OK, this is going too far (Ad Placement)

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Ness

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Then why don't you do some research and find out how much money they make on a click-through, since you seem to know that it's enough to support the site. The fact is click-throughs do only pay fractions of a cent. it's when it adds up that it makes a difference. If the money is there for the taking, then why not just make it? Would you prefer an AT bake sale to support the site or something? There really isn't much else that can be done, and your anti-advertising of the subscriber service sure isn't helping.


I don't talk out of my ass. I've looked these things up and found out about them. You on the other hand, base your arguements entirely on your opinion, which, might I say, is very sour for someone who has been getting the services of these boards for free.


 

Sunner

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Ness, is your oppinion that unless a person is a subscriber, they're not allowed to have an oppinion?

Im not demanding anything from AT, nor am I "threatening" to leave or anything like that.
Im merely stating my oppinion that the placement of those particular ads is bad, or in more everyday word, "sucks".
 

Lord Evermore

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Oct 10, 1999
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Maybe Anand thinks the ads look good there. Bet nobody thought of that one.

Certainly they seem to think that the left side was a better place than putting them at the top. I don't think visibility was the primary issue other than getting it "above the fold".
 

Idoxash

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Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
So you'll remain a leecher...so the ads aren't that bad, so they accomplish what they intend to, you're viewing the ads.

osage: are you viewing the pages in a maximized browser window? I rather think people who use varied size windows that result in scrollbars can't REALLY blame any page width issues on the site. The site is designed for a certain width, if you use less than that and it looks odd...

If you're not doing that, what browser are you using? The only way I can make scrollbars appear is with a window width of somewhere around 700.

LOL well i'm not seeing them cause while others failed with the CSS all you have to do is disable JavaScrip and boom it's all gone like it was never there. While you at it just take out java, js, flash, and there are other things in mozilla that will render stuff like this none working... heck even killen cookies helps! I do get top ads and i have not one prob with thoes ads as they are not in my way! The ad on the left is only in my way cause it makes the forum smaller. Also i'm more upset because the way they went about doing all of this and how some of you dudes acted like we are all lame posers for not liking the ad and paying money to someone that has far to much already.

--Idoxash
 

Ness

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Originally posted by: Sunner
Ness, is your oppinion that unless a person is a subscriber, they're not allowed to have an oppinion?


Not quite. I'm saying that just because you have an opinion, doesn't mean that (and sorry for making it sound so rude) anyone has to care. Obviously, everyone is entitled to an opinion about whatever they want. But what matters is how others take that opinion and use it.




 

Barnaby W. Füi

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Originally posted by: Idoxash
LOL well i'm not seeing them cause while others failed with the CSS all you have to do is disable JavaScrip and boom it's all gone like it was never there.

1. Just because they counter-hacked the first CSS hack doesn't mean that that's just the end of it. I surf ad free thanks to CSS, it's just obvious that I can't just go blindly pasting it publically, or they'll ruin it again.

2. Disabling javascript has tons of bad side effects.
 

loup garou

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Another wonderful side effect of the ads is the slowdown they cause:
Originally posted by: Zuni
The new ad table causes the entire page to download before the forum content shows, there are no server issues or slow downs so its either that thats causing the issue or a poor route somewhere.

Hope that helps.
From here.
 

WarCon

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Zuni or Anandtech Deals, is it possible to place the ads within the posts? I personally would find their placement in the posts less obtrusive than the left ad placement. I find Ad intermissions (like when the whole forum page changes to a full page ad for 15-30 sec) less annoying than their current placement. I personally don't object to the ads and even find the google ads to be interesting (giving of prices, etc..), but honestly click them very little, but at least I actually read them at the bottom. My eyes avert from the left placement, because I am trying to read the posts and I guess my brain is defective (at least according to a fellow member) because the left placement even makes reading/responding to the posts harder for me. My Anandtech experience is greatly diminished.
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: ness1469
Then why don't you do some research and find out how much money they make on a click-through, since you seem to know that it's enough to support the site. The fact is click-throughs do only pay fractions of a cent. it's when it adds up that it makes a difference. If the money is there for the taking, then why not just make it? Would you prefer an AT bake sale to support the site or something? There really isn't much else that can be done, and your anti-advertising of the subscriber service sure isn't helping.


I don't talk out of my ass. I've looked these things up and found out about them. You on the other hand, base your arguements entirely on your opinion, which, might I say, is very sour for someone who has been getting the services of these boards for free.

You miss the whole f'ing point ONCE again. Like you said. IT ADDS UP. I don't care if it is fractions of a cent or $2 per click. The simple point is that it supports the site just like subscribing does.

This is JUST a guestimation.

$30/year divided by 365 days/year= $0.08/day for a subscriber

$0.0033/click with an average of 2 clicks a day for non-subscribers.

Say we have 300 subscribers and 4700 non subscribers.

$24/day paid via subscribers

$31/day paid via non-subscribers.

Now if they lose those clicks by pissing everyone off how is that going to help. It shows that non-subscribers take A LOT more people to bring in the money for AT but he needs them nonetheless. I don't see how annoying non-subscribers is going to help when a lot will just use other means to remove the ads.

Is that SPECIFIC enough for ya?


 

jmagg

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Nov 21, 2001
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"This is JUST a guestimation" and "Is that SPECIFIC enough for ya?"

Don't belong in the same paragraph when ones trying to make a point.




 

Idoxash

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Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Originally posted by: Idoxash
LOL well i'm not seeing them cause while others failed with the CSS all you have to do is disable JavaScrip and boom it's all gone like it was never there.

1. Just because they counter-hacked the first CSS hack doesn't mean that that's just the end of it. I surf ad free thanks to CSS, it's just obvious that I can't just go blindly pasting it publically, or they'll ruin it again.

2. Disabling javascript has tons of bad side effects.

I can't blame you for not giving it out and i know killen javascript has bad side effects. for thoes sites that don't use standar in my opinion use a lot of it for there layouts and even nav and links! Heck even the front page of Ananadtech uses JS out the butt. But sometimes just to kill it off to prove a point is worth it lmao.
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: jmagg
"This is JUST a guestimation" and "Is that SPECIFIC enough for ya?"

Don't belong in the same paragraph when ones trying to make a point.

The point was that I gave him a VERY specific example of why non-subscribers matter. It is a guestimation since I don't have any real numbers. AT are the only people that do know the numbers.
 

Delbert

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I had a tough time with the subscription price until I broke it down to something I could justify. My reasoning has been in my signature for a long time now.
 

Devistater

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Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Originally posted by: maladroit
any way to hack out this nonsense in ie?

Somewhere in preferences you can point it to a user defined stylesheet I believe, save the css I posted and point IE to that file, it probably won't work 100% how it should, but it may be enough to get rid of the ads.

Or you can try out that program called proximatron I think it is.
http://www.proxomitron.org/

It can stop popups and tons more. Basically all html is sent through it first before it hits IE (actually before it hits ANY browser you use). That way it can change HTML as its coming in. You could set it to change the HTML of the ad similar to what they are saying for mozilla.
Its a great little program, give it a try. Some of the cooler features: Makes blinking ads stop blinking (or maybe just blink once). You can tell it to control midi music that gets loaded by html. It can stop webpages from autorefreshing (dang I hate those that do). It can unhide URL's that are blanked by a scrolling thing in the status bar at the bottom of IE. If you are security/privacy concious you can have it change the stuff you send back to sites like what browser you use, what resolution what operating system, etc.

Basically you can have it change or not change any HTML that comes into your computer before it hits your browser.

Better yet its free, no nagware, no timelimited stuff nothing like that.
 

Ness

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Jul 10, 2002
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Originally posted by: Codewiz

You miss the whole f'ing point ONCE again. Like you said. IT ADDS UP. I don't care if it is fractions of a cent or $2 per click. The simple point is that it supports the site just like subscribing does.

This is JUST a guestimation.

$30/year divided by 365 days/year= $0.08/day for a subscriber

$0.0033/click with an average of 2 clicks a day for non-subscribers.

Say we have 300 subscribers and 4700 non subscribers.

$24/day paid via subscribers

$31/day paid via non-subscribers.

Now if they lose those clicks by pissing everyone off how is that going to help. It shows that non-subscribers take A LOT more people to bring in the money for AT but he needs them nonetheless. I don't see how annoying non-subscribers is going to help when a lot will just use other means to remove the ads.

Is that SPECIFIC enough for ya?


I didn't miss the point... because you failed to make one. You are trying to make the point that "placing the ads here will run people off", correct? Well, as I stated before, everyone that claims they are leaving over this has probably posted since they said that.
Then you try to make the point that "non-subscribers are bringing in more money than subscribers", but you fail to realize what you have wrote... 300 people generate $24 a day, while 4700 generate ONLY $31. It may just be me, but I think that the bandwidth caused by the 4700 would require them to make more to be profitable. I assume you don't realize that those 4700 are causing 15.67 times the bandwidth (assuming everyone uses an equal part.) than the 300, yet they only bring in 1.29 times what the subscribers do. Hell, if the people leave, then bandwidth costs less and AT needs less money to run the site, so either way, they win. Keep in mind this is assuming that those 4700 members ALL click at least TWO ads PER DAY, which we all know won't happen, because some members don't click any at all, and some members aren't even here everyday. By my guessing, that would make both groups bring it about $24 a day, and probably less from the non-subscribers.

So your "simple point that it supports the site just as much as subscribing does" is horridly mistaken. Unless in your flawed thinking you believe that the 15 times the bandwidth is equal the 1.3 times the profit. Perhaps while your argument was trying to grasp for air you forgot that you were originally trying to argue about the ad's placement, not just having the ads altogether, because getting rid of the ads would kill any income AT gets from non-subscribers.


Now, which brings me back to MY point...

If you have nothing better to do than to complain that the precious area of your screen is being blugeoned to death by a 100 pixel wide advertisement, then do us all a favor and leave, as you said you were. Trust me, you presence appears to be NO ONE'S blessing, and if all you want to do is whine about what you are getting free, then maybe you should take some time away from here and learn a thing or two about life before you try to do that again. Having the ads on the left is beneficial to the site, whether you choose to agree or not. Removing the ads altogether is not possible because it brings in the funds which support AT. Moving them to the right would make them easy to pass up. People want it for that reason, but AT doesn't for the same reason. If you make it easy to pass them up, then they won't get any clicks at all, let alone the two per day you claim everyone will make. Just get over the ads and in a week or two they won't bother you anymore.




 

Devistater

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Sep 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: c
It's a simple concept. You can't have effective advertising if your ads piss off your target audience. It's really that simple. Move it to the top or right. Most/all of us aren't arguing against the use of advertising for money to run a site. We're saying do it in a way that doesn't PISS US OFF.

And to the people telling us to spend $30... Well a lot of us are hot deals browsers and quite frankly this isn't a "hot deal". Not only that but a good number of us wouldn't ever give in to paying when we feel like we're being pressured to by these highly unprofessional ads.

And to reiterate......... YOUR ADVERTISING WILL BE INEFFECTIVE IF YOU PISS OFF YOUR TARGET AUDIENCE. Take pop ups for instance. I close those without EVER looking to see what they're selling because I would never buy something that is advertised to me in an annoying way. I never buy from telemarketers either on the same principle. I have clicked ads before though and these were the ones that both interested me and didn't piss me off.

CONSUMERS ARE SMARTER THAN YOU THINK AT/GOOGLE.

I agree. I myself have clicked crucial and newegg ads here. I'm another subscriber who stopped after a few months. I also close ALL popups regardless of what they offer or who is selling them. I refuse to buy anything from popups because they are so freaking annoying. Another thing that's annoying, those websites that focus on them after you open them and they load. I often open up a dozen windows and having a website that switches to another window sucks.


Oh and add my vote to move the ads to the right or top. I mean if it was at the top I could scroll down and still have the whole width of the screen for the forums. And I could still see and click the ads if I wanted.

Originally posted by: bot2600
quick solution, unmaximize IE, move it so it 'hangs a couple inches off the right side of the screen, stretch it to fill the whole screen, then move it to the left until the ads are off the side of the monitor and the forums fit snug on the screen, and no ads on the left 'that you can see'

Ugh thats so much trouble to go through though. And every time you visit it too.

Originally posted by: brinstar117
Admittedly, I know little about html publishing and forum software, but is there at least a way for the forum to at least regain the left hand column blank space BELOW the left hand banner ad?
It's not a total solution, but it would help immensely as I have limited resolution to work with.
I occassionaly vist the www.battle.net forums and they have similar advertisment placement. However their ads are on the right hand side and after the bottom of the ad, the forum is able to take the space below it.
www.battle.net Forum Example
I didn't come here to complain, I am just trying to mediate or offer possible compromises.

Great idea! If people could regain space below the first couple posts, I think that would mitigate a lot of peoples problems with this new placement. I agree wholeheartedly.

 

Aves

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Originally posted by: Devistater
Originally posted by: brinstar117
Admittedly, I know little about html publishing and forum software, but is there at least a way for the forum to at least regain the left hand column blank space BELOW the left hand banner ad?
It's not a total solution, but it would help immensely as I have limited resolution to work with.
I occassionaly vist the www.battle.net forums and they have similar advertisment placement. However their ads are on the right hand side and after the bottom of the ad, the forum is able to take the space below it.
www.battle.net Forum Example
I didn't come here to complain, I am just trying to mediate or offer possible compromises.

Great idea! If people could regain space below the first couple posts, I think that would mitigate a lot of peoples problems with this new placement. I agree wholeheartedly.

I would prefer to have them at the top but I agree that this is a better solution than what we have now.
 

Rand

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Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
Maybe Anand thinks the ads look good there. Bet nobody thought of that one.

I sincerely hope that's not the only reason the ad's are placed on the side. Anand must be awfully arrogant and self important if he's insisting on having the ads on the right side solely because he prefers the appearance that way despite the fact that a good dozen have left the forums over it and over a hundred have complained varaciously.

In any case, some judicious tweaking with a certain unmentioned application has killed the ads on the side for me, and the forum now utilizes the entire browser width.
Ironically in their effort to increase ad views, they'll actually lose my click throughs now as formerly I would check out the ads once in awhile.
 

Hossenfeffer

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I'll still be visiting the forums and am not planning some exodus.

I just can't understand how something hasn't been done to save the format of the page. It's just bad ju-ju Not a word except from Mr. Deals. Makes no sense to me.

Google wants better placement? Fine by me, but at least throw them somewhere that's more intuitive and in sync with the overall design.

Figured I'd make another mention for the ad not necessarily looking like an ad. Sure it says "Advertisment" at the top, but it's formatted in such a similar way...
 

Lord Evermore

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I don't see it as formatted in anything like the same way. No icons, a border separating it from everything else, "advertisement" stuck over the top and contiguous with the ad space and nothing else, not even the same font size. I don't get the "Anandtech related links" image though, that sort of is misleading, makes it look more like they're "AT approved" links to useful things, rather than being ads.
 

extro

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The first time I saw the ads, I went "whoa, what's different?"

I'm already used to them. And they're obviously working if they've gotten all the cheapskate Linux users pissed off.
 

SyahM

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it's been days now and i'm used to the ads already. I'm using notebook with 1024x768 res, no problem browsing though. I guess we all need to relax and regard the ads as nav. Of course, this may raise the level of click thru
 

olds

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Originally posted by: Devistater
Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Originally posted by: maladroit
any way to hack out this nonsense in ie?

Somewhere in preferences you can point it to a user defined stylesheet I believe, save the css I posted and point IE to that file, it probably won't work 100% how it should, but it may be enough to get rid of the ads.

Or you can try out that program called proximatron I think it is.
http://www.proxomitron.org/

It can stop popups and tons more. Basically all html is sent through it first before it hits IE (actually before it hits ANY browser you use). That way it can change HTML as its coming in. You could set it to change the HTML of the ad similar to what they are saying for mozilla.
Its a great little program, give it a try. Some of the cooler features: Makes blinking ads stop blinking (or maybe just blink once). You can tell it to control midi music that gets loaded by html. It can stop webpages from autorefreshing (dang I hate those that do). It can unhide URL's that are blanked by a scrolling thing in the status bar at the bottom of IE. If you are security/privacy concious you can have it change the stuff you send back to sites like what browser you use, what resolution what operating system, etc.

Basically you can have it change or not change any HTML that comes into your computer before it hits your browser.

Better yet its free, no nagware, no timelimited stuff nothing like that.
Checking it out.

 
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