Ok, Just what Created the BIG BANG then? Creationism Overrules IMO..

[CuriousAndy]

We desperately hold onto the theory of Big Bang to fultill the curiousity of our origin.
Our advancement of knowledge, 'Science' tells us that a big bang occured from one point, exploding with stars and premature galaxies exponentially.

I still don't get it, how does that still answer where we came from? What started the Big Bang?: the essence, the prime point that was waiting to explode,.. What/Who put a start to it?

I'm not forcing any religion to you, Creationism is about something more transcedant than us, putting the start to our world. It is not entitled or limited to a specific religion.

Without having to be any religious, the theory of Big Bang still doesn't answer our ultimate question. Even an athesit can agree with this.

IMO, Big Bang does NOT contradict Creationism. Creationsim and Big Bang can co-exist. Moreover, Creationism overrules and contain the theory of Big Bang. Because the essense of Big Bang theory still does not answer the question that itself provides:

"We originated from Big Bang, then what started the Big Bang?"

What's Your opinion? I want to intensively discuss this..

~MoOo

 

[Maetryx]

Maetryx here,

I think evidence of the Big Bang proves creationism. When the scientists of the 1930's, including Albert Einstein, discovered that the universe was expanding, and not static, they were very upset. An eternal static universe was the leading atheistic paradigm at the time. Other than the conflict over how old the universe is, the Big Bang fits nicely with creationism.

Creationists themselves are split over the age of the universe. Personally, I'm an old earth creationist, which has the MOST scientific evidence going for it.

 

[GoldenBear]

<< What's Your opinion? I want to intensively discuss this.. >>

I hear there are varying opinions on this subject.

 

[CuriousAndy]

In my opinion creationism fits in nicely with Norse and Ancient Greek Mythology and thats all it fits in nicely with. Adam and Eve, the Tower of Babel and the rest of that stuff seems like complete nonsense to me. It baffles my mind how intelligent individuals can fall for what I believe is to be nothing but mythology.

Red Dawn
What You're talking about is totally irrelevant with what my point is. I stated that Creationism is not obligated or restricted to certain religion. I'm asking what created the Big Bang, in essence. And how it baffles MY mind how simpltons rely onto the Big Bang theory which does not even satisfy the quesetion of our starting point

~MoOO

 

[Rage187]

God said BANG and it happened..

Next question???

 

[RossGr]

I have made that exact point in previous theads. I belive the current idea is that there was a quantum fluxuation that started the big bang. But, mathmatically speaking the big band is considered a singularity. Math can identify a singularity but no meaning full work can be done THROUGH one. So we cannot talk about the other side of the big bang. Be careful when thinking about the BB happening at a time or place. The BB was all places and time before it happened. The BB did not happen IN our universe it happened TO our universe. Kinda like the difference &quot;Christ FROM god or Christ OF god&quot;.

 

[GoldenBear]

<< I hear there are varying opinions on this subject.

??? >>

I heard controversey stirs when this topic brought up. I may be going out on a limb though.

 

[nomahe]

<< In my opinion creationism fits in nicely with Norse and Ancient Greek Mythology and thats all it fits in nicely with. Adam and Eve, the Tower of Babel and the rest of that stuff seems like complete nonsense to me. It baffles my mind how intelligent individuals can fall for what I believe is to be nothing but mythology >>


I suppose you don't believe in Santa,Frosty,The Tooth Fairy or lil Elves either??? Some people can be so closed minded.

 

[randomlinh]

didn't you know i created the big bang?

 

[nomahe]

<< I have made that exact point in previous theads. I belive the current idea is that there was a quantum fluxuation that started the big bang. But, mathmatically speaking the big band is considered a singularity. Math can identify a singularity but no meaning full work can be done THROUGH one. So we cannot talk about the other side of the big bang. Be careful when thinking about the BB happening at a time or place. The BB was all places and time before it happened. The BB did not happen IN our universe it happened TO our universe. Kinda like the difference &quot;Christ FROM god or Christ OF god&quot;. >>


Don't cloud the issue with facts. I'm trying to follow this and can't understand a word your saying when you talk over my head!

 

[RossGr]

I pefer God said and there was light.

 

[Rage187]

physics and meta-physics have already proven that there is something..

do a search on geocubic square its an advanced physics formula that shows how to calculate light-speed and it also explains that you cant go from one square to another if there was never a square to begin with..

 

[CuriousAndy]

didn't you know i created the big bang?

Where have you been all my life God?..

(this also proves that God is an ATOT addict)

 

[Pretender]

Alright, then just who created God?

I rest my case.

 

[yakko]

If creationism explians the big bang because you don't know where the big bang came from I ask you to tell me where God came from to create the big bang? Neither theory makes sense when you stop and ask where it all came from.

 

[StageLeft]

I started the big bang after last night's bean dip

 

[Rage187]

you keep wanting to put a personality in a THING..

Maybe god isn't a thing maybe its EVERYTHING..

 

[A5]

IMO, the Big Bang was the result of the collapse of the universe that existed before ours. But I'm sure it's way more complex than that

 

[Mikal]

No one knows so what the hell you arguing about?

- Big Sexy Mikal, NWO

 

[Panther]

If everything has a cause and effect this means that god had a cause (s/he/it hasn't always just been). the logical chain can go on forever.

 

[CuriousAndy]

yakko &amp; Pretender

<<Alright, then just who created God?>>

God is a timeless entity that define/defy existance. I know it sounds ridiculous without being religious. However they do have a statement like that to rely onto. People without religion just simply don't know what started the Big Bang


Red Dawn
<< Maybe god isn't a thing maybe its EVERYTHING:
Then it isn't the Christian God that many speak of>>

You just don't get it Red Dawn? I don't care about religion. I'm just poking at how the theory is Big Bang is full of flaws. You seem to relate Creationism directly and only to Christianity. It seems like you had a rough childhood with Christians

~mOoO

 

[RossGr]

<< advanced physics formula that shows how to calculate light-speed >>



c = 1/Sqrt(e0/u0)

where e0 = epsision zero . permutivity of free space
u0 = mu zero permisivity of free space

These are both fundamental properties which are indepentently measureable.

See my God said link for the equations behind this formula.

Edit: Fix this at the root
c = 1/(sqrt(e0*u0))

e0= permittivity = 8.85 X 10^-12 farad/meter
u0= permeability = 1.26 X 10^-6 henry/meter

This is correct

 

[Mikal]

RossGr, you just gonna confuse 'em.

 

[Rage187]

stop w/ all the logic and facts, your hurting my head

 

[nomahe]

<<c = 1/Sqrt(e0/u0)

where e0 = epsision zero . permutivity of free space
u0 = mu zero permisivity of free space>>

Yea, that's what I was going to say...but, you beat me to it.

Edit:I want to use this as my sig Ross?