OK, I Screwed up by buying a Radeon video card

[PliotronX]

Originally posted by: PCTweaker5
There. lol

Fixed

Your debating skills are lacking, but your trolling is impeccable. You called Rollo an offensive name in the video forum thread and that is definitely against the forum rules. I'm not telling you out of spite, but if you value your ability to post here you really should tone it down. You have to realize that everyone is free to have their own opinion, it's your prerogative to prefer Nvidia's hardware over ATI's. But the majority of your posts here do not help and in fact drag down the forum a notch.

 

[PCTweaker5]

Originally posted by: flexy

Originally posted by: PCTweaker5
Im quite surprised that not many ATI fanboys are posting in this thread. Probably because they know their drivers DO suck and they dont want to argue with that. Now if somebody was blaming the hardware then this place would be bombarded with fanboys and "childish" remarks from Rollo, VIAN, and all those other "mature" people. Its nice to read forums like this without having to hear those fanboys whining.

what's a 'childish' remark ?

Some ATI fanboy saying "it must be your system config, because for others the cards/drivers run fine !"
OR
Nvidia boy saying "ATI cards are garbage and their drivers suck" because they have problems with their PCs crashing.

So - what here is the CHILDISH remark ?

And...btw. on the same level is your comment "ATI fanboys know that their drivers DO suck and dont want to argue"

Left kindergarten early today to go online and post ?

You dont get it nevermind. Oh and I dont think there is a kindergarten class in session at this time.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: PCTweaker5

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: PCTweaker5
I didnt stoner! I meant I would like it if I still had it.

You you calling a stoner you Thief.


Budman is for Budweiser man dumbass.

No you're obviously a stoner fu fu f*ckface!

Here's a Link for you PCTweaker5

 

[slowbutsure]

I normally don't get involved with these childish rants by both ATI & Nvidia fans, but both mantufacturers drivers leave junk behind that can interfear with the next card's performance. the only Nividia card I ever owned was a Gefocre2 Mx400 and the DVD playback quit on the card.
Since then I have used ATI cards only and gone from a 7500 to a 9600xt with no problems with drivers. I and my son most of the time don't even uninstall the old drivers, just install the new ones and overwrite the old. I'm sure that Nividia makes good cards, but I'm not interested in trying them as the solutions I have now work fine. Beside that on two seperate forums that I frequent, Nividia is not without their problems with drivers.

If someone does'nt like ATI cards then I say to you-Buy Nividia. Just don't come on this or any other forum and trash what you don't like.

 

[PCTweaker5]

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: PCTweaker5

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: PCTweaker5
I didnt stoner! I meant I would like it if I still had it.

You you calling a stoner you Thief.


Budman is for Budweiser man dumbass.

No you're obviously a stoner fu fu f*ckface!

Here's a Link for you PCTweaker5

I see youve already torn that pussy up. No thanks!

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: oldfart
Originally posted by: thorin

completely agree with stranger707, if they can't get their sh!t together they should expect to have products returned and business lost. There is absolutely no reason that ATi cards and drivers should require 'extrorindary" efforts during an "upgrade".

They dont. Here is how I did my upgrade from a Ti4600 to a 9700P

1) Add/remove programs. Un-install nVidia drivers.
2) Remove nV card
3) install new ATi card
4) Install ATi drivers.
5) Play games.

This is the same method I have used to install MANY different cards from many different vendors. NEVER have I ever had to do an OS install or use any special method of driver removal. This works for ATi-> nVidia, or nVidia-> ATi. I cant fathom why people have so much difficulty installing a video card.

And again, I have a bud who play BF1942 DC every day on his 9700P rig. I play (much) less frequently, Neither of us have any issues with the game.

Yep they don't require anything extra to upgrade for you. But most others aren't as fortunate as you. When I upgraded my geforce3 to a 9500pro, I did the exact same steps, except it came out as:
1) Add/remove programs. Un-install nVidia drivers.
2) Remove nV card
3) install new ATi card
4) Install ATi drivers.
5) Reboot
6) BSoD on windows startup
7) try safemode, and get BSoD too
8) Clean install of windows
9) Install mobo drivers, reboot
10) Install DX9
11) Install ATi drivers again
12) play games
13) half my games crash
14) try different drivers
15) some games are fixed, while other games crash
16) try more drivers
17) headache
18) sell ati card
19) buy nvidia card
20) install nvidia card
21) install nvidia drivers
22) play games
Now being the fanatic you are, you will probably just say it was my system configuration, because it worked perfectly for you.

 

[flexy]

6) BSoD on windows startup

i dont even REMEMBER when i had a BSOD the last time on my system (just as a side note)

And i agree, BSOD just by booting to Win is definetly NOT normal.

But then...wouldn't it rather make sense to point at NV because the uninstall seems not to work right ?

If ATi drivers usually work, and, apparently, there are big problems after removing/unisntalling an NV card..isn't it a bit weird to point the finger at ATI ???
And...i also have no doubt that after you exchanged the 'not working' ATI card for Nvidia again that it WORKED.

What proves that ? That Nvidia's drivers are sh~t.. ..because the common denominator with all that PROBLEM-threads (be it here or elsewhere) is always that someone exchanged Nvidia for ATI...and 'magically' gets problems

Edit:
Another 'explanation' would be that NV hardware is less picky when it comes to certain settings, eg. bios AGP aperture, fastwrites...just a theory.
Swapping the cards the would result in probs. BUT - also nothing which could not be solved.

The fact that you got BSODs already after the install shows me that 'something' was screwed up, some setting, etc.. - and then it is also not surprising that the system afterwards was not running were stable. So - i am a ATI fanboy now because i am stating there was some problem with your setup instead of "admitting" that ATI produces garbage cards and drivers ?

 

[TalkingMIME]

I just wish AIW has some Linux drivers. GATOS is a load to get running.

 

[PCTweaker5]

I apologize for my ignorance.

 

[bluemax]

"I am big! I am mean! I am tough! I stand behind my favorite video card company and will fight for it to the death!
GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!"



Ever see "Killer Clowns from Outer Space"? Somehow this reminds me.......

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Now being the fanatic you are, you will probably just say it was my system configuration, because it worked perfectly for you.

No need to call me names is there?

"worked perfectly for me"
And lots of other people

This is the method I've used to install drivers for more video (and sound) cards from more vendors than I can count for many years. If you had problems, it's understandable. Windows is certainly a less than perfect OS and problems happen all the time. I'm just pointing out the it is certainly not necessary as some people seem to think to do a complete OS reinstall just because you get a new video card. I've been messing with PCs since about 1994 and have never had to do that once. YMMV

FWIW, my current XP install, which was upgraded over the top of Win2K has been through 3 video cards, 3 motherboards and 2 sound cards.

and here is a

right back at ya!

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: fisher
how is it ati's fault that when going from nvidia to ati you need a 3rd party program to clean all the nvidia stuff off your pc? sounds like nvidia's installer/uninstaller to me.

Well when I consider all the experiences I've had with my family and at work it seems to me.

Matrox to NV works
NV to Matrox works
S3 to NV works
NV to S3 works
NV to Intel works
Intel to NV works
ATI to NV fails
NV to ATI fails

Edit: Ignore these numbres OldFart pointed out that they're skewed and I could only come up with a few of the necessary test cases to correct them......

Hmmmm 6 outta 8 (75%). So who am I gonna think has the problem? Likely the guys who fails 2 outta 8 (25%), not the guy who succeeds 6 out of 8 (75%).

Of course that's just my experience but from the tonne of stuff we all read online you'll see a similar pattern.

Edit:
Another 'explanation' would be that NV hardware is less picky when it comes to certain settings, eg. bios AGP aperture, fastwrites...just a theory.

It would seem much more likely that ATI's drivers are simply not as forgiving as they could be (similar to nv, s3, matrox, intel, etc....) Considering all the different manufacturers of nvidia based solutions. I'm not saying it definately isn't a hardware thing it just seems much more likely to be software related.

IMHO if your first suspect when encountering a BSOD is HW then I definately don't want you in my support group because you're going to cost me too much money replacing HW that ins't actually faulty. (I'm talking BSODs in general)

Thorin

 

[oldfart]

Matrox to NV works
NV to Matrox works
S3 to NV works
NV to S3 works
NV to Intel works
Intel to NV works
ATI to NV fails
NV to ATI fails
Hmmmm 6 outta 8 (75%). So who am I gonna think has the problem? Likely the guys who fails 2 outta 8 (25%), not the guy who succeeds 6 out of 8 (75%).

Your chart is incomplete. You dont have ATi to anything else but nV. Your chart is very "nVcentric" with every test with an nV card and only 2 of 8 with ATi. You cant draw statistical conclusions from that unless the same test were run on each card. Do you know that ATi-> Intel/Matrox/S3 works or does not?

I've done (off the top of my head)
S3 to Rendition
Rendition to 3dfx
Rendition to nVidia
S3 to 3dfx
Matrox to 3dfx
3dfx to nVidia
ATi to 3dfx
nvidia to ATi (several times)
ATi to nVidia (several times)
Intel to nVidia
Intel to ATi

All of them worked.

 

[mcoonsy]

ADRENALINE VAULT SAYS THE NEW DRIVER (ATI) PATCH RELEASED TODAY WILL FIX YOUR PROBLEMS.

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: oldfart

Matrox to NV works
NV to Matrox works
S3 to NV works
NV to S3 works
NV to Intel works
Intel to NV works
ATI to NV fails
NV to ATI fails
Hmmmm 6 outta 8 (75%). So who am I gonna think has the problem? Likely the guys who fails 2 outta 8 (25%), not the guy who succeeds 6 out of 8 (75%).

Your chart is incomplete. You dont have ATi to anything else but nV. Your chart is very "nVcentric" with every test with an nV card and only 2 of 8 with ATi. You cant draw statistical conclusions from that unless the same test were run on each card. Do you know that ATi-> Intel/Matrox/S3 works or does not?

Good point.....my number are definately skewed.

ATI to S3 works (haven't gone the other way)
ATI to Intel works
Intel to ATI works
Matrox to ATI works (haven't gone the other way)

Hmmmmmmmm.......ok everyone ignore the numbers in my previous post they're incorrect.....

Thorin

 

[pdn]

Well................it's kind of funny on how I have 3 different pc's all with ATI cards and I haven't had the problems that has been suggested by all the NVIDIA hard core users! My games play well, awesome graphics. Sure I've had my share of problems while updating the drivers, because I wasn't un-stalling them correctly. But I've also seen people with NVIDIA cards with the same problems. Some driver files are still being used while the PC is running so it can't completely uninstall them until it restarts or you uninstall it in safe mode. I will tell you this though is that certain hardware combinations work better than others. That is the reason why I check for compatibility issues before purchasing any new hardware. For those of you that are complaining about lock-ups, BSOD, etc??????. it could be that your board works better with an NVIDIA card. There is my two cents worth. Take it as you wish, doesn?t matter to me, cause I?ll take ATI over NVIDIA as a personal preference.

 

[bluemax]

I've used both.

I like both.

[shrug] Whatever's the best deal - they both work fine.

 

[ElFenix]

i had to update my bios in order to get mine working right... AGP 8x didn't work quite right with the old bios i guess.

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: bluemax
I've used both.

I like both.

[shrug] Whatever's the best deal - they both work fine.

Agree. Last few cards were GF3->GF4 Ti4600->9700P->9800P. All of them worked well with no big issues to speak of. Next card may be back to nVidia. It depends on how the nV40 and the R420 stack up.

 

[txxxx]

How about listing the specs of your system?

 

[Atlantean]

Originally posted by: stranger707
About 3 months ago I started a flamefest on this forum by asking why I should buy an ATI card. I have been a staunch Nvidia fan for years, and I have had no problems with the GeForce cards. I have bought GeForce 2 Pro's, GeForce 3 Ti200's, GeForce 4 4800's and many more. They all worked fine in AutoCAD and many, many games.

But many people who posted on my original post 3 months ago convinced me to try an ATI card. So last month I bought two new cards: an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro for my machine and an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro for my son's computer. My son soon bought Battlefield 1942 and tried out the 9800 Pro. What a disaster. It locked up the computer over and over. We updated the Catalyst drivers, and the problems never abated. I was disappointed by the ATI product support solution to the problems with this new DirectX 9.0 game -- to turn off the best rendering capabilities of the 9800 Pro.

This problem is not isolated to Battlefield 1942. I have experienced the same problems with Call of Duty on my 9700 Pro.

I finally bought an Nvidia 5700 Ultra for my son's computer so that he could play Battlefield 1942 on LAN games without having the computer lock up. Since we installed the 5700 Ultra he has had no problems.

So I wonder why the ATI crowd can recommend these video cards. They obviously cannot perform, they obviously cannot meet the minimum specifications that they claim to achieve.

Why would you recommend such a product???????

Because it is a hellofa lot better than the 5700 ultra, you obviously have little idea what you are doing because when I run battlefield 1942 it looks great. Perhaps you should have removed your old nvidia drivers with drivercleaner before you installed the 9800 pro... you may have gotten a lemon though and might need to warranty it... have you tried downloading the latest drivers?

 

[gregshin]

hmm i have a 9800 pro running COD with no probs @ at all

 

[PCTweaker5]

Originally posted by: Atlantean

Originally posted by: stranger707
About 3 months ago I started a flamefest on this forum by asking why I should buy an ATI card. I have been a staunch Nvidia fan for years, and I have had no problems with the GeForce cards. I have bought GeForce 2 Pro's, GeForce 3 Ti200's, GeForce 4 4800's and many more. They all worked fine in AutoCAD and many, many games.

But many people who posted on my original post 3 months ago convinced me to try an ATI card. So last month I bought two new cards: an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro for my machine and an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro for my son's computer. My son soon bought Battlefield 1942 and tried out the 9800 Pro. What a disaster. It locked up the computer over and over. We updated the Catalyst drivers, and the problems never abated. I was disappointed by the ATI product support solution to the problems with this new DirectX 9.0 game -- to turn off the best rendering capabilities of the 9800 Pro.

This problem is not isolated to Battlefield 1942. I have experienced the same problems with Call of Duty on my 9700 Pro.

I finally bought an Nvidia 5700 Ultra for my son's computer so that he could play Battlefield 1942 on LAN games without having the computer lock up. Since we installed the 5700 Ultra he has had no problems.

So I wonder why the ATI crowd can recommend these video cards. They obviously cannot perform, they obviously cannot meet the minimum specifications that they claim to achieve.

Why would you recommend such a product???????

Because it is a hellofa lot better than the 5700 ultra, you obviously have little idea what you are doing because when I run battlefield 1942 it looks great. Perhaps you should have removed your old nvidia drivers with drivercleaner before you installed the 9800 pro... you may have gotten a lemon though and might need to warranty it... have you tried downloading the latest drivers?

He never said anything about how it looks so I take it it locks up for you too.

 

[JediJeb]

Originally posted by: txxxx
How about listing the specs of your system?

I agree here, without knowing mobo, NIC, Sound card, chipset, processor or a host of other things we are comparing apples to cement blocks. There are so many things in a PC which can interfer with each other there is no way to know what the problem is from the info given. What about room temperature and case ventilation, heck anything can cause a problem like that.

 

[Atlantean]

Originally posted by: PCTweaker5

Originally posted by: Atlantean

Originally posted by: stranger707
About 3 months ago I started a flamefest on this forum by asking why I should buy an ATI card. I have been a staunch Nvidia fan for years, and I have had no problems with the GeForce cards. I have bought GeForce 2 Pro's, GeForce 3 Ti200's, GeForce 4 4800's and many more. They all worked fine in AutoCAD and many, many games.

But many people who posted on my original post 3 months ago convinced me to try an ATI card. So last month I bought two new cards: an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro for my machine and an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro for my son's computer. My son soon bought Battlefield 1942 and tried out the 9800 Pro. What a disaster. It locked up the computer over and over. We updated the Catalyst drivers, and the problems never abated. I was disappointed by the ATI product support solution to the problems with this new DirectX 9.0 game -- to turn off the best rendering capabilities of the 9800 Pro.

This problem is not isolated to Battlefield 1942. I have experienced the same problems with Call of Duty on my 9700 Pro.

I finally bought an Nvidia 5700 Ultra for my son's computer so that he could play Battlefield 1942 on LAN games without having the computer lock up. Since we installed the 5700 Ultra he has had no problems.

So I wonder why the ATI crowd can recommend these video cards. They obviously cannot perform, they obviously cannot meet the minimum specifications that they claim to achieve.

Why would you recommend such a product???????

Because it is a hellofa lot better than the 5700 ultra, you obviously have little idea what you are doing because when I run battlefield 1942 it looks great. Perhaps you should have removed your old nvidia drivers with drivercleaner before you installed the 9800 pro... you may have gotten a lemon though and might need to warranty it... have you tried downloading the latest drivers?

He never said anything about how it looks so I take it it locks up for you too.

Umm nope I have never once had it lock up... thats why I was wondering what he is talking about... also if it had locked up wouldn't that mean that I am unable to play it?