Oil thread 9-7-06:Former BP head of Pipeline invokes 5th

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
In the spirit of that post... what's next for neocons? $12.00/gallon gasoline so that only the rich can afford it?

I'm not a neocon. Go eat sh!t and die in a fire.

Very classy, but did I ever say you WERE a neocon?

You started with a very respectable post and then went cheap with a liberal bash, so I took the opposite end and presented it.

Too bad you couldn't take it.

Oh wait, what's that in your sig....

"Emotion is the antithesis of logic."

Take your own advice, son.

The liberals on ATPN frequently deserve bashing. They seem to be mostly losers who have never take taken responsibility for anything, blame GW for everything wrong in their lives, even what they leave in the toilet. It's pretty sad.

And yes, you very much attempted to imply that I was a neocon. My opinion is to squash such attempts of libel against my person as quickly as possible. This is because I do take responsibility. That might be a new concept to you though... I understand.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
In the spirit of that post... what's next for neocons? $12.00/gallon gasoline so that only the rich can afford it?

I'm not a neocon. Go eat sh!t and die in a fire.

Very classy, but did I ever say you WERE a neocon?

You started with a very respectable post and then went cheap with a liberal bash, so I took the opposite end and presented it.

Too bad you couldn't take it.

Oh wait, what's that in your sig....

"Emotion is the antithesis of logic."

Take your own advice, son.

The liberals on ATPN frequently deserve bashing. They seem to be mostly losers who have never take taken responsibility for anything, blame GW for everything wrong in their lives, even what they leave in the toilet. It's pretty sad.

And yes, you very much attempted to imply that I was a neocon. My opinion is to squash such attempts of libel against my person as quickly as possible. This is because I do take responsibility. That might be a new concept to you though... I understand.

You take responsibility? Then why make a statement like you did out of blue like that? "Liberals want cheap oil as a right"? Are you that obtuse? Are you that insecure that you HAD to follow up a logical statement with something that stupid?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
You take responsibility? Then why make a statement like you did out of blue like that? "Liberals want cheap oil as a right"? Are you that obtuse? Are you that insecure that you HAD to follow up a logical statement with something that stupid?

First, responsibility (or lack of) has nothing to do with that statement of mine. Don't confuse the issue.

Second, liberals want EVERYTHING as a right. Healthcare, housing, and (yes) transportation. This is well-known fact. "Free" this and "free" that, as though "free" anything were truly possible. Accusations of being obtuse or insecure are also confusing the issue.

Third, there really was nothing logical about Engineer's statement. It was an appeal to sympathetic emotion that I chose to accept (and that only after my unkind sarcasm). No more than.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Engineer
Sorta distasteful Vic, since, to some people struggling from paycheck to paycheck (legitimate, not the credit card junkies, etc), $40 per month can make a big difference in eating right or paying utility bills. Not saying that it can be avoided, but your ability to throw and extra $40 per month and then blow it off with an off the wall comment may not be so easy for everyone in the world (or US).

Throw in the fact that a hundred million people now giving an extra $40 to big oil instead of the general economy, and you removed $4 billion per month from the general economy. Hardly a drop in the bucket I would say.

Point taken. My comment was more in regards to Dave spending $160 per week on gas. That's an awfully high consumption level. If it's work-related, and he is having difficulty affording it, he really ought to consider the personal profitibility level of his current job.

But what's next for the liberals? A right to cheap gasoline? No thank you. The day that cheap gasoline is made a "right," only rich liberal government elites will be able to acquire any and the rest of us will be on the bus.

In the spirit of that post... what's next for neocons? $12.00/gallon gasoline so that only the rich can afford it?

Cool $640 week for gas to get to work when I make $600.

Gotta love this new Republican American Dream.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Engineer
Sorta distasteful Vic, since, to some people struggling from paycheck to paycheck (legitimate, not the credit card junkies, etc), $40 per month can make a big difference in eating right or paying utility bills. Not saying that it can be avoided, but your ability to throw and extra $40 per month and then blow it off with an off the wall comment may not be so easy for everyone in the world (or US).

Throw in the fact that a hundred million people now giving an extra $40 to big oil instead of the general economy, and you removed $4 billion per month from the general economy. Hardly a drop in the bucket I would say.

Point taken. My comment was more in regards to Dave spending $160 per week on gas. That's an awfully high consumption level. If it's work-related, and he is having difficulty affording it, he really ought to consider the personal profitibility level of his current job.

But what's next for the liberals? A right to cheap gasoline? No thank you. The day that cheap gasoline is made a "right," only rich liberal government elites will be able to acquire any and the rest of us will be on the bus.

In the spirit of that post... what's next for neocons? $12.00/gallon gasoline so that only the rich can afford it?

Cool $640 week for gas to get to work when I make $600.

Gotta love this new Republican American Dream.

If you live near a McDonalds or Wal-Mart, you could get a job there and be ahead!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Cool $640 week for gas to get to work when I make $600.

Gotta love this new Republican American Dream.

If it wasn't so sad, I'd find the slave mentality very amusing. Ah well, if we don't laugh, we cry.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

In the spirit of that post... what's next for neocons? $12.00/gallon gasoline so that only the rich can afford it?

Huh - it's about $6+ per gallon in the UK, and they seem to be able to work around it. They must have a lot of rich people there.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

In the spirit of that post... what's next for neocons? $12.00/gallon gasoline so that only the rich can afford it?

Huh - it's about $6+ per gallon in the UK, and they seem to be able to work around it. They must have a lot of rich people there.

Actually they don't have to drive very far and when they do they all have small good mpg cars.

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

In the spirit of that post... what's next for neocons? $12.00/gallon gasoline so that only the rich can afford it?

Huh - it's about $6+ per gallon in the UK, and they seem to be able to work around it. They must have a lot of rich people there.

You realized we have several states larger than the entire UK, right?

Sheesh - the US is spread out - UK is compact.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: episodic

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

In the spirit of that post... what's next for neocons? $12.00/gallon gasoline so that only the rich can afford it?

Huh - it's about $6+ per gallon in the UK, and they seem to be able to work around it. They must have a lot of rich people there.

You realized we have several states larger than the entire UK, right?

Sheesh - the US is spread out - UK is compact.

"Well GOSH...that's not OUR fault is it? SHEESH--you yanks want EVERYTHING!"

 

[dmcowen674]

8-14-2005 Deutsche Bank warns oil may soar to $75 a barrel

BULK buying by speculators and concern over further refinery problems in the US will push the oil price through the $75-per-barrel barrier by the year end, Deutsche Bank economists have warned.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Simple as this

Demand 4th quarter : 84-88 MBD
Supply 4th quarter : 84-86 MBD

 

[alent1234]

plenty of oil, but not enough refining capacity

another problem is that there is less sweet crude being pumped and more sour which has a lot more junk that needs refining

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Simple as this

Demand 4th quarter : 84-88 MBD
Supply 4th quarter : 84-86 MBD

Originally posted by: alent1234
plenty of oil, but not enough refining capacity

another problem is that there is less sweet crude being pumped and more sour which has a lot more junk that needs refining

The two of you are opposite each other.

Until I see stations out of gas I don't believe either.

 

[alent1234]

until demand goes down the price of oil will stay sky high

everyone wants a car that gets milege in the teens, but it seems no one wants to pay for the gas

 

[alent1234]

one reason for the high price of oil is speculation

there are stories of mutual funds and pension funds bidding up the price of oil since it's been such a great investment

 

[dmcowen674]

8-18-2005 World running out of time for oil alternatives

The world could run out of time to develop cleaner alternatives to oil and other fossil fuels before depletion drives prices through the roof, a leading Dutch energy researcher said on Thursday.

"If we run out of fossil fuels -- by the time the oil price hits 100 dollars or plus, people will be screaming for alternatives, but whether they will be available at that moment of time -- that's my biggest worry," Hoff said.

"That's why we need to use fossil fuels in a more efficient way to have some more time to develop these alternatives up to a level where the robustness is guaranteed and their price has come down ... This could take decades for some technologies."

 

[dmcowen674]

Today's excuses:

8-19-2005 Oil jumps after attack on U.S. ships

Oil climbed more than 3 percent higher on Friday as rocket attacks in the Middle East...

The knee jerk reaction to this sort of headline is to think of the Middle East as a powder keg," said Deborah White, senior energy analyst at SG Commodities in Paris.

Top financial energy trader Goldman Sachs said on Thursday it expected crude oil to average around $60 a barrel in about five years, $15 above its previous forecast.

Merrill Lynch hiked its long-term forecast by 40 percent on Friday, but said it expected only $42-a-barrel crude toward the end of this decade.
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Apparently these "top" financial traders need educating from me.

I have been predicting the prices on the nose for the last 3 years at least.

 

[dmcowen674]

P&N Elitists insisted that Iraq Oil is not part of the supply chain.

That does not appear to be true at all.

It is clear the Oil Barons (mainly Cheney and Haliburton) do in fact benefit from Iraqs Oil.


8-22-2005 Electricity Cut Halts Iraq Oil Exports

BASRA, Iraq - Iraq's oil exports were shut down Monday by a power cut that darkened parts of central and southern Iraq, including the country's only functioning oil export terminals, Iraqi and foreign oil officials said.

Exports through the country's other main route, the northern export pipeline to Turkey, have long been halted by incessant sabotage.

Iraqi officials said sabotage was also responsible for Monday's blackout, which prevented oil from being pumped into tankers waiting at berths.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Please explain your logic between the article stating the electricity was cut off and your comments.

P&N Elitists insisted that Iraq Oil is not part of the supply chain.

That does not appear to be true at all.

It is clear the Oil Barons (mainly Cheney and Haliburton) do in fact benefit from Iraqs Oil.

 

[dmcowen674]

Maybe not all Religious whackos are bad:

8-22-2005 Televangelist Calls for Chavez' Death

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson called on Monday for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, calling him a "terrific danger" to the United States.

Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former presidential candidate, said on "The 700 Club" it was the United States' duty to stop Chavez from making Venezuela a "launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said.

"We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

 

[DaveSimmons]

That's mighty un-Christian of Pat.

I wonder if he is still pretending to worship God in some church while advocating murder?

 

[EatSpam]

Is Chavez a Muslim? News to me.

 

[dmcowen674]

Canada sells Oil Company to China

8-22-2005 Chinese Oil Company to Buy PetroKazakhstan

The acquisition of PetroKazakhstan Inc., a Canada-based company, by a unit of China National Petroleum Corp., comes just three weeks after Hong Kong-based CNOOC Ltd. dropped its bid for Unocal Corp. following opposition from U.S. politicians.

PetroKazakhstan is based in Calgary, Alberta, but has all of its production in Kazakhstan, where it says it has reserves of 550 million barrels. Kazakhstan exports about 800,000 barrels of oil a day.

 

[dmcowen674]

Oh noes

Storm coming so raise prices:

8-24-2005 Crude Oil Prices Leap on Supply Worries From Tropical Storm Katrina

VIENNA, Austria - Crude oil prices rose above $66 a barrel Wednesday amid supply concerns in advance of the release of the latest U.S. petroleum inventories report and an approaching storm that could hurt Gulf of Mexico output.