Ok, Just what Created the BIG BANG then? Creationism Overrules IMO..

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HipnoticTranz

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Isn't there a thread on this, like, every week?

My god guys, take Astronomy 101 or somethin', it'll answer a lot of questions you have. I just got done with Astronomy in High School and it answered all my questions. And it just reinforced my disbelief in god.
 

Panther

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The fact of the matter is that no one knows what happened. You are free to believe whatever you will. There are some people who believe the US never landed on the moon or the holocaust didn't happen... hey, whatever floats your boat.
 

konichiwa

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<< Don't cloud the issue with facts >>

If that isn't the best example of religious babble I've ever heard...Don't CLOUD the issue with FACTS. ROFL!
 

Maetryx

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<< Alright, then just who created God?

I rest my case.
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I'm glad you rested your case here, because that makes destroying this fallacy much easier. Theism is the belief that God is the uncreated necessary being than which none greater can be conceived.

Since we have existence now, evidenced by the undenialbe tenet &quot;I think, therefore I am&quot;, we know that SOMETHING must alwyas have existed. It follows from cause-and-effect. There must have been SOMETHING that was uncaused i.e. uncreated, or our chain of cause-and-effect would extend backwards infinitely.

But an acutal infinite is impossible. And given that the universe is expanding, it must have had a finite beginning, or it would have expanded infinitely by now. Since it had a begninning, it had a Beginner.

Existence, let alone self-aware intelligence, screams out for the existence of God.
 

nomahe

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LOL, Konichawa, I couldn't tell WTF he was talking about. I figured if I said facts, I wouldn't make as many waves.
 

Panther

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<< Since it had a begninning, it had a Beginner. >>




and you nicely assume this was your god.


I on the other hand, believe &quot;the Beginner&quot; was a flatulent termite named Christopher.
 

RossGr

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<< Edit:I want to use this as my sig Ross? >>



Becareful, check the spelling, I never have been able to spell and I think I got typo, a quotient where I should have a product, e0*u0 not e0/u0

Not sure why you would want that as a sig, be better if we could use the real symbols.
 

ElPool

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It doesnt matter that science cant fully explain the big bang, or what caused it. just because scientists dont know the answers doesnt mean that god MUST exist. however, it certainly doesnt prove the nonexistence of god either.

 

nomahe

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<< Becareful, check the spelling, I never have been able to spell and I think I got typo, a quotient where I should have a product, e0*u0 not e0/u0 >>


Check the spelling??? For what? I don't have a clue what it is. I think I know three words there.Zero,free and something else. Thanks for letting me, but, people would think I was a doofus if I didn't correct the errors now wouldn't they?

Edit: What do you have to do to get the Mods to warn you w/o suspending or Banning you so I could use that as my sig?
 

Valhalla1

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you ask where the big bang came from.. the other side of the question is, if creationism is true and there is a god, where did &quot;it&quot; come from ?

 

JohnCU

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Although I believe in God, it hurts my brain to think that God was always here and that he will always be here. I mean, damn that's a long time. But there had to be a God, to put this in motion, like some of you have said. You can't just get a Big Bang from nothing.
 

Maetryx

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<< and you nicely assume this was your god >>



It makes more sense than concluding it caused itself, or that nothing caused it.
 

glenn1

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Hmmmm, i wonder why the biblical passage about &quot;casting pearls before swine&quot; comes to my mind whenever there is one of these threads.....

There are people here on the forums who would still deny God's existence, even if He was the featured guest on &quot;Larry King Live.&quot; These topics do make for nice long threads though...
 

Presence

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God, religon, the afterlife...they are all created by humans to ease our pointless lives so that we have something to look forward to after death.
 

DRGrim

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Oh, come on.

Just because you personally don't get the extremely complex concept of the Big Bang, that only a few people ever fully understood, it doesn?t mean that some immortal superbeing had to be involved.

There are people whose job it is to figure these things out, and you are not one of them. Please, leave it to the experts.
 

RossGr

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<< &quot;casting pearls before swine&quot; >>



You know that is the phrase an old Physics prof I worked with used on his way to teach a freshman Physics course. Same could be said of the fundamentaist who is unable to use his god given talents to analyze the world we live in.
 

Pretender

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<< yakko &amp; Pretender

<<Alright, then just who created God?>>

God is a timeless entity that define/defy existance. I know it sounds ridiculous without being religious. However they do have a statement like that to rely onto. People without religion just simply don't know what started the Big Bang
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Ah, of cource, but the universe couldn't be such an entity because it's not in a large book full of words. Oh wait, yes it is, it's just not in one written by people 2000 years ago, so it must be obsolete. Please teach me more of your ways!
 

Brutuskend

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Who created god? Whats at the end of &quot;space&quot;? Where did we come from? Where will we go?
Is there a god? What came first the chicken or the egg?
Thats why we have a brain, so we can decide these questions for OURSELVES. Or at least contemplate a answer to the questions. In the end NO ONE KNOWS and NO ONE EVER WILL! (or if they do, there not going to tell US!! CUZ they will be dead!!)
 

rc5

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When I was in elementary school, I had read a book &quot;From one to infinity&quot;. It said there wasn't a big bang as we thought it was. It was actually a bounce back after the universe shrinked from its full size to a singularity(Can we call that as &quot;Big Shrink&quot;?). Our universe will shrink back again in a remote future due to the gravity. Then everything bounces back again as another big bang.

 

rc5

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We will never be able to know what happened before our big bang and after the future big bang. The immense force during the shrinking destoried anything in the pre-bigbang. There could be another Earth, another anandtech forum before the big bang, but we will never be able to know.
 

Javelin

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Theists are not satisfied with the Big Bang because it seems to have an unknown cause. However, the assumption that everything must have a cause is itself paradoxical. Like someone pointed out, if everything needs a cause, then so too does God. Theists get around this point by defining God to be timeless, or beyond time. But this same argument can easily be made for the universe. Why is it that the big bang require a cause at all? If theists are going to define God as the prime mover, then it is my perogative to define the big bang singularity as just that.

Moreover, it can be argued that the big bang could not have had a cause, or that nothing could have preceded it. If we view causality as a temporal phenomenon, then the big bang singularity is a limit as space time goes to zero. At the singularity itself, there exists neither space nor time. Therefore, without spacetime, causality ceases to exist. We can then state that there can be no cause of the big bang as time itself did not exist.

This seems hard to grasp, but think of it in these terms. What is north of the north pole? Nothing, but this doesn't create any unresolvable paradoxes. We can think of the universe in the same way. Time, as we feel it, runs North to South - from the Past to the Future. The Big bang singularity corresponds to the North pole. Now, we know that asking a question such as what happened before the big bang is simply non-sensical - it is like asking what is north of the north pole. So if time itself is only defined up to the big bang singularity, and causality is really a function of time - or is at least dependent on time existing, then we achieve a similar answer: causality is only defined up to the big bang.
 

Brutuskend

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<< We desperately hold onto the theory of Big Bang to fultill the curiousity of our origin >>



The same thing can be said about god. We desperately hold onto the theory of GOD to fullfill the curiousity of our origin.
Kindly explain the differance!

Oh wait I know the differance! It's in that song we used to sing in sunday school. ..........the bible tell's me so..........
 

bigdog1218

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RossGr, spittin out freshman physics equations wow!, you're the man
and e0=permittivity constant
and u0= permeability, not permisivity or whatever
 

Mikal

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&quot;Send me your money, brethren! Or the lawd gonna call me home early!&quot;

That would be an example of what us humanists don't like.


 

RossGr

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<< RossGr, spittin out freshman physics equations wow!, you're the man >>



As I said I work from memory, obviously in the 25yrs that have passed since I took a physics course tells. The basic relationship holds. The info you put out is correct.

 
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