Oil Thread 8-30-07:Oil climbing towards $80 again. Did they run out of gas for summer? Nope

dmcowen674

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This thread has become large and at times outdated.

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Anyone seen gas stations out of gas yet???

Still overflowing in oil but they claim refinery problems and that is the excuse for raising prices???

How long have they been making gasoline?

How long will the permission for incompentence go on and continue to be rewarded?

Only a corrupt Industry and Government can approve such BS.

6-7-2007 Oil and gasoline futures jumped Thursday on concerns that U.S. refineries aren't making enough gasoline to meet domestic demand.

Those worries were fed by a government report Wednesday that showed refinery utilization fell 1.5 percent last week to 89.6 percent of capacity.

"That's the really big story," said Michael Davies, an analyst at Sucden Ltd., a commodities brokerage firm. "There are going to be concerns whether the U.S. can cope with gasoline over (the) summer."
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4-25-2007 Refinery troubles raise Oil prices $66

Oil prices were steady Thursday after rising in the previous session on a midweek U.S. fuel supplies report that showed a large, unexpected drop in gasoline stockpiles and a fall in refinery utilization.

U.S. gasoline stocks have fallen in recent weeks in part because of low production by refiners, which continued to report trouble.

Refinery utilization dropped 2.6 percent, Wednesday's U.S. Department of Energy's petroleum supply report showed.

Gasoline inventories fell by 2.8 million barrels in the week ending Friday, which left inventories at their lowest level since October 2005, the report said.

Analysts had expected a 200,000-barrel increase.

But crude oil inventories rose 2.1 million barrels to 334.5 million barrels

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4-10-2007 Oil Prices Impacted By Oversupply In Cushing Oklahoma

Oil prices bounced back somewhat Tuesday morning a day after an oversupply at a delivery point in Oklahoma was blamed for prices dropping nearly $3 a barrel.

Light, sweet crude for May delivery rose 40 cents to $61.91 per barrel in midafternoon Asian trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The price of crude fell $2.77 Monday following news of an oversupply at the delivery point in Cushing.

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Did the nutty traders actually believe Iran would block oil shipments???

and of course Refinery incompetence still gets rewarded.

No gas price drop for you.

Drive for Five still alive.

4-4-07Oil prices slips to $64 a barrel on British soldiers release from Iran

Crude oil prices slipped to $64 a barrel Wednesday after Iran said it would release the 15 British sailors it has been holding captive, alleviating some fears about tensions escalating and prompting the country to block oil exports.

But gasoline prices rose on a government report that U.S. gasoline inventories declined for the eighth straight week and that demand is still strong.

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While P&N Oil Baron supporters bicker over a few cents per gallon of Oil I'd like to tahnk them for putting the final nail in the coffin that prices ever had anything to do with SUPPLY & DEMAND.

Oil Inventories and Gas inventories for that matter have never dipped below record levels in the past 5 years.

George Bush, Dick Cheney and all Republicans Et Al thank you for the record profits.

Clap Clap Clap They :heart: you American Sheeple :lips:
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Looks like U.S. invasions of Canada, Mexico and Cuba coming very soon:

3-4-2007 Cuba oil boom may complicate U.S. embargo

As Cuba's oil potential grows, a Canadian company has disclosed plans to export the island's petroleum and set up a possible clash with the U.S. trade embargo.

The discovery of oil in the Florida Straits and near the Cuban shoreline -- potentially billions of barrels of reserves -- has boosted Cuba's energy prospects and drawn the attention of the U.S. oil industry.

Now, a small Canadian energy company, Sherritt International, says it plans to export Cuban oil for the first time -- a move that could put the crude on a collision course with the U.S. trade embargo against Cuba.

Sherritt, which had revenue of about $1 billion U.S. in 2006, produces an estimated 68,000 barrels of crude oil in Cuba. Michael Minnes, company spokesman, said plans for exporting the oil are still under discussion.

Sherritt doesn't currently have offshore wells; instead, its onshore equipment drills horizontally into petroleum reservoirs located under the water.

Sherritt International, in a joint venture with the Cuban government, has been drilling for oil in Cuba for more than a decade, gradually increasing production to the point that domestic production provides almost half Cuba's petroleum needs. Venezuelan refined products make up the rest.

But what has tantalized the oil industry was a report that Spanish energy company Repsol-YPF struck offshore oil in 2005 -- even though it wasn't a commercially viable well.

In 2005, a U.S. Geological Survey report estimated Cuba's potential petroleum reserves could run some 4.6 billion barrels and natural gas reserves could total trillions of cubic feet.

''This would make Cuba a major oil player in the region''

U.S. OIL FIRMS OUT

The U.S. trade embargo bans American companies from doing business in Cuba, with exceptions for food and medicine, and the Bush administration has been increasingly aggressive about enforcing it.

''U.S. policy toward Cuba is to encourage a democratic, market-oriented transition,'' said Eric Watnik, State Department spokesman. The Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control has oversight over enforcing the embargo.

Last year, Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, and Rep. Jeff Flake, an Arizona Republican, both critics of the embargo, introduced legislation to broaden the exemptions to allow the oil and gas industry to bid on Cuban contracts. But that effort went nowhere.

Legislators are currently discussing what form the bill should take to be reintroduced in the new Democratic-controlled Congress.



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1-28-2007 70 percent of Iraq's oil to be sold to U.S.

"Without a decisive military victory, the U.S. occupation of Iraq seems to be about to grab its oil prize by establishing a new sharing arrangement," the English-language Yemen Observer said Saturday, echoing a frequent criticism that the U.S.-led invasion was aimed in part at capturing Iraq's oil.




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Latest excuse to raise prices after the Election:

11-6-2006 Oil prices climb amid Nigeria violence

Oil prices rose by more than $1 a barrel Monday after Nigerian oil minister and OPEC President Edmund Daukoru said the oil cartel may need to further cut its output, and as armed protesters shut down one of his country's oil facilities.

On Friday, a bomb hoax at a huge BP PLC refinery in Whiting, Ind., rattled the market. Prices also jumped after U.S. diplomats warned that militants in Nigeria were preparing a major new wave of attacks and kidnappings across the country's oil-rich delta region.

"The market is clearly oversupplied, clearly oversupplied," Daukoru told reporters during a visit to South Korea.

Last week, U.S. crude oil inventories rose by 2 million barrels to 334.3 million barrels.

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9-18-2006 OPEC says it doesn't like $64 per barrel Oil so it says they will cut production to get Oil back over $70 barrel.

Will they and the GOP hold gas around $2 in time for the Elections?


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This is a continuation of a long running Oil Thread:

Oil Thread started 1-5-2005

Everyday there is proof that Oil & Gas has nothing to do with Supply & Demand.

U.S. Oil inventories have been the highest in nearly 5 years all the while the Bullsh!t price increases since Hurricane Katrina and invading Iraq.

Now even Gasoline inventories are overflowing.

Rewarding the incompetent and negligent is now America's biggest asset.
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9-15-2006

Oil drops to $62 Gas back to $2 in time for Nov Elections

Nothing has changed except it is Election time.

Make the Sheeple forget about paying all that extra and get re-elected.

CNN - 81% of Republicans paid by Oil Industry
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9-8-2006 Oil slides toward $66 on BP, ample US stocks

NEW YORK - Oil fell more than a dollar to fresh five-month lows Friday after rising U.S. fuel inventories and the potential early recovery of full output at BP's giant Alaska oil field eased supply concerns.

Oil's under a lot of pressure at the moment," said Bruce Evers, analyst at Investec Securities.

"There's a lot of distillate and gasoline about, and crude supplies are ample."

U.S. distillate stocks, including heating oil, rose 3.1 million barrels to 139.9 million barrels in the week of September 1, the highest level since January 2002
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Edit:9-11-06 Inventories highest since 1998
 

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The President of OPEC is worried about the dropping of oil prices. Peak ouput has been established for over a year.
I wonder if they will slow production?
 

Slew Foot

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Am I the only one who thinks that ~$3/gallon for gas is a pretty good deal? Consider that you have to find the stuff buried in the ground, sometimes miles under the surface, then work out a way to dig it up, then transport it around the world to a refinery, process it into a usable form, ship it out to a distributor and then to a gas station on nearly every corner in America. And for what stupid people pay for a cellphone ringtone or a cup of coffee, you get something virtually indispensible for life in the US.

 

nergee

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Stunt
Mid-term elections must be near

Yep, miraculously after the Election those high inventories won't be good enough again.


..I fully expect a refinery fire right after the first cold snap.........
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Is it a hobby of yours to try to make good news sound bad?

What's good about being ripped off???

I'm sorry, but how does the news that inventory is at a high mean that we are getting ripped off?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Stunt
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VIENNA (Reuters) - OPEC President Edmund Daukoru said on Saturday he was very concerned by the fall in oil prices and it presented the exporter group with issues to discuss at its meeting on Monday.

Crude prices have dropped sharply, to around $66, since they hit a record $78.40 a barrel in July.

"We'll have a more interesting agenda to discuss this time," Nigeria's Daukoru told reporters. "The price has dropped $10 within a month and we have been producing above quote for a very long time at a time when the market is softening, so I think we will have some issues to discuss."

Asked if OPEC needed to take barrels off the market, the minister said: "I don't know what we will conclude but we have been producing above quota systematically."

"We are more or less on autopilot, I think we are going to have to take over the manual control."

OPEC's output ceiling of 28 million barrels per day has been in place since July 2005.
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The President of OPEC is worried about the dropping of oil prices. Peak ouput has been established for over a year.
I wonder if they will slow production?

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Is it a hobby of yours to try to make good news sound bad?

What's good about being ripped off???

I'm sorry, but how does the news that inventory is at a high mean that we are getting ripped off?

I'm sorry, If you can't see being ripped off in front of your face I can't help you and quite frankly you and most Americans are beyond help.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Is it a hobby of yours to try to make good news sound bad?

What's good about being ripped off???

Ripped off? LOL @ you. Why dont you quit bitching about energy prices and put some of those record profits in your own pocket? Ever heard of mutual funds? I moved alot of my money to energy funds 3 years ago and in the last 12 months I have made enough profit to PAY for my gasoline for the next 3 years. I only invest $100/mo too. You dont have to be rich to invest.

Every time I hear some poor chap complaining it costs $70 to fill up his SUV I smile. You can too if you just put some a little effort in...
 

bamacre

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Working at home and driving a fuel-efficient car FTW!

I fill up my tank about once a month.
 

bot2600

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I drive a motorcycle and fill it up every other weekend for about seven bucks. So $14 a month for gas
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Is it a hobby of yours to try to make good news sound bad?

What's good about being ripped off???

Ripped off? LOL @ you. Why dont you quit bitching about energy prices and put some of those record profits in your own pocket? Ever heard of mutual funds? I moved alot of my money to energy funds 3 years ago and in the last 12 months I have made enough profit to PAY for my gasoline for the next 3 years. I only invest $100/mo too. You dont have to be rich to invest.

Every time I hear some poor chap complaining it costs $70 to fill up his SUV I smile. You can too if you just put some a little effort in...

Only corrupt rich Republicans invest!! ARR!
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Is it a hobby of yours to try to make good news sound bad?

What's good about being ripped off???

Ripped off? LOL @ you. Why dont you quit bitching about energy prices and put some of those record profits in your own pocket? Ever heard of mutual funds? I moved alot of my money to energy funds 3 years ago and in the last 12 months I have made enough profit to PAY for my gasoline for the next 3 years. I only invest $100/mo too. You dont have to be rich to invest.

Every time I hear some poor chap complaining it costs $70 to fill up his SUV I smile. You can too if you just put some a little effort in...

Only corrupt rich Republicans invest!! ARR!

Sarcasm shouts, "You will not escape me jrenz!"
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Stunt
source
VIENNA (Reuters) - OPEC President Edmund Daukoru said on Saturday he was very concerned by the fall in oil prices and it presented the exporter group with issues to discuss at its meeting on Monday.

Crude prices have dropped sharply, to around $66, since they hit a record $78.40 a barrel in July.

"We'll have a more interesting agenda to discuss this time," Nigeria's Daukoru told reporters. "The price has dropped $10 within a month and we have been producing above quote for a very long time at a time when the market is softening, so I think we will have some issues to discuss."

Asked if OPEC needed to take barrels off the market, the minister said: "I don't know what we will conclude but we have been producing above quota systematically."

"We are more or less on autopilot, I think we are going to have to take over the manual control."

OPEC's output ceiling of 28 million barrels per day has been in place since July 2005.
=====================================================
The President of OPEC is worried about the dropping of oil prices. Peak ouput has been established for over a year.
I wonder if they will slow production?

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Is it a hobby of yours to try to make good news sound bad?

What's good about being ripped off???

I'm sorry, but how does the news that inventory is at a high mean that we are getting ripped off?

I'm sorry, If you can't see being ripped off in front of your face I can't help you and quite frankly you and most Americans are beyond help.

I still don't see how I'm being ripped off based on what the information in this thread. Are we talking about oil in general? or about the above normal supplies?
 

kevinthenerd

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Is it a hobby of yours to try to make good news sound bad?

What's good about being ripped off???

Ripped off? LOL @ you. Why dont you quit bitching about energy prices and put some of those record profits in your own pocket? Ever heard of mutual funds? I moved alot of my money to energy funds 3 years ago and in the last 12 months I have made enough profit to PAY for my gasoline for the next 3 years. I only invest $100/mo too. You dont have to be rich to invest.

Every time I hear some poor chap complaining it costs $70 to fill up his SUV I smile. You can too if you just put some a little effort in...

You don't see anything wrong with this system? The United States government is not a true democracy or a true democratic republic, in my opinion. A good democratic republic would be a meritocracy, ruled by those who are most qualified to rule. Rather, we live in a polity, ruled by those who happen to know how to gain power for themselves. Investing in oil stock shouldn't be a requirement of getting the best price on oil, but that's just my opinion.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: kevinthenerd
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Is it a hobby of yours to try to make good news sound bad?

What's good about being ripped off???

Ripped off? LOL @ you. Why dont you quit bitching about energy prices and put some of those record profits in your own pocket? Ever heard of mutual funds? I moved alot of my money to energy funds 3 years ago and in the last 12 months I have made enough profit to PAY for my gasoline for the next 3 years. I only invest $100/mo too. You dont have to be rich to invest.

Every time I hear some poor chap complaining it costs $70 to fill up his SUV I smile. You can too if you just put some a little effort in...

You don't see anything wrong with this system? The United States government is not a true democracy or a true democratic republic, in my opinion. A good democratic republic would be a meritocracy, ruled by those who are most qualified to rule. Rather, we live in a polity, ruled by those who happen to know how to gain power for themselves. Investing in oil stock shouldn't be a requirement of getting the best price on oil, but that's just my opinion.

Did I say anything about getting the best price on oil? No. And to answer your question, no I dont see anything wrong with this system. You -DO- understand energy trading is done worldwide, right? You -DO- understand the price of oil has NOTHING to do with our government, right? And why are you trying to derail this thread rambling something about democracies? Get a clue man...
 

kevinthenerd

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: kevinthenerd
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Is it a hobby of yours to try to make good news sound bad?

What's good about being ripped off???

Ripped off? LOL @ you. Why dont you quit bitching about energy prices and put some of those record profits in your own pocket? Ever heard of mutual funds? I moved alot of my money to energy funds 3 years ago and in the last 12 months I have made enough profit to PAY for my gasoline for the next 3 years. I only invest $100/mo too. You dont have to be rich to invest.

Every time I hear some poor chap complaining it costs $70 to fill up his SUV I smile. You can too if you just put some a little effort in...

You don't see anything wrong with this system? The United States government is not a true democracy or a true democratic republic, in my opinion. A good democratic republic would be a meritocracy, ruled by those who are most qualified to rule. Rather, we live in a polity, ruled by those who happen to know how to gain power for themselves. Investing in oil stock shouldn't be a requirement of getting the best price on oil, but that's just my opinion.

Did I say anything about getting the best price on oil? No. And to answer your question, no I dont see anything wrong with this system. You -DO- understand energy trading is done worldwide, right? You -DO- understand the price of oil has NOTHING to do with our government, right? And why are you trying to derail this thread rambling something about democracies? Get a clue man...

First, one shouldn't be so quick to draw lines between politics and economics. They are tightly linked to eachother. A market economy cannot exist in a communist state (at least legitimately), and you're never going to be waiting in line for free toilet paper in a capitalist state.

Second, your trading tactics gave you a buffer against high oil prices. When they went up, your investment went up. When they went down, your pump prices went down. The very nature of this as a buffer is why I call it a discount on oil. While the link is weak, it's there.

Third, you knew to invest that money in oil. Others didn't. So, while you were enjoying the rewards of your knowledge of the economic system, others with different things to worry about decided to stay out. Your knowledge turned into economic buying power. While I'm not saying this is intrinsically bad, I don't believe all people should be required to have this knowledge to stay viable in society, and I don't believe this knowledge should be used at the significant expense of others. I'm not an economist, an accountant, or anything else related to the field of business. I am studying engineering, and I wish to be an engineer. If I work 40 hours a week with my college-earned skillset, I don't believe lucky people at home tweaking their portfolio online have done as much of a service for humanity to deserve the superior pay. Again, this last part is just opinion.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

First, one shouldn't be so quick to draw lines between politics and economics. They are tightly linked to eachother. A market economy cannot exist in a communist state (at least legitimately), and you're never going to be waiting in line for free toilet paper in a capitalist state.

Second, your trading tactics gave you a buffer against high oil prices. When they went up, your investment went up. When they went down, your pump prices went down. The very nature of this as a buffer is why I call it a discount on oil. While the link is weak, it's there.

Third, you knew to invest that money in oil. Others didn't. So, while you were enjoying the rewards of your knowledge of the economic system, others with different things to worry about decided to stay out. Your knowledge turned into economic buying power. While I'm not saying this is intrinsically bad, I don't believe all people should be required to have this knowledge to stay viable in society, and I don't believe this knowledge should be used at the significant expense of others. I'm not an economist, an accountant, or anything else related to the field of business. I am studying engineering, and I wish to be an engineer. If I work 40 hours a week with my college-earned skillset, I don't believe lucky people at home tweaking their portfolio online have done as much of a service for humanity to deserve the superior pay. Again, this last part is just opinion.

Awesome, welcome to P&N

Rich Republicans version of the American dream is everyone like them is a rich investor with illegal Mexicans serving all their domestic services all others fvk off and die.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

First, one shouldn't be so quick to draw lines between politics and economics. They are tightly linked to eachother. A market economy cannot exist in a communist state (at least legitimately), and you're never going to be waiting in line for free toilet paper in a capitalist state.

Second, your trading tactics gave you a buffer against high oil prices. When they went up, your investment went up. When they went down, your pump prices went down. The very nature of this as a buffer is why I call it a discount on oil. While the link is weak, it's there.

Third, you knew to invest that money in oil. Others didn't. So, while you were enjoying the rewards of your knowledge of the economic system, others with different things to worry about decided to stay out. Your knowledge turned into economic buying power. While I'm not saying this is intrinsically bad, I don't believe all people should be required to have this knowledge to stay viable in society, and I don't believe this knowledge should be used at the significant expense of others. I'm not an economist, an accountant, or anything else related to the field of business. I am studying engineering, and I wish to be an engineer. If I work 40 hours a week with my college-earned skillset, I don't believe lucky people at home tweaking their portfolio online have done as much of a service for humanity to deserve the superior pay. Again, this last part is just opinion.

Awesome, welcome to P&N

Rich Republicans version of the American dream is everyone like them is a rich investor with illegal Mexicans serving all their domestic services all others fvk off and die.

I hope you arent implying I am either rich, or Republican, because I am neither. I'm a middle class stiff who is trying to save for retirement just like everyone else. Maybe the difference for me is that I actually READ info about what Im investing in. It's not hard. You can read Money magazine while on the toilet and learn enough to make wise investments. And to repeat what I said earlier, you dont have to be rich. Most people can afford $50/month. The only excuse for not doing so is either ignorance or stupidity.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: kevinthenerd
First, one shouldn't be so quick to draw lines between politics and economics. They are tightly linked to eachother. A market economy cannot exist in a communist state (at least legitimately), and you're never going to be waiting in line for free toilet paper in a capitalist state.

Second, your trading tactics gave you a buffer against high oil prices. When they went up, your investment went up. When they went down, your pump prices went down. The very nature of this as a buffer is why I call it a discount on oil. While the link is weak, it's there.

Third, you knew to invest that money in oil. Others didn't. So, while you were enjoying the rewards of your knowledge of the economic system, others with different things to worry about decided to stay out. Your knowledge turned into economic buying power. While I'm not saying this is intrinsically bad, I don't believe all people should be required to have this knowledge to stay viable in society, and I don't believe this knowledge should be used at the significant expense of others. I'm not an economist, an accountant, or anything else related to the field of business. I am studying engineering, and I wish to be an engineer. If I work 40 hours a week with my college-earned skillset, I don't believe lucky people at home tweaking their portfolio online have done as much of a service for humanity to deserve the superior pay. Again, this last part is just opinion.
This is why free markets are great...
Everyone has access to own and benefit from the prosperity of another company.
If I am working my 40 hours a week, I have invested my whole life in one stock (my company) and without the ability to own other companies, I would not be able to diversify my financial balance. If I don't get a bonus this year, perhaps the competition or another sector is...and I can benefit from that.

Remember in equities markets, there is always a buyer and a seller; so for every winner, there's a loser. There's risks to be had with the market...it's not all profits and happy money grubbing Republicans.

I've been a long supporter of people hedging their costs by buying the companies they hate buying things from; banks (mortgage), utilities, gas. These companies usually have large economic moats (less competition) and can demand higher prices for products.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

First, one shouldn't be so quick to draw lines between politics and economics. They are tightly linked to eachother. A market economy cannot exist in a communist state (at least legitimately), and you're never going to be waiting in line for free toilet paper in a capitalist state.

Second, your trading tactics gave you a buffer against high oil prices. When they went up, your investment went up. When they went down, your pump prices went down. The very nature of this as a buffer is why I call it a discount on oil. While the link is weak, it's there.

Third, you knew to invest that money in oil. Others didn't. So, while you were enjoying the rewards of your knowledge of the economic system, others with different things to worry about decided to stay out. Your knowledge turned into economic buying power. While I'm not saying this is intrinsically bad, I don't believe all people should be required to have this knowledge to stay viable in society, and I don't believe this knowledge should be used at the significant expense of others. I'm not an economist, an accountant, or anything else related to the field of business. I am studying engineering, and I wish to be an engineer. If I work 40 hours a week with my college-earned skillset, I don't believe lucky people at home tweaking their portfolio online have done as much of a service for humanity to deserve the superior pay. Again, this last part is just opinion.

Awesome, welcome to P&N

Rich Republicans version of the American dream is everyone like them is a rich investor with illegal Mexicans serving all their domestic services all others fvk off and die.

I hope you arent implying I am either rich, or Republican, because I am neither. I'm a middle class stiff who is trying to save for retirement just like everyone else. Maybe the difference for me is that I actually READ info about what Im investing in. It's not hard. You can read Money magazine while on the toilet and learn enough to make wise investments. And to repeat what I said earlier, you dont have to be rich. Most people can afford $50/month. The only excuse for not doing so is either ignorance or stupidity.

You have $50 a month disposable income to put into risky market, then yes, you are rich and Republican ideology of what believe America is all about now.
 
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