Olbermann in trouble w/ NBC?

CallMeJoe

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Keith Olbermann shows how seriously he takes his criticism of Fox News' political donations to Republicans when he violates NBC's ethics policies with his own contributions to Democratic candidates. Is he going to face any repercussions from his employer?

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nick1985

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I wonder what MSNBC's reaction would be if it was found out that a host of theirs donated to Republican candidates.
 

Scotteq

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It's OK - As long as he never, ever, admits on air that he's uncomfortable when he see....



Oh NVM...
 

Corn

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Ummm, I'm not really seeing an issue here. I don't know how a political donation from Olbermann to lefties could be construed in any way as a "conflict of interest" that would require advanced permission from the network. After all, MSNBC is a paid shill for the Democrats, therefore these donations fall squarely in line in MSNBC's interests.
 

chucky2

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Ummm, I'm not really seeing an issue here. I don't know how a political donation from Olbermann to lefties could be construed in any way as a "conflict of interest" that would require advanced permission from the network. After all, MSNBC is a paid shill for the Democrats, therefore these donations fall squarely in line in MSNBC's interests.

Agreed. I mean, it's clear that NPR had to do it because you can't have one of their folks participating on FOX News and not towing their NPR line, so that dissent needs to be quashed immediately.

But Olbernutcase on MSNBC? It's FOX for the left, just more delusional.

Keith'll get told off the record he needs to be a little more sly in his donations, that's all...

Chuck
 

dawp

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If he told the higher ups before hand then it should be ok:

NBC and MSNBC TV require permission of the president of NBC News. (MSNBC.com is a joint venture of NBC Universal and Microsoft.)

"Anyone working for NBC News who takes part in civic or other outside activities may find that these activities jeopardize his or her standing as an impartial journalist because they may create the appearance of a conflict of interest. Such activities may include participation in or contributions to political campaigns or groups that espouse controversial positions. You should report any such potential conflicts in advance to, and obtain prior approval of, the President of NBC News or his designee."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19178161/
 

Craig234

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I don't really see an issue with modest personal donations to candidates. To ban those pretends the people don't have opinions,which doesn't make much sense.

It's like supporting a myth that they're 'neutral people', rather than that they are fair in how they report the news.

There are differences with Rupert Murdoch - who publically gave tens of thousands to each side publicallyl

What caused his scandal is the leak that he also gave a million dollars just to Republicans in a donation that was intended to be secret.

That's a big, 'rich buying elections for their agenda' donation, and hidden.

There's a difference with Juan Williams. This wasn't violating the journalistic ethics rules for years appearing on a very biased, punditry show, on another network he also worked for, making the network look bad and choosing Fox over NPR. It was a modest personal donation.

If Olbermann violated rules, he can get the same treatment Williams did - a comment to not do it again. And again. And again.

If they have these rules, while I question them - I guess the network is protecting against of "HE DONATES TO DEMOCRATS!!!" - he should follow them, unless he's trying to make a 'civil disobedience' issue of it, in which case there can be a price to pay up to endangering his position.
 

PJABBER

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Olbermann is not a journalist. He is a former sports broadcaster (hey, just like Sarah Palin!) who is now cheering for his side.

I think he should be able to contribute to the candidates of his choice, but should fully disclose that he does every time he makes mention of them or their Party.

By the way, did you know that he used to work for FOX for a few years before Murdoch fired him, saying: "I fired him...He's crazy." MSLSD likes crazy.

He used to date conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham. LOL! I wonder how she feels about that now?
 

MrMatt

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LOL Good. Pompous bag of hobo semen. He actually manages to make Fox News' anchors look objective.
 

Fern

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NBC and MSNBC TV require permission of the president of NBC News. (MSNBC.com is a joint venture of NBC Universal and Microsoft.)

"Anyone working for NBC News who takes part in civic or other outside activities may find that these activities jeopardize his or her standing as an impartial journalist because they may create the appearance of a conflict of interest. Such activities may include participation in or contributions to political campaigns or groups that espouse controversial positions. You should report any such potential conflicts in advance to, and obtain prior approval of, the President of NBC News or his designee."

My first impression was that this is just silly. Olbermann does opinion, not unlike Hannity or Rush. To refer to them as impartial journalists is wildly incorrect.

I'm now seriously questioning the intelligence and judgement of the MSNBC management. Apparently, even though they're in the industry/business, they do not know the difference between straight up journalism and opinion. Even worse is prospect they may actually believe Olbermann is a journalist.

Fern
 

Deeko

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Keith Olbermann shows how seriously he takes his criticism of Fox News' political donations to Republicans when he violates NBC's ethics policies with his own contributions to Democratic candidates.

That's a silly analogy. There's a big difference between an individual making a donation and a news corporation's parent making a donation.

Note that I'm not engaging in discussion on if Fox was wrong or if they are "fair and balanced" or not. Just pointing out the vast differences between these two things.
 

PJABBER

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Looks like he got fired.



Olbermann suspended after donating to Dems

By: Simmi Aujla November 5, 2010 06:00 AM EDT


MSNBC host Keith Olbermann has been suspended indefinitely without pay after POLITICO reported that he made three campaign contributions to Democratic candidates.

MSNBC President Phil Griffin said in a statement Friday: “I became aware of Keith's political contributions late last night. Mindful of NBC News policy and standards, I have suspended him indefinitely without pay."

Olbermann made campaign contributions to two Arizona members of Congress and failed Kentucky Senate candidate Jack Conway ahead of Tuesday’s election.

Olbermann, who acknowledged the contributions in a statement to POLITICO, made the maximum legal donations of $2,400 apiece to Conway and to Arizona Reps. Raul Grijalva and Gabrielle Giffords. He donated to the Arizona pair on Oct. 28 — the same day that Grijalva appeared as a guest on Olbermann’s “Countdown” show.

Grijalva, a prominent liberal who was just declared a winner in his race Thursday night, was in a tight contest against tea-party-backed candidate Ruth McClung when he appeared on "Countdown" — one of several appearances he made on the show.

NBC has a rule against employees contributing to political campaigns, and a wide range of news organizations prohibit political contributions — considering it a breach of journalistic independence to contribute to the candidates they cover.

Olbermann, who has become one of the most prominent liberal commentators on cable television, has been a critic of the political donations made by Fox News’s parent company, News Corp., which contributed $1 million each to a pair of organizations trying to defeat Democratic candidates.

Griffin also tweaked rival network Fox over the contributions. “Show me an example of us fundraising,” Griffin told The New York Times last month.

POLITICO discovered the Olbermann donation to Grijalva in a Federal Election Commission filing, and when MSNBC was asked for a comment, it forwarded a statement from Olbermann:

“One week ago, on the night of Thursday October 28 2010, after a discussion with a friend about the state of politics in Arizona, I donated $2,400 each to the reelection campaigns of Democratic Representatives Raul Grijalva and Gabrielle Giffords,” Olbermann said. “I also donated the same amount to the campaign of Democratic Senatorial candidate Jack Conway in Kentucky.”

In his statement, Olbermann said he wasn’t using his influence to solicit any donations for the candidates.

“I did not privately or publicly encourage anyone else to donate to these campaigns, nor to any others in this election or any previous ones, nor have I previously donated to any political campaign at any level,” Olbermann said.

Under FEC rules, an individual donor may give only $2,400 to a candidate per general election campaign. The FEC filings for Olbermann’s contributions list an address that is a Mailboxes Etc. storefront in New York, and it also lists his occupation as a newscaster for NBC Television.

MSNBC declined to comment on Olbermann.

“Countdown With Keith Olbermann” started in 2003 as a traditional news show but evolved into a left-leaning opinion program. Olbermann has tripled MSNBC’s ratings at 8 p.m., and much of the network’s recent evolution has followed his lead. In the past two years, MSNBC’s left-leaning opinionated hosts have helped propel it past CNN in prime time, and even lately during the daytime, too.

MSNBC has branded Olbermann as a prominent face in its new “Lean Forward” marketing campaign, which has been designed to show that the network clearly wants to be the cable news voice of the left, but the company has a policy that warns against political contributions.

A 2007 MSNBC.com story laid out the rules for the network regarding such contributions:

"Anyone working for NBC News who takes part in civic or other outside activities may find that these activities jeopardize his or her standing as an impartial journalist because they may create the appearance of a conflict of interest. Such activities may include participation in or contributions to political campaigns or groups that espouse controversial positions. You should report any such potential conflicts in advance to, and obtain prior approval of, the president of NBC News or his designee.”

News Corp., the parent company of Fox News, came under fire from liberals during the past election cycle for its contributions to the Republican Governors Association and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

On Oct. 7, Olbermann had House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) on his show to discuss the donations. At one point, he asked Clyburn: “Is there a legislative response to the idea that there is a national cable-news outlet that goes beyond having a point of view and actually starts to shill for partisan causes and actually starts to donate to partisan groups of one party?”

Olbermann’s contributions came amid a brutal campaign season for Democrats.

Giffords had appeared on Olbermann’s program in May, as did Conway. During his more recent broadcasts, Olbermann also made frequent references to the “Aqua Buddha” controversy involving Conway’s Republican Senate rival, Rand Paul, who handily won election Tuesday.

Grijalva had seemed to be in a safe race until the month before the election, when he became targeted by outside groups. In mid-October, national Democratic interests began putting money into his district to compete with fundraising for McClung from outside conservative groups.

On Oct. 28, Grijalva went on Olbermann’s show and fielded questions about a story linking profit motives of private prisons to Arizona's new immigration crackdown. It was the sixth time Grijalva had appeared on "Countdown" in a little more than the past six months.

Grijalva not only opposed the immigration law — known as S.B. 1070 — but inadvertently put himself in electoral jeopardy by calling for an economic boycott of his own home state in response, a move that didn't go over so well with cash-strapped Arizonans.

"It's almost extraordinary to believe that once we got past the original phony reason for it, which was security at the border, when obviously it didn't pertain to that whatsoever, that the real reason behind that was well, this is to intimidate people of Hispanic descent. Well, it turns out there's an even more base, cynical reason behind it. Am I wrong about this?" Olbermann asked. "Is there anything you can tell us about the relationship between these private prisons and the lawmakers who supported this monstrosity of a bill?”

Grijalva responded: "It is a wonderful I-told-you-so moment."
 

spidey07

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Not seeing a problem here. It's his money, he should be able to donate however he sees fit without repercussion.
 

PJABBER

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Not seeing a problem here. It's his money, he should be able to donate however he sees fit without repercussion.

I agree, so long as he does full public disclosure, just like the financial taking heads do when they talk about companies that they have money in.

Olbermann did not disclose that he was putting his money where his mouth was to his employers, as was required by their employment policies, and now it looks like they are going to fire him.

A lot of similarities to the NPR firing of Juan Williams, though in that case Williams was a contractor, not an employee, and was fired for working at a non-PC rival.
 

MooseNSquirrel

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Agreed. I mean, it's clear that NPR had to do it because you can't have one of their folks participating on FOX News and not towing their NPR line, so that dissent needs to be quashed immediately.

Where do people come up with this crap?
 

PJABBER

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You obviously didn't look very hard, since it clearly says "suspended", not "fired" or "terminated" or anything like that.

Read harder next time.

I have fired many people. "Indefinite suspension without pay" are code words that buy time to allow him to resign rather than be fired. If he doesn't resign within a few hours or days, he will be fired.

The ball is now in Olbermann's court. He could fight it and likely lose as his contract and MSLSD's employment policies will likely stand up in a labor hearing. If they don't, well, that will be really an interesting turn of events.

Either way, there is now a "poisoned environment" between him and his employer and it is likely that both will see the need to end the relationship. Just the details remain to be worked out, ie severance terms.
 
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thegimp03

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If it's against NBC's terms of employment, then he's in the wrong for doing it. Plain and simple.
 

Craig234

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He was "suspended indefinitely", a lot harsher punishment than Juan Williams received for act after act for years, and obviously than Rupert Murdoch received (none).
 

IBMer

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If these were terms of his employement, I see no problem with it. I am not a fan of his, but even so, these were terms of his employement.
 

nick1985

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I don't really see an issue with modest personal donations to candidates.

Neither do I. I wonder why he got in trouble then?

Oh yeah, the entire crux of the story. His contract. Maybe you missed that part? Or were the blinders just on?
 

Fern

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I don't think he should be fired.

I can't think of any straight journalistic show on MSNBC. The other cable news channels have them, but I don't think MSNBC does, they need to change their rule.

I also agree with Spidey07, it's their money so they should be able to contribute if they wish. It's also their 1st amendment right to do.

I guess the real problem is he didn't follow the rules; he should have informed MSNBC of his intention to donate.

But to pretend that this somehow jeopardizes his, or MSNBC's, 'impartiality' is laughable.

Fern
 
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