Old 433 Celeron Socket 370 HEATSINK work with Pentium 1000

[Zenara25]

I'm planning to upgrade the cpu in this old Gateway essential 433 computer with the i810e chipset.

Will my old Celeron 433mhz socket 370 66mhz bus intel HEATSINK work with a Pentium 3 1000mhz socket 370 cpu?

Are all intel socket 370 heatsinks the same?

I plan to buy the 'cpu only' if the old heatsink is compatible. I have plenty of arctic thermal paste.

What about a fan. Is this needed?

 

[SonicIce]

I'm not sure because the 433 celeron is a pentium-2 based cpu in the PPGA package. A pentium 3 1000 is FC-PGA. I can't even find any info that says i810e even supports a 433 celeron lol . But i do happen to have a computer with a 466mhz socket370 celeron and a computer with a 933mhz socket370 pentium3 and just by examining them it looks like the heatsinks would be interhcnageable.

Also the P3 might not even work in that socket. Are you sure? Does gateway have a compatibility chart?
CPU World 370 info

you might be able to get by without a fan depending on how hot it gets in your room/case and how big the heatsink is.

 

[VirtualLarry]

All socket 370 heatsinks should be mechanically compatible, to my knowledge. How well they work with the faster, warmer chips is debatable.

 

[Andrew1990]

Those old Pentium 3s put out about 30w of heat. It might work, but can you get a pic of the sink?

 

[dennilfloss]

My first computer, back in 99, was a Celeron 433 on an Aopen AX6BC (chosen after reading the stellar rating in an AnandTech mobo review).

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=663

 

[Zenara25]

Actually I was wrong about my chipset. It's really only the 810. Everest said it was an 810e. CPU-Z said it is the 810. So I decided to look at the chip myself and it's the 810 The memory controller hub is FW82810DC100. http://www.intel.com/support/c...s/inf/sb/CS-009269.htm

So I believe that means the best cpu I can use is one with a 100mhz bus. http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/mature/index.htm

I seem to recall that I can still put in a 133mhz bus cpu but it will only run at 100mhz.

Does anyone know if this will work?

I'm looking at a 933mhz Pentium 3 with a 133mhz bus, comes with heatsink and fan.
Or a 650mhz Pentium 3 with a 100mhz bus (no heatsink/fan, hopefully use my original celeron heatsink?).

Hopefully I'll get time to take a picture of the heatsink and post a link later.

 

[SonicIce]

Did you check the Gateway site for your particular machine? It might have a list of supported processors so you'll know right off the bat what will work. Also get the latest bios and check all the release notes for all previous versions because sometimes they add new cpu support but never update the main list.

I believe a 133mhz fsb cpu will be able to drop down to 100mhz but do not quote me on that.
The 933mhz P3 is 133*7. It will turn out to be 700 mhz if it used 100mhz fsb (100*7).

List of P3 CPU's

 

[Zenara25]

Yes I updated to the latest bios. And the release notes say nothing about cpu compatibilty. And can't find anything on the gateway site about cpu's working with this motherboard. Here's the link just in case. http://support.gateway.com/sup...docs.asp?sn=0018789927

My motherboard is the Intel 433 Celeron (Bryant) motherboard R2. Others listed on the gateway site as having the same motherboard but different cpu's (only found by compatibility with the same bios) are: Intel 933 P3, Intel 800 P3, and the Intel 667 P3.

Will the 650 P3 100mhz work?

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Your chipset is actually the 810L, which limits you to the slower hard drives (ATA-33).

I looked at the link on the website, and I found the motherboard support here.

The mobo takes Socket 370 Pentium IIIs, up to 100Mhz FSB. You could put a 1GHz PIII (Coppermine) in the machine, for example (those run on a 100Mhz FSB. You will need a fan to go with the heatsink.

This CPU retails for $30 on PacificGeek.com, for example.

Also how much RAM do you have? The specs say your board can take up to 512MB (2 slots at 256 MB each), so if you are at 256 or less, it would be a good idea to upgrade that too. On the same site, one 256 MB stick sells for about $20.

 

[illvm]

As others have already mentioned the heatsinks should be interchangeable and I would definitely recommend a fan as well. I'm not too sure about Coppermines at 133MHz will clock down to 100MHz. I think it should work, but not 100% sure.

 

[Zenara25]

Yes the gateway link says it's an i810L. But the actual chipset by looking at it is the i810 based on intels spec sheet. It shows that the memory controller hub labeled fw8210dc100 is really an i810 not the i810L. Who is right?

When I get home I'll run a program to find out what the hard drive ata speed is.

I have 256mb ram.

This is just a computer to have fun with upgrading it. It's not my main computer. I have a dual boot 98se and Xubuntu with lxde on it. Runs pretty fast for word processing and surfing the web.

 

[SonicIce]

also try the intel chipset identifier utility

 

[Zenara25]

I'll download an old version of the intel chipset utility that works with 98se when I get home later.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: Zenara25
Yes the gateway link says it's an i810L. But the actual chipset by looking at it is the i810 based on intels spec sheet. It shows that the memory controller hub labeled fw8210dc100 is really an i810 not the i810L. Who is right?

When I get home I'll run a program to find out what the hard drive ata speed is.

I have 256mb ram.

This is just a computer to have fun with upgrading it. It's not my main computer. I have a dual boot 98se and Xubuntu with lxde on it. Runs pretty fast for word processing and surfing the web.

Haha, no problem. I wasn't sure what OS and software you were running on this machine.

 

[Zenara25]

This shows the 3 versions of the i810. I have the best out of them. i810-dc100. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/whitney,105-5.html

Intel Chipset Identification Utility says I have an 810 chipset with a 82810-dc100 memory controller hub. So the hard drive in this chipset is actually capable of ata-66. In SIW it showed under hard drive current ata 33 max 66. So I swapped out the old hard drive cable for a new one and now the ata current mode is 66

I have an A3 stepping SL3P6 which means I can use a P2 or P3 based on this chipset. http://www.intel.com/support/g...el810/sb/cs-004047.htm

Strange that gateway product specs says it's an i810L. Mistake or just upgraded for free? I know Dell has been known to do that before (with my aunts computer).

 

[Zenara25]

Photos of the Socket 370 Celeron 433 heatsink. Will this heatsink work with a P3 socket 370 cpu? Can I put a fan on top of this kind of heatsink?http://picasaweb.google.com/de...=Gv1sRgCOTjgYfkluPBYg#

 

[jjmIII]

You will need a fan....get a new cheap HSF.

 

[Lark888]

I have a few socket 370 heatsinka w/fan and I would gladly sent one to you. I appreciate someone keeping old hardware running and used. I still run a Pentium 233MMx for a simple theatre sound system. It works exceptionally well for that purpose and only needs a 100w Power Supply. PM me if you would like a CPU cooler.

 

[Zenara25]

Thanks Lark888. But I already bought one on ebay. I tried looking here but couldn't find any

 

[robmurphy]

I would be very careful with this. I have an old 433 Meg Celeron in an HP brio, which also uses the i810 chipset. The motherboard does not work with Coppermine CPUs, I tried a coppermine CPU and it just toasted it. The only CPUS that are likely to work are PPGA ones. Coppermine are FC-PGA, use a lower core voltage, and the bus signaling is different.

The motherboard was made by Asus and is an MEW AML or MEW AM.

The later versions of the motherboard did support the coppermine CPUs with an FSB of upto 100 Meg. What usualy happend is that the first boards produced (often used with the lower end Celeron CPUs) were before the specifications for the Coppermine CPU were out. This meant they did not have the correct voltage ect for the coppermine CPUs. A BIOS update will not enable the motherboard to support the Coppermine CPUs. Later on the boards were revised and support for the coppermine was added.

If you have one of the earlier ones it will toast Coppermine S370 CPUs. If you have a later motherboard it may be ok with coppermine.

Have a look at the following link for some more info.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/...bles,review-174-3.html

Rob.

 

[Zenara25]

As I posted before, I have an A3 stepping SL3P6 chipset which means I can use a P2 or P3 based on this chipset. http://www.intel.com/support/g...el810/sb/cs-004047.htm

Sounds strange to me but the watts also appear to be lower with the P3 650mhz 100fsb (17 watts)versus the celeron 433mhz 100fsb (24 watts).

Maybe I didn't even need to buy a heatsink/fan for the P3 and should of just used my celeron heatsink since the watts are actually lower?

I thought I might need to worry about the power supply too. But hopefully not if this is right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...um_III_microprocessors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...docino.22_.28250_nm.29

 

[Arkaign]

P3 650 = Coppermine = .18mu = lower volts.
Celeron 433 = Mendocino = .25mu = higher volts.

If your mobo doesn't know what Coppermine P3 is, and can do the lower voltage, it may well cook it.

And P3 Socket370 take some pretty decent cooling, as they didn't have an IHS, so all the heat is coming off of the relatively small die area. You need something that rapidly dissipates heat. Remember, they recalled the P3 1.13ghz coppermine, as it was unstable even at stock speeds with stock cooling/volts. 1ghz is pretty close to 1.13

 

[Zenara25]

Thought I'd update that I upgraded to a P3 650 with 100 fsb and it works. I bought a heatsink/fan on ebay. Applied some arctic silver

 

[dennilfloss]

Cool.