ok ok since nobody else is making a thread. ***Disaster as Korean ferry sinks***

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darkxshade

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The one thing I find hard to believe is that they're saying the hundreds of missing might still be alive in air pockets? It's been a couple of days now in 50 degree waters. If anyone was alive, I don't think they're are anymore. So whatever the missing headcount is now... I'm more inclined to believe they've all drowned. :\
 

Jodell88

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The one thing I find hard to believe is that they're saying the hundreds of missing might still be alive in air pockets? It's been a couple of days now in 50 degree waters. If anyone was alive, I don't think they're are anymore. So whatever the missing headcount is now... I'm more inclined to believe they've all drowned. :\
There's the story of a guy that was found alive in an overturned ship that sunk to the bottom IIRC.
 

Imp

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There's the story of a guy that was found alive in an overturned ship that sunk to the bottom IIRC.

That was in the Indian Ocean or some other very warm, tropical place. And the guy was the cook, a crew member who knew something about ships.

These were a bunch of mostly high school students who were probably great at being told what to do... like staying put while the captain saved his own ass.
 

moonbogg

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That was in the Indian Ocean or some other very warm, tropical place. And the guy was the cook, a crew member who knew something about ships.

These were a bunch of mostly high school students who were probably great at being told what to do... like staying put while the captain saved his own ass.

So easy to criticize the captain from our safe, dry, comfy chairs. Here comes the water, you are as good as dead, what do you do? If panic is your answer I wouldn't blame you, but clearly people are quick to blame the captain.
He handled it as poorly and selfishly as he could have (if reports are true) but I can say I understand. I don't see him as a bad person for this. He reacted out of fear and events, including his own behavior, were at that point well out of his control.
 

Imp

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So easy to criticize the captain from our safe, dry, comfy chairs. Here comes the water, you are as good as dead, what do you do? If panic is your answer I wouldn't blame you, but clearly people are quick to blame the captain.
He handled it as poorly and selfishly as he could have (if reports are true) but I can say I understand. I don't see him as a bad person for this. He reacted out of fear and events, including his own behavior, were at that point well out of his control.

Edit: See less passive-aggressive response below.
 
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Imp

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And to return to some level-headedness about this story, the facts are still in flux with the investigation ongoing. We "should" all reserve judgment until the facts are clear.

However, the current facts are:
- 179 people survived, which includes the captain
- 25 confirmed dead
- 271 potentially missing in a capsized ship in 10-15 C water

I'll leave out the rumors, speculation, and "lesser" facts about performance for now.

Did he panic? Maybe, that's speculation. Was he the captain and a leader? Yes. He was the captain and ultimately responsible for the ship, its operation, and the hundreds of people onboard his ship under his care. These were responsibilities that he presumably volunteered and was trained for. The passengers and crew likely look up to the captain for leadership in a time of crisis. You will be judged based on your performance and obligations. If you "panic" when it goes bad, you will be judged as a captain and not as a lowly passenger.
 

nageov3t

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Isn't it illegal for the captain to abandon ship before anyone else?

as it turns out, yes it is.

Prosecutors in South Korea filed for arrest warrants on Friday for the ship’s captain, the third mate and another crew member on criminal charges of deserting their ship and passengers after a ferry capsized and possibly trapped hundreds of people, many of them high school students on a trip to a resort island.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/world/asia/south-korean-ferry-accident.html
 

NFS4

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Vice-principal of South Korea school in ferry disaster commits suicide


(Reuters) - The vice-principal of a South Korean high school who accompanied hundreds of pupils on a ferry that capsized has committed suicide, police said on Friday, as hopes faded of finding any of the 268 missing alive.

The Sewol, carrying 475 passengers and crew, capsized on Wednesday on a journey from the port of Incheon to the southern holiday island of Jeju.

Kang Min-gyu, 52, had been missing since Thursday. He appeared to have hanged himself with his belt from a tree outside a gym in the port city of Jindo where relatives of the people missing on the ship, mostly children from the school, were gathered.

Police said Kang did not leave a suicide note and that they started looking for him after he was reported missing by a fellow teacher. He was rescued from the ferry after it capsized.



http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/18/us-korea-ship-idUSBREA3F01Y20140418
 

Murloc

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it sounds like Schettino's korean cousin was the captain.

I guess most of the missing persons are dead but who knows if a few are still alive.
 

brainhulk

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I think it's ridiculous these trapped kids didn't get as much international help as the Malaysian jet. Surely someone had the means to get those kids out of there quickly.
 

Mermaidman

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Isn't it illegal for the captain to abandon ship before anyone else?

I don't think that a captain literally has to be the "last man off," but he cannot neglect his duty.

From the Reuters article:
"I don't know why he abandoned the ship like that," said Ju Hi-chun, a maritime author who interviewed the captain in 2006 as one of the experts on the route to Jeju island.

But he added: "Koreans don't have the view that they have to stay with their ship until the end. It is a different culture from the West."
 

Murloc

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I think it's ridiculous these trapped kids didn't get as much international help as the Malaysian jet. Surely someone had the means to get those kids out of there quickly.
the currents are too strong to send down the divers, there already are cranes there to raise the ship a bit.
There's not much more they can do I guess.
 

CptObvious

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What a terrible tragedy. I took one of those ferries to Jeju Island about 6 years ago (not from Seoul, but close to where the sinking happened).

Contrary to that Reuters article, the Korean news is saying the vice principal who killed himself did leave a note:

The vice president of Danwon High School, who was rescued from the sunken ferry Sewol along with some students, was found dead in an apparent suicide Friday.

Police said officers found the dead body of the senior teacher, surnamed Kang, 52, hanging from a tree on a hill near a gymnasium on Jindo Island where family members were waiting for news of missing students.

A hand-written suicide note was found in his wallet.

“I can’t live on without knowing whether my students are alive or not. Please let me take all the responsibility as I pressed ahead with the field trip. Burn my body and scatter it on the site of the sinking,” it read.

Police learnt he was missing after he returned from questioning by the Coast Guard at around 9 p.m., Thursday.

He reportedly tried to apologize to parents and family members of the missing students with his fellow teachers, but this was rejected.

Kang accompanied the students as head teacher on the four-day trip to Jeju Island. Despite surviving the accident he reportedly told teachers that he felt responsible for not saving the other students.

He was appointed to the school about a month ago.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/04/116_155683.html
 

ponyo

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I'm still in shock over the Korean ferry sinking news. :'( I feel heartbroken for the families involved. Pretty much all scheduled Korean TV programming was canceled yesterday because of this incident.

edit: Now all scheduled Korean TV programs are canceled til Sunday.
 
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Imp

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I think it's ridiculous these trapped kids didn't get as much international help as the Malaysian jet. Surely someone had the means to get those kids out of there quickly.

South Korea's a lot more first-world/capable than Malaysia, it seems.

From what I've read, conditions in the water aren't safe enough for hundreds of divers already on scene. And articles show that the passenger compartments were up top, which on a capsized ship means at the bottom. The ship looks tall enough for that bottom to be at least a few floors down.

I'm guessing that cutting into the part of the ship that's still above water would let the air out and cause it to sink if it's not resting on the sea bed.
 

lupi

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So which one of you is posting notes about still being stuck inside the ship.
 

dbk

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Yeah been following this as soon as it broke few nights ago. YTN has a live stream on youtube in Korean. Initially, it appeared that everyone would be removed safely but when I woke up next morning and saw that almost 300 were missing..ugh that was hard to take. Most likely that those kids all perished. So shocking that the captain told everyone to remain in their places and also failed to alert the authorities right away. A lot of failures all around and these innocent kids paid for it with their lives. The pictures are hard to watch. RIP
 

PokerGuy

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What an awful tragedy RIP to those folks, it has to be really awful for their loved ones.
 
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