So the state can’t justify sticking with the 90-day rule this year when only one party is holding its convention after the deadline.
 
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fskimospy

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Like is anyone else absolutely astounded by @pcgeek11 arguing that leading an armed invasion of the US does not disqualify you from becoming president under the 14th amendment?

Kind of awesome - like if we had a Red Dawn scenario where China invaded the US a natural born American citizen who decided to treasonously enlist in the Chinese army could run for president of the US and theoretically win WHILE HE WAS PARTICIPATING IN THE INVASION. Since he would presumably be operating behind enemy lines it would be very difficult to even get to him to try him and generally speaking the US does not permit criminal trials in absentia.

That is unless he was 34. Then you can just exclude him without trial or any other adjudication.
 

Meghan54

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This is 100% false.

In case you would like to read the legal reasoning here you go:




Here's the district court ruling finding that Trump engaged in insurrection and the evidence used to support this finding:


So now that you know they DID have legal reasoning, do you want to revise your position?
Revise his position? HAHAHA HAHAHAHA

You know as well as anyone he’ll handwave the facts off and mumble some bullshit…again.

Greenman is the most opinionated blowhatd know-nothing on this board and damned proud of it. He'llopine long and hard on subjects he knows nothing about, will refuse to acknowledge true facts, and is damned proud of that, all while hiding in his gated community, scared of every shadow and sound.
 

eelw

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Like is anyone else absolutely astounded by @pcgeek11 arguing that leading an armed invasion of the US does not disqualify you from becoming president under the 14th amendment?
lol you’re the one that believes him when he states he won’t vote orange monkey in November.
 
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Paratus

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Nah. I’m pretty positive as of today pcgeek has no intention of voting for Trump. I also don’t think that decision will change his position on other matters.
 
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Love all the bending over backwards to defend completely arbitrary deadlines that only came about in the last decade or so and were frequently waived because of the stupid problems they caused, and the other people that think we can't make any judgements about anyone ever unless it's been adjudicated by a court. Y'all are clowns.
 

Zorba

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So the accusation become the conviction? Do you think the framers wanted that? No hearing, no ability to address the charges, no defense? "Everyone knows" suddenly becomes the standard for denial of rights?

It's well established that amendments can be limited, interpreted, constrained. It's been done to the second, why not the fourteenth?
The framers had nothing to do with the 14th, and amendments supersede the parts of the constitution that they are amending.
 
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