OK Law makers move to ban AP history courses

[Victorian Gray]

People like me? I seem to be among the handful of people here to realize that this story is about the right objecting to changes the left is making, not the right demanding changes.


And you know the changes are for the better because people you hate don't like them. Gotcha.


Disagree strongly.

btw, found any example public school history texts to back up those claims of yours yet?

"I'd love to see an example of an American history school text with multiple notations of George Washington Carver and none on George Washington. Got some titles we can check out?"

"And, if you could find us an example of an American history school text that covers the 2nd world war only "significantly after Pearl Harbor", that would be appreciated as well."

 

[rommelrommel]

Did I fucking say they were mutually exclusive? I just happen to believe that our history books should be much more specific than using a incredibly generic term like democracy. Why is this a fucking problem for you?

Because you're splitting fucking hairs to avoid addressing your fucking bullshit claims.

 

[oobydoobydoo]

Lol Doc Savage self-owns again. Keep up the good fight, doc.

 

[Jhhnn]

People like me? I seem to be among the handful of people here to realize that this story is about the right objecting to changes the left is making, not the right demanding changes.

Culture warriors are so devoted to ideological purity & indoctrination that they'd reduce the national competitiveness of their own high school graduates. For somebody seeking entry into a prestigious school, AP credits are an asset. Even if they're staying close to home, free credits are free credits.

High school graduates have received an enormous amount of information about American Exceptionalism in the standard curriculum. My sons' American History texts were very much along the lines of those I remember from the 60's- All the positives, often omitting the negatives. Vast social changes & movements are left unexplored & unexplained. The AP course is designed to achieve greater depth & fill in the gaps so that participants can pass the AP test to receive free college credit for what they've accomplished in high school. If not, they'll have to take the same sort of course in college & pass the same sort of tests to receive credit. Well, other than at some Christian Universities where indoctrination is maintained clear through advanced degrees.

 

[zinfamous]

People like me? I seem to be among the handful of people here to realize that this story is about the right objecting to changes the left is making, not the right demanding changes.

THe other handful of people are asking about the actual nature of these so-called changes.

seriously: please cite some changes. These state congress critters didn't allow any examples from which their rage was stoked...so perhaps you guys filling out their tent can help them with this?

seriously: examples of "evil librul histo-theology" are necessary for this kind of legislation.

 

[nickqt]

Because you're splitting fucking hairs to avoid addressing your fucking bullshit claims.

The right seems to have a hardon with not acknowledging that the US is, wait for it, a representative DEMOCRACY.

A republic is literally any country without a monarchy.

Britain: Not a Republic.

China: A Republic.

Admitting that the US is a Republic with Representative DEMOCRACY means that big bad gub'mint really is the sum of every citizen who votes. And when you're trying to argue that gub'mint is evil at every turn, it gets awkward when someone calls you out on your gub'mint claims when You, and I, and your neighbor, and your uncle, and his three kids, are the gub'mint.

Instead, you knock the specific type of government the US is, a Representative DEMOCRACY, and wax poetic about how the US is really a Republic. Because semantics and word games is just about all they have left to play.

 

[brycejones]

Did I fucking say they were mutually exclusive? I just happen to believe that our history books should be much more specific than using a incredibly generic term like democracy. Why is this a fucking problem for you?

Oh, appearing to get angry that will make us take your position more seriously in the light of no evidence to support it. BTW what specific book committed this grave sin you keep ranting about?

You have to provide a single example of "liberals" only wanting to teach the bad parts of American history. Put up or shut up.

 

[brycejones]

Disagree strongly.

Doc can put up or shut-up. So far he made some dumb-ass statement about liberals and has deflected and/or just flat refused to support his claim.

Sorry that's trolling.

I'm sure he would love it if you could dig up something to support his idiotic statement because he seems intellectually incapable of it.

As a reminder the basic gist was that liberals only want to teach the bad parts of American history.

 

[Jhhnn]

Doc can put up or shut-up. So far he made some dumb-ass statement about liberals and has deflected and/or just flat refused to support his claim.

Sorry that's trolling.

I'm sure he would love it if you could dig up something to support his idiotic statement because he seems intellectually incapable of it.

As a reminder the basic gist was that liberals only want to teach the bad parts of American history.

That dumb-ass statement is the result of what he believes to be true. He's committed to the ideology from which such deeply held belief arises. He enjoys the feeling of believing. If he admits to having been mistaken, he'll need to alter his world view to fit the truth. That sort of introspection is poison to right wing belief & kills the joy he finds in it.

Therefore, he runs away from the sticking point to keep the Faith. He's spouted the same dumb-ass shit for years & probably always will. It's denial, similar to that of alcoholism.

The heart takes us to places where the intellect can't follow. He's so deep into it that he can't tell the difference.

 

[ttown]

Don't libruls/dems get tired of their party lies?

Like this one: "OK Law makers move to ban AP history courses"

When, in fact, no OK Law Maker has ever moved to ban AP history classes.
It happens all the time -- and can pretty much be demonstrated by any "anti republican" aimed thread title on this and any other liberal/democrat slanted site.

Why can't you libruls/dems rely on actual truth to argue how and why your party is supposedly better than any other -- such as Constitutional Conservatism?

I'd sure like to see that some day -- even though I'm basically a Constitutional Conservative. Based on the last 6+ years of librul/dem lies, I won't hold my breath.

 

[Meghan54]

Don't libruls/dems get tired of their party lies?

Like this one: "OK Law makers move to ban AP history courses"

When, in fact, no OK Law Maker has ever moved to ban AP history classes.
It happens all the time -- and can pretty much be demonstrated by any "anti republican" aimed thread title on this and any other liberal/democrat slanted site.

Why can't you libruls/dems rely on actual truth to argue how and why your party is supposedly better than any other -- such as Constitutional Conservatism?

I'd sure like to see that some day -- even though I'm basically a Constitutional Conservative. Based on the last 6+ years of librul/dem lies, I won't hold my breath.

OK, maybe ban is a harsh word.

How about:

Oklahoma lawmakers are trying to block funding for Advanced Placement U.S. history courses, saying the curriculum is not patriotic enough, as they aim to join others in halting a program designed to prepare top students for college.

This week, a bill to cut funding for Advanced Placement U.S. History courses in the state passed an Oklahoma House committee along party lines, with 11 Republican voting for the measure and 4 Democrats opposed.


"We don't want our tax dollars going to a test that undermines our history," Dan Fisher, a Republican lawmaker who authored the bill, said during committee debate.

From linked source in OP.

So, not banning, but cutting off funding because the AP History Class isn't being taught "patriotically enough".

You're right....banning sounds stupid. Cutting funding because of your ideological belief that American history should focus on Americans spreading democracy and exceptionalism, instead of even daring to speak to how the Native Americans were "democracized" almost into extinction and placed on reservations, or how blacks were---well, basically considered lesser beings akin to animals----sounds pretty stupid, too.

 

[Brainonska511]

Don't libruls/dems get tired of their party lies?

Like this one: "OK Law makers move to ban AP history courses"

When, in fact, no OK Law Maker has ever moved to ban AP history classes.
It happens all the time -- and can pretty much be demonstrated by any "anti republican" aimed thread title on this and any other liberal/democrat slanted site.

Why can't you libruls/dems rely on actual truth to argue how and why your party is supposedly better than any other -- such as Constitutional Conservatism?

I'd sure like to see that some day -- even though I'm basically a Constitutional Conservative. Based on the last 6+ years of librul/dem lies, I won't hold my breath.

A ban on funding of AP US History classes in schools may not be a de jure ban, but it would work pretty well as a de facto ban.

And what's a "Constitutional Conservative"?

 

[brycejones]

Don't libruls/dems get tired of their party lies?

Like this one: "OK Law makers move to ban AP history courses"

When, in fact, no OK Law Maker has ever moved to ban AP history classes.
It happens all the time -- and can pretty much be demonstrated by any "anti republican" aimed thread title on this and any other liberal/democrat slanted site.

Why can't you libruls/dems rely on actual truth to argue how and why your party is supposedly better than any other -- such as Constitutional Conservatism?

I'd sure like to see that some day -- even though I'm basically a Constitutional Conservative. Based on the last 6+ years of librul/dem lies, I won't hold my breath.

libruls? Are you trying to sound uneducated on purpose?

Hey maybe you can help ole Doc, he still hasn't been able to show how evil liberals are only wanting to teach the bad parts of American history. Can you help him out?

BTW just for grins can you provide concrete examples of what you don't think should be taught in an AP history class because it isn't patriotic enough?

 

[zinfamous]

A ban on funding of AP US History classes in schools may not be a de jure ban, but it would work pretty well as a de facto ban.

And what's a "Constitutional Conservative"?

They're the ones that walk around with pocket-sized copies of "the constitution." It has large, bold letters and lots of pictures. None of them actually read it, though--but the 2nd amendment is given a single page in that pamphlet and is dog-eared by every Constitutional Conservative.

Curiously, every other part of the document, upon inspection, reveals very light use compared to the page devoted to the Second Amendment (that page sponsored by the NRA, of course)

:hmm:

 

[brycejones]

They're the ones that walk around with pocket-sized copies of "the constitution." It has large, bold letters and lots of pictures. None of them actually read it, though--but the 2nd amendment is given a single page in that pamphlet and is dog-eared by every Constitutional Conservative.

Curiously, every other part of the document, upon inspection, reveals very light use compared to the page devoted to the Second Amendment (that page sponsored by the NRA, of course)

:hmm:

I thought that page was in 40 point type and the rest of the document was on the back in 3 pt type?

 

[ttown]

OK, maybe ban is a harsh word.

How about:


From linked source in OP.

So, not banning, but cutting off funding because the AP History Class isn't being taught "patriotically enough".

That's a lot better and an abnormally huge step toward honesty coming from someone on the left. Thanks, and congratulations....

Cutting funding because of your ideological belief that American history should focus on Americans spreading democracy and exceptionalism, instead of even daring to speak to how the Native Americans were "democracized" almost into extinction and placed on reservations, or how blacks were---well, basically considered lesser beings akin to animals----sounds pretty stupid, too.

too bad your honesty was only temporary.

So anyway... I'll take your answer as at least a partial "yes"

Thanks for answering

 

[Jhhnn]

Don't libruls/dems get tired of their party lies?

Like this one: "OK Law makers move to ban AP history courses"

When, in fact, no OK Law Maker has ever moved to ban AP history classes.
It happens all the time -- and can pretty much be demonstrated by any "anti republican" aimed thread title on this and any other liberal/democrat slanted site.

Why can't you libruls/dems rely on actual truth to argue how and why your party is supposedly better than any other -- such as Constitutional Conservatism?

I'd sure like to see that some day -- even though I'm basically a Constitutional Conservative. Based on the last 6+ years of librul/dem lies, I won't hold my breath.

So lame. If the legislature won't fund a highway, there won't be a highway. If the legislature won't fund AP history courses, there won't be any of them in public schools, either. The net result of a ban and a refusal to fund are the same thing, even when dancing on a rhetorical pin head.

 

[ttown]

libruls? Are you trying to sound uneducated on purpose?

No, just trying to fit in with the name-calling democrat/liberals. It seems that's all they do.

Hey maybe you can help ole Doc, he still hasn't been able to show how evil liberals are only wanting to teach the bad parts of American history. Can you help him out?

I'm sure Doc can explain for himself if and when he feels like it. Assuming Obama doesn't take that freedom away from him. /sarcasm

BTW just for grins can you provide concrete examples of what you don't think should be taught in an AP history class because it isn't patriotic enough?

Maybe not concrete, since I haven't read the bill. But in general: Anything that spreads Obama's hatred of America.

Now that I answered your question(s), will you finally answer mine?

 

[feralkid]

I thought that page was in 40 point type and the rest of the document was on the back in 3 pt type?

That's how the founding fathers intended it.


Commie.

 

[ttown]

So lame. If the legislature won't fund a highway, there won't be a highway. If the legislature won't fund AP history courses, there won't be any of them in public schools, either. The net result of a ban and a refusal to fund are the same thing, even when dancing on a rhetorical pin head.

I'm quite certain there will be an AP History class in Oklahoma. Just not one focused on hating the country. So you can quit worrying.

 

[MongGrel]

I say we just Nuke Oklahoma and get it over with.

Oh, wait a minute, they are a state?

:hmm:

Good for the kids, they are smarter than the politicians there apparently.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I lived in OKC for about 3 years when I was in the Air Force. I met some nice people but the city and state are basically a shithole. OKC has, if memory serves, the lowest level of post-secondary education of any city in the US, or is at least near the lowest. I am disappointed, but not surprised, that the legislature there would do something this stupid.

I find the anti-intellectual streak in the current iteration of the Republican party really frustrating and I think it represents a major long-term problem for the party (actually David Brooks called this phenomenon, in referring to Sarah Palin in 2008, a "fatal cancer" for the party).

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe not concrete, since I haven't read the bill. But in general: Anything that spreads Obama's hatred of America.

Can you expand on this? I feel like whatever your answer is will be highly amusing.

 

[brycejones]

I'm sure Doc can explain for himself if and when he feels like it. Assuming Obama doesn't take that freedom away from him. /sarcasm

Cool another "conservative" highly concerned about how children are being educated but you can't offer any evidence either of how evil "libruls" are corrupting the minds of children with AP history classes.

Your whining might carry more weight if you came armed with some actual evidence to support whatever contrairian position you are wanting to take.

 

[brycejones]

I'm quite certain there will be an AP History class in Oklahoma. Just not one focused on hating the country. So you can quit worrying.

Please expound on how the current AP history class hates the country.