True, you could, but the ties to Iraq are much more compelling than just "his grandfather had dealings with Nazi Germany." Instead of flaming me try watching the History Channel. It isn't like I am just making some completely bogus claim here.
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Aegeon
Uh, Sadr has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Nazis for any reason. You seem to be lumping the "bad guys" all into one catagory when they have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Arguably the Baath party might have been somewaht inspired by the Nazi rheotoric in some respects, but saying Saddam's regime actually had ties to the Nazis is pretty absurd.Originally posted by: LEDominator
Sadr, etc. Those clerics I didn't mean that he was alive then, but the Baath party, which Saddam was a part of, traces its roots to the second world war and Germany's support of the arabs in order to offset Britains control of the region. A lot of the Arab leaders had pretty close ties to the germans, including the Mufti of Jerusalem who went to Iraq. It is way too complicated to sum up in a short little forum post but if you are interested I would check the listings for the history channel to see for yourself.
The argument can be made that the Bush administration has Nazi ties also because of the dealings of the Bush family's patriarch during that time period. You were reaching immensely to try to connect Saddam with the reich.
It is funny to me how he compares the two situations when Churchill was a die hard conservative.
The political leanings of Churchill are irrelevant to the argument. The point that Obermann was making was comparing the treatment that Churchill received from those in power in England for his dissent. They attempted to paint him as a traitor to the cause much like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, Condi, the GOP, et al have done to everyone that has had anything but diehard, blind support for their antics.
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: LEDominator
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: LEDominator
He cited CBS is the relevancy. Obviously Iraq isn't very secular btw if people have alegiances to clerics and whatnot. Not that it matters, but Saddam Husseins regime also has ties to the Nazis in world war II. The History channel had a thing on it a while back. I also would note that I never mentioned Iraq, all I am saying is at some time or another the West is going to have a big confrontation with Islam.
What allegiances to clerics are you talking about? How could Saddam Hussein's regime have had ties to the Nazis when he was 8 when the war ended? He didn't take office until almost 35 years later.
Sadr, etc. Those clerics I didn't mean that he was alive then, but the Baath party, which Saddam was a part of, traces its roots to the second world war and Germany's support of the arabs in order to offset Britains control of the region. A lot of the Arab leaders had pretty close ties to the germans, including the Mufti of Jerusalem who went to Iraq. It is way too complicated to sum up in a short little forum post but if you are interested I would check the listings for the history channel to see for yourself.
Wow, this is really the saddest attempt to justify the invasion of Iraq I've ever seen... portraying Iraq as the "bad guys" by linking them to the Nazi's. I guess we should destroy or disband every nation, group, or company that ever associated with the Nazi's... including Ameriacn ones, right?
Originally posted by: LEDominator
Because CBS is known for its integrity in reporting :disgust:
It is funny to me how he compares the two situations when Churchill was a die hard conservative. I see his point, but I think we are bound for a world war III with Islamofacists. And it doesn't mater whether you like GWB or not.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: LEDominator
Because CBS is known for its integrity in reporting :disgust:
It is funny to me how he compares the two situations when Churchill was a die hard conservative. I see his point, but I think we are bound for a world war III with Islamofacists. And it doesn't mater whether you like GWB or not.
I see they infected you with The Fear.
Originally posted by: LEDominator
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Aegeon
Uh, Sadr has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Nazis for any reason. You seem to be lumping the "bad guys" all into one catagory when they have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Arguably the Baath party might have been somewaht inspired by the Nazi rheotoric in some respects, but saying Saddam's regime actually had ties to the Nazis is pretty absurd.Originally posted by: LEDominator
Sadr, etc. Those clerics I didn't mean that he was alive then, but the Baath party, which Saddam was a part of, traces its roots to the second world war and Germany's support of the arabs in order to offset Britains control of the region. A lot of the Arab leaders had pretty close ties to the germans, including the Mufti of Jerusalem who went to Iraq. It is way too complicated to sum up in a short little forum post but if you are interested I would check the listings for the history channel to see for yourself.
The argument can be made that the Bush administration has Nazi ties also because of the dealings of the Bush family's patriarch during that time period. You were reaching immensely to try to connect Saddam with the reich.
It is funny to me how he compares the two situations when Churchill was a die hard conservative.
The political leanings of Churchill are irrelevant to the argument. The point that Obermann was making was comparing the treatment that Churchill received from those in power in England for his dissent. They attempted to paint him as a traitor to the cause much like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, Condi, the GOP, et al have done to everyone that has had anything but diehard, blind support for their antics.
True, you could, but the ties to Iraq are much more compelling than just "his grandfather had dealings with Nazi Germany." Instead of flaming me try watching the History Channel. It isn't like I am just making some completely bogus claim here.
Originally posted by: johnnobts
so if you believe that we are involved in a global war you are infected wtih fear?
-terrorists blow up embassies
-terrorists attempt to blow up trade center
-terrorists blow up cole
-terrorists blow up 2 towers, attempt to blow up white house
-terrorists commit bombing in mumbai
-terrorists commit raid into Israel, kill and kidnap soldiers
-terrorists commit bombing in london
-terrorists attempt to blow up 10-12 transatlantic planes
you're right, we're just a bunch of fear-mongerers. if we just forget about this stuff, and these militant islamists who have declared jihad on the West, they'll just disappear, and we can all hold hands again and play in the cotton candy forest and drink out of the chocolate river...
its called reality. we've been infected with a HEALTHY dose of reality.
by the way, comparing Rumsfeld to Hitler really is beyond the pail.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Please try to find a sources a little bit more credible and less sensationalistic than the history channel. Thanks.
Originally posted by: NeoV
You guys can take this in as many different directions as you want, but the bottom line is that D Rummy is a joke and an embarassment to this country, and like him or not, Keith Olberman's statement is dead-on accurate.
That depends on whether you're referring to a kid's sand pail on the beach or that huge bucket of sh8 the adminstration has been dumping on us since they first came to office.Originally posted by: johnnobts
by the way, comparing Rumsfeld to Hitler really is beyond the pail.
Olbermann's got more active brain cells in his pinky finger than O'Reilly has in his entire bloated head, and integrity, fairness and balance are concepts as far beyond the grasp of the Billo's grasp as any other part of reality.Originally posted by: bobdelt
Olbermann is worse than O'Reilly. He will say anything to sound good and just says what people want to hear, very eloquently - oh wow, he used fancy action verbs lets all bow down before him.
The truth is, it was nazi soldiers that committed the massacre of unarmed, surrendering Americans at Malmedy, not the other way around. Even that factual error could possibly be forgiven... once. However that it was the second time he made the same mistake. He said exactly the same thing during a previous interview with Clark, six months earlier. :shocked:And in Malmedy, as you know, U.S. forces captured S.S. forces, who had their hands in the air. And they were unarmed. And they shot them down. You know that. That's on the record. Been documented.
This has everything to do with your disconnect from reality. You should go home and practice posting until you find your way back. :laugh:He should go back to Sports Center.
This has nothing to do with this particular post, but my disgust with him in general.
Originally posted by: LEDominator
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: LEDominator
Because CBS is known for its integrity in reporting :disgust:
It is funny to me how he compares the two situations when Churchill was a die hard conservative. I see his point, but I think we are bound for a world war III with Islamofacists. And it doesn't mater whether you like GWB or not.
I see they infected you with The Fear.
Oh no I am not affraid at all. It is just the truth, CBS has been busted pretty recently for inaccurate reporting.
Originally posted by: johnnobts
so if you believe that we are involved in a global war you are infected wtih fear?
-terrorists blow up embassies
-terrorists attempt to blow up trade center
-terrorists blow up cole
-terrorists blow up 2 towers, attempt to blow up white house
-terrorists commit bombing in mumbai
-terrorists commit raid into Israel, kill and kidnap soldiers
-terrorists commit bombing in london
-terrorists attempt to blow up 10-12 transatlantic planes
you're right, we're just a bunch of fear-mongerers. if we just forget about this stuff, and these militant islamists who have declared jihad on the West, they'll just disappear, and we can all hold hands again and play in the cotton candy forest and drink out of the chocolate river...
its called reality. we've been infected with a HEALTHY dose of reality.
by the way, comparing Rumsfeld to Hitler really is beyond the pail.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
What they are telling you is to STOP BEING A COWARD. Terrorism will happen, no matter what you do "they" will have some success, eventually. What we should not do is surrender and change our lifestyles, our notions of the role of governemnt, or our rights as citizens, because a few people are overwhelmed by an incredibly irrational fear.
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: LEDominator
He cited CBS is the relevancy. Obviously Iraq isn't very secular btw if people have alegiances to clerics and whatnot. Not that it matters, but Saddam Husseins regime also has ties to the Nazis in world war II. The History channel had a thing on it a while back. I also would note that I never mentioned Iraq, all I am saying is at some time or another the West is going to have a big confrontation with Islam.
What allegiances to clerics are you talking about? How could Saddam Hussein's regime have had ties to the Nazis when he was 8 when the war ended? He didn't take office until almost 35 years later.
Originally posted by: daveymark
well, how about that. Olbermann is right for once in his pathetic life.
Just goes to show you, even a sack of sh!t can be right once
Too bad this will be forgotten when Olbie's next blunder overshadows any good that may come of this.
Something tells me that little diatribe wasn't the result of Olbie's thoughts alone - then again, you'd have to be pretty dense to have not already known what Olbie stated...
Originally posted by: johnnobts
so if you believe that we are involved in a global war you are infected wtih fear?
-terrorists blow up embassies
-terrorists attempt to blow up trade center
-terrorists blow up cole
-terrorists blow up 2 towers, attempt to blow up white house
-terrorists commit bombing in mumbai
-terrorists commit raid into Israel, kill and kidnap soldiers
-terrorists commit bombing in london
-terrorists attempt to blow up 10-12 transatlantic planes
you're right, we're just a bunch of fear-mongerers. if we just forget about this stuff, and these militant islamists who have declared jihad on the West, they'll just disappear, and we can all hold hands again and play in the cotton candy forest and drink out of the chocolate river...
its called reality. we've been infected with a HEALTHY dose of reality.
by the way, comparing Rumsfeld to Hitler really is beyond the pail.
Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: daveymark
well, how about that. Olbermann is right for once in his pathetic life.
Just goes to show you, even a sack of sh!t can be right once
Too bad this will be forgotten when Olbie's next blunder overshadows any good that may come of this.
Something tells me that little diatribe wasn't the result of Olbie's thoughts alone - then again, you'd have to be pretty dense to have not already known what Olbie stated...
Err..what? What kind of rant is that?
Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: daveymark
well, how about that. Olbermann is right for once in his pathetic life.
Just goes to show you, even a sack of sh!t can be right once
Too bad this will be forgotten when Olbie's next blunder overshadows any good that may come of this.
Something tells me that little diatribe wasn't the result of Olbie's thoughts alone - then again, you'd have to be pretty dense to have not already known what Olbie stated...
Err..what? What kind of rant is that?
Originally posted by: LEDominator
Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: LEDominator
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: LEDominator
He cited CBS is the relevancy. Obviously Iraq isn't very secular btw if people have alegiances to clerics and whatnot. Not that it matters, but Saddam Husseins regime also has ties to the Nazis in world war II. The History channel had a thing on it a while back. I also would note that I never mentioned Iraq, all I am saying is at some time or another the West is going to have a big confrontation with Islam.
What allegiances to clerics are you talking about? How could Saddam Hussein's regime have had ties to the Nazis when he was 8 when the war ended? He didn't take office until almost 35 years later.
Sadr, etc. Those clerics I didn't mean that he was alive then, but the Baath party, which Saddam was a part of, traces its roots to the second world war and Germany's support of the arabs in order to offset Britains control of the region. A lot of the Arab leaders had pretty close ties to the germans, including the Mufti of Jerusalem who went to Iraq. It is way too complicated to sum up in a short little forum post but if you are interested I would check the listings for the history channel to see for yourself.
Wow, this is really the saddest attempt to justify the invasion of Iraq I've ever seen... portraying Iraq as the "bad guys" by linking them to the Nazi's. I guess we should destroy or disband every nation, group, or company that ever associated with the Nazi's... including Ameriacn ones, right?
Again, I never brought up Iraq, that was another poster. But of course if you could read you'd know that.
Originally posted by: LEDominator
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Please try to find a sources a little bit more credible and less sensationalistic than the history channel. Thanks.
Post, Jerrold M., and Amatzia Baram. Saddam Is Iraq: Iraq Is Saddam. Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala.: Air Univ. Press, 2002.
Eppel, Michael. Iraq from Monarchy to Tyranny: From the Hashemites to the Rise of Saddam. Gainesville: U. Pr. of Florida, 2004.
Saddam Husayn and civil-military relations in Iraq: the quest for legitimacy and power. Ahmed Hashim. The Middle East Journal 57.1 (Wntr 2003): p9.
Those should get you started
Originally posted by: bobdelt
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: LEDominator
He cited CBS is the relevancy. Obviously Iraq isn't very secular btw if people have alegiances to clerics and whatnot. Not that it matters, but Saddam Husseins regime also has ties to the Nazis in world war II. The History channel had a thing on it a while back. I also would note that I never mentioned Iraq, all I am saying is at some time or another the West is going to have a big confrontation with Islam.
What allegiances to clerics are you talking about? How could Saddam Hussein's regime have had ties to the Nazis when he was 8 when the war ended? He didn't take office until almost 35 years later.
The Bath party started during that time period and had nazi ties. The bath party studied hitlers actions in france, and then took his tactics back to the middle east.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: bobdelt
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: LEDominator
He cited CBS is the relevancy. Obviously Iraq isn't very secular btw if people have alegiances to clerics and whatnot. Not that it matters, but Saddam Husseins regime also has ties to the Nazis in world war II. The History channel had a thing on it a while back. I also would note that I never mentioned Iraq, all I am saying is at some time or another the West is going to have a big confrontation with Islam.
What allegiances to clerics are you talking about? How could Saddam Hussein's regime have had ties to the Nazis when he was 8 when the war ended? He didn't take office until almost 35 years later.
The Bath party started during that time period and had nazi ties. The bath party studied hitlers actions in france, and then took his tactics back to the middle east.
I've studying hitlers actions in france too. I guess that makes me a fascist and a nazi.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: LEDominator
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Please try to find a sources a little bit more credible and less sensationalistic than the history channel. Thanks.
Post, Jerrold M., and Amatzia Baram. Saddam Is Iraq: Iraq Is Saddam. Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala.: Air Univ. Press, 2002.
Eppel, Michael. Iraq from Monarchy to Tyranny: From the Hashemites to the Rise of Saddam. Gainesville: U. Pr. of Florida, 2004.
Saddam Husayn and civil-military relations in Iraq: the quest for legitimacy and power. Ahmed Hashim. The Middle East Journal 57.1 (Wntr 2003): p9.
Those should get you started
Seeing as I seem to be guiding you though this process, you now get parts from those that confirm your statements.