*OLD*Official Bioshock Thread

[Canai]

That securom crap is such bullshit. I think I'll be taking my copy back to circuit city today to get another key just in case securom decided to not let me reinstall after I reformat in a few weeks.

I'm eagerly awaiting some sort of crack to get past it. It's such bullshit when I actually buy a game (for once) and then get fucked over by the copy protection shit.

2k really, really dropped the ball on this one. If I had known about the securom hardware binding and the rootkits I wouldn't have bought a physical copy of the game. Steam users have no hardware binding, x360 users same thing. Way to alienate the non-steam PC market, 2k :roll:

 

[Fraggable]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Exactly, I couldn't agree more. Who cares if the game look perfect and you see exactly on widescreen what you would on a 4:3 screen, if you have fun playing the GAME, what difference does it make?

The textures are really taking away from the game experience? Give me a break. :roll:

Here comes the inevitable person or two who's so obtuse he expects everyone else to precisely share his own expectations about what matters and what doesn't. It matters to me, a lot, otherwise I wouldn't be talking about it. As games get better and better the graphics do as well, and just as its tough to get myself into HL1 because the now-crappy graphics just don't suck me in, so it is the case with this game as well. It's an odd mishmash of the good and the "oh wow that looks bad".

I guess to some people graphics and features are more important than the gameplay, which I don't understand. Like I said before, I played the game for hours yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it. The 'zoomed view' and 'chopped WS res' didn't detract from the experience for me.

Don't get me wrong, 2XAA would really help with some lines and V-Sync is pretty much required or you'll have horrible tearing, and the textures aren't the highest quality ever made, but the gmae is so entrataining and has so much play time that I won't argue with the 95% ratings it's gotten. I'm starved for a really fun game.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Canai
That securom crap is such bullshit. I think I'll be taking my copy back to circuit city today to get another key just in case securom decided to not let me reinstall after I reformat in a few weeks.

I'm eagerly awaiting some sort of crack to get past it. It's such bullshit when I actually buy a game (for once) and then get fucked over by the copy protection shit.

2k really, really dropped the ball on this one. If I had known about the securom hardware binding and the rootkits I wouldn't have bought a physical copy of the game. Steam users have no hardware binding, x360 users same thing. Way to alienate the non-steam PC market, 2k :roll:

I'm just going to wait for a crack and crack the binary. I bought the game and I hate the idea that a console gamer has more freedom to resell it than I do or to let a friend borrow the game. Yes, I realize there are differences in installing a game and simply running it on a console, but when you can't even resell the game .

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: 40Hands

Originally posted by: ayabe
Really excessive crying in this thread. SS2 didn't break new ground graphically either, the game looks great and plays great AND will run on mid range hardware.

Welcome to the next generation of gamers who would buy a game that just displays a pile of dog sh!t as long as it's at 1600x1200 with AA.

The textures are really taking away from the game experience? Give me a break. :roll:

"Next generation of gamers?" I played the original Zork and loved it...

No point in debating. Simple fact is, some people can enjoy a game with a great storyline but lackluster graphics, while others can't. Things have evolved, and I've seen what developers can produce. I'm not going to step backwards...

 

[Canai]

I really like this game, but the whole securom thing is really a deal-breaker for me. If I could, I'd return the game and go buy a bottle of nice vodka instead. Less of a headache.

I know the mod mentioned no talk of torrents, but if I own a copy of Bioshock with a (for whatever reason) non-working CD key, does the EULA ( or whatever) allow me to download a copy of the game from wherever?

It's sad when I'm thinking of trying to pirate a game that I bought just to future-proof myself in the event of an HD crash or sudden reformat.

edit: I'm guessing no, but I'm just really worried that the game won't work after I reformat.

 

[JohnAn2112]

Originally posted by: jlarsson

Originally posted by: JohnAn2112

Originally posted by: flenn

dont know, mine works great vista 64 ultimate

swtethan,

Can you take a quick peek in Device Manager and compare to mine:

Realtek High Definition Audio
Driver Date 8/10/2007
Driver 6.0.1.5464

Thank in advance.

That's what my Device Manager shows and I'm not getting audio either on Vista x86. This is on an Asus P5K (P35 chipset) board, too.

I had audio problems as well. The first scene on the plane was fine, but as soon as it cuts to you being in the water, I had no sound whatsoever.

I tried loaded up the latest drivers from Asus, and re-installing DirectX 10.

What finally worked for me is running it in Windows XP SP2 mode. (Right click on executable within your install directory, hit the Compatibility tab, then select "Windows XP SP2" mode).

Edit: This is with the full version of the game, not the demo.

Yeah, I got it working in DX9 mode in XP SP2 compatibility mode. Sucks that I have to use DX9 when I have an 8800GTS in my machine. I hope they patch the audio soon so I can go back to using DX10 mode.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Fraggable

Originally posted by: Frackal

Exactly, I couldn't agree more. Who cares if the game look perfect and you see exactly on widescreen what you would on a 4:3 screen, if you have fun playing the GAME, what difference does it make?

The textures are really taking away from the game experience? Give me a break. :roll:

Here comes the inevitable person or two who's so obtuse he expects everyone else to precisely share his own expectations about what matters and what doesn't. It matters to me, a lot, otherwise I wouldn't be talking about it. As games get better and better the graphics do as well, and just as its tough to get myself into HL1 because the now-crappy graphics just don't suck me in, so it is the case with this game as well. It's an odd mishmash of the good and the "oh wow that looks bad".

I guess to some people graphics and features are more important than the gameplay, which I don't understand. Like I said before, I played the game for hours yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it. The 'zoomed view' and 'chopped WS res' didn't detract from the experience for me.

Don't get me wrong, 2XAA would really help with some lines and V-Sync is pretty much required or you'll have horrible tearing, and the textures aren't the highest quality ever made, but the gmae is so entrataining and has so much play time that I won't argue with the 95% ratings it's gotten. I'm starved for a really fun game.

I am too.

But a very important part of what's going to make Bioshock good or not is how immersive the world they created is. When over half of not just textures but models (desks, sinks, floors, walls etc) look like they belong in a 2002 game it messes up the experience.

Frankly the game looks like it was either slapped together or cut down dramatically, and done so in a really sloppy way regardless (that frankly seems characteristic of a few games as of late.) No matter how much water is poured over it.


The bathrooms look like HL1 or worse for crying out loud, and after you're done thinking WTF you go out and there are a couple high-res objects here or there interspersed with more 2000-2002 level stuff.

It looks shitty, and makes the game hard to get into. After playing it at lower resolutions it seems tougher to notice the crappier parts which suggests another console fiasco, but to me it sounds like laziness, they couldn't be bothered with consistency in quality throughout.

NO GOOD or GREAT GAME has a large degree of inconsistency in quality.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: Canai
I really like this game, but the whole securom thing is really a deal-breaker for me. If I could, I'd return the game and go buy a bottle of nice vodka instead. Less of a headache.

I know the mod mentioned no talk of torrents, but if I own a copy of Bioshock with a (for whatever reason) non-working CD key, does the EULA ( or whatever) allow me to download a copy of the game from wherever?

It's sad when I'm thinking of trying to pirate a game that I bought just to future-proof myself in the event of an HD crash or sudden reformat.

edit: I'm guessing no, but I'm just really worried that the game won't work after I reformat.

A lot of people do this but I am not sure if its legal or not. I believe plenty of people did this with Windows xp when it first came out but not sure how many.

 

[Canai]

I guess I'm one of the people that plays the game for the game, not for the eye candy.

Good god, can't you just play the game without having to analyze every single little detail?

Sorry, but I mean, come on. OH NO! THE GAME DOESN'T HAVE THE LATEST AND GREATEST GRAPHICS!!! WHAT A SHITTY GAME! :roll:

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: Canai
I guess I'm one of the people that plays the game for the game, not for the eye candy.

Good god, can't you just play the game without having to analyze every single little detail?

Sorry, but I mean, come on. OH NO! THE GAME DOESN'T HAVE THE LATEST AND GREATEST GRAPHICS!!! WHAT A SHITTY GAME! :roll:

:thumbsup:

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: pcslookout

Originally posted by: Canai
I really like this game, but the whole securom thing is really a deal-breaker for me. If I could, I'd return the game and go buy a bottle of nice vodka instead. Less of a headache.

I know the mod mentioned no talk of torrents, but if I own a copy of Bioshock with a (for whatever reason) non-working CD key, does the EULA ( or whatever) allow me to download a copy of the game from wherever?

It's sad when I'm thinking of trying to pirate a game that I bought just to future-proof myself in the event of an HD crash or sudden reformat.

edit: I'm guessing no, but I'm just really worried that the game won't work after I reformat.

A lot of people do this but I am not sure if its legal or not. I believe plenty of people did this with Windows xp when it first came out but not sure how many.

Yeah I had an OEM version of XP that had a CD key that fell into the first range of blacklisting, so I had to pirate it haha.

And now I have to call M$ every goddamn month because of that retarded genuine advantage adviser or whateverthefuck it's called.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Fraggable

Originally posted by: Frackal

Exactly, I couldn't agree more. Who cares if the game look perfect and you see exactly on widescreen what you would on a 4:3 screen, if you have fun playing the GAME, what difference does it make?

The textures are really taking away from the game experience? Give me a break. :roll:

Here comes the inevitable person or two who's so obtuse he expects everyone else to precisely share his own expectations about what matters and what doesn't. It matters to me, a lot, otherwise I wouldn't be talking about it. As games get better and better the graphics do as well, and just as its tough to get myself into HL1 because the now-crappy graphics just don't suck me in, so it is the case with this game as well. It's an odd mishmash of the good and the "oh wow that looks bad".

I guess to some people graphics and features are more important than the gameplay, which I don't understand. Like I said before, I played the game for hours yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it. The 'zoomed view' and 'chopped WS res' didn't detract from the experience for me.

Don't get me wrong, 2XAA would really help with some lines and V-Sync is pretty much required or you'll have horrible tearing, and the textures aren't the highest quality ever made, but the gmae is so entrataining and has so much play time that I won't argue with the 95% ratings it's gotten. I'm starved for a really fun game.

I am too.

But a very important part of what's going to make Bioshock good or not is how immersive the world they created is. When over half of not just textures, but models (desks, sinks, floors, walls etc) look like they belong in a 2002 game it messes up the experience.

Frankly the game looks like it was either slapped together or cut down dramatically, and done so in a really sloppy way regardless (that frankly seems characteristic of a few games as of late.) No matter how much water is poured over it.


The bathrooms look like HL1 or worse for crying out loud, and after you're done thinking WTF you go out and there are a couple high-res objects here or there interspersed with more 2000-2002 level stuff.

It looks shitty, and makes the game hard to get into. After playing it at lower resolutions it seems tougher to notice the crappier parts which suggests another console fiasco, but to me it sounds like laziness, they couldn't be bothered with consistency in quality throughout.

NO GOOD or GREAT GAME has a large degree of inconsistency in quality.

This game was built around the 360... from the graphics to the easy difficulty (instant respawns, basically no penalty for dying). It sounds like they threw in some high res textures for the PC, but left a lot of it the same as the 360. Oh well, 2 days and eBay?

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: pcslookout
I bet you all in the UK, that had to delayed a few days to be released, are not happy. This way you all were able to find out about all these problems before buying it so you could make a decision on if you wanted to play the game with all the problems it has. I bet a lot of people won't buy the game and will just wait till its $30 or less on steam like Half life 2.

Exactly, it's a blessing and a curse.

I'll probably wait until it hits $30 or less on Steam. I may try the demo again to see if I missed anything - if I can get the FOV fix on the WSG forum to work.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Just FYI, it seems some people are having sound problems with Vista/DX10. Switching to XP/SP2 compatibility mode seems to fix it.

 

[jdoggg12]

I want to see your source that it's built for the 360 and is a PC port.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: pcslookout

Originally posted by: Canai
I guess I'm one of the people that plays the game for the game, not for the eye candy.

Good god, can't you just play the game without having to analyze every single little detail?

Sorry, but I mean, come on. OH NO! THE GAME DOESN'T HAVE THE LATEST AND GREATEST GRAPHICS!!! WHAT A SHITTY GAME! :roll:

:thumbsup:

amen.

and i definitely wouldnt say it looks shitty either like some seem to imply.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Does anyone know if you can switch the damage indicator off for enemies? I have no idea why that's in there.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Canai
I guess I'm one of the people that plays the game for the game, not for the eye candy.

Good god, can't you just play the game without having to analyze every single little detail?

Sorry, but I mean, come on. OH NO! THE GAME DOESN'T HAVE THE LATEST AND GREATEST GRAPHICS!!! WHAT A SHITTY GAME! :roll:

The game for the game? What does that mean? What the game looks like is part of the game. Nothing you've blown a fuse about here hasn't already been mentioned. I would recommend stop getting upset about what other people find important. Your particular tastes are not universal, get it?

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Canai
I guess I'm one of the people that plays the game for the game, not for the eye candy.

Good god, can't you just play the game without having to analyze every single little detail?

Sorry, but I mean, come on. OH NO! THE GAME DOESN'T HAVE THE LATEST AND GREATEST GRAPHICS!!! WHAT A SHITTY GAME! :roll:

The game for the game? What does that mean? What the game looks like is part of the game. Nothing you've blown a fuse about here hasn't already been mentioned. I would recommend stop getting upset about what other people find important. Your particular tastes are not universal, get it?

But a very important part of what's going to make Bioshock good or not is how immersive the world they created is. When over half of not just textures but models (desks, sinks, floors, walls etc) look like they belong in a 2002 game it messes up the experience.

Frankly the game looks like it was either slapped together or cut down dramatically, and done so in a really sloppy way regardless (that frankly seems characteristic of a few games as of late.) No matter how much water is poured over it.


The bathrooms look like HL1 or worse for crying out loud, and after you're done thinking WTF you go out and there are a couple high-res objects here or there interspersed with more 2000-2002 level stuff.

It looks shitty, and makes the game hard to get into. After playing it at lower resolutions it seems tougher to notice the crappier parts which suggests another console fiasco, but to me it sounds like laziness, they couldn't be bothered with consistency in quality throughout.

NO GOOD or GREAT GAME has a large degree of inconsistency in quality.

Your particular tastes are not universal, either. It is a good game. A great game even. Why don't you go play some oblivion to get your graphics fix, and them come back to Bioshock when you want a deeply immersive, creepy, and downright twisted world?

I'm definitely an eye candy whore, but I've failed to see all these inconsistencies that have been mentioned. Maybe I'm just too tired or too sick of work, but wake up and smell the gameplay.

And just because the graphics aren't amazing (which I think is debatable) I fail to see an inconsistency in quality throughout the game.

And by "game for the game" I mean for the gameplay. I don't play games to look at pretty pictures, I play games for the gameplay.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
I want to see your source that it's built for the 360 and is a PC port.

Proof is on your pc.
go to :
C:\Program Files\2K Games\BioShock\Builds\Release

Open up default.ini

notice the lines:

;;========================================================================
;; XBox360 file caching hints
;;
;; Cache hint values must follow these two rules:
;;
;; 1) A file extension description of the following form: "*.ext", where ext is the name of a file extension.
;; 2) A directory description of the following form: "game:\dir\subdir\", where dir and subdir are directory names.
;; The string must have a drive name, and must end in a back slash.
;; Files contained in the directory (and in all sub-directories) are passed to the caching system.
;;========================================================================

A version made for the pc wouldn't have these lines.

; XenonRoot is the directory underneath XE:\ that contains the executable and the root of the game content.
XenonRoot=Bioshock
XenonTargetDir=XE:\bioshock
XenonEXEName=Bioshock_Xenon.xex

Xenon refers to the 360.

Its a console port, just like every other game released for the 360 and then a "game for windows"

Havok]
; HavokNumThreads: Number of threads the physics should use for performing simulation updates.
; Note: If there are fewer logical processors present than this number, then this value will be clamped to the number of processors.
; Note: Ignored on XBox360.
HavokNumThreads=2

 

[pcslookout]

Canai yep, if we really had problems playing games with horrible graphics none of us would of owned a SNES back in the day. I remember a game called S.O.S. for SNES and it may not have had great graphics but it had great gameplay. The gamplay is far worth more than any graphics! Gameplay is like air you need to to be able to enjoy a game.

 

[Polish3d]

Your particular tastes are not universal, either. It is a good game. A great game even. Why don't you go play some oblivion to get your graphics fix, and them come back to Bioshock when you want a deeply immersive, creepy, and downright twisted world?

I'm definitely an eye candy whore, but I've failed to see all these inconsistencies that have been mentioned. Maybe I'm just too tired or too sick of work, but wake up and smell the gameplay.

And just because the graphics aren't amazing (which I think is debatable) I fail to see an inconsistency in quality throughout the game.

And by "game for the game" I mean for the gameplay. I don't play games to look at pretty pictures, I play games for the gameplay.

From playing it, (IMO), it's a game with a great premise and enjoyable gameplay, with graphics that make it difficult to enjoy at a level that HL2 or Far Cry et al have been, because of the poorer appearance, particularly at higher resolutions or widescreen.

There is no reason for you to be so concerned with what I think of the game. My impression is as I've described, and it's not going to change because I've read a post or two that you've written here.

 

[Canai]

I guess my main point is that the graphics look on par, or better, than the source engine, which is great. On top of that, it runs very well on midrange hardware. It's just that I find it sad that people will not play through a good game simply because it's not pretty enough.

It's been quite the morning, so sorry if I came down a bit hard. I'm just worried that I'll be on the lookout for crappy items/textures and not fully enjoy the rest of the game

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: pcslookout
Canai yep, if we really had problems playing games with horrible graphics none of us would of owned a SNES back in the day. I remember a game called S.O.S. for SNES and it may not have had great graphics but it had great gameplay. The gamplay is far worth more than any graphics! Gameplay is like air you need to to be able to enjoy a game.

Umm you do realize that the SNES was fairly high-powered graphic-wise back in the day, right? No one was running around saying, "Pfft, look at this super mario world without FSAA 16x! I CAN STILL SEE THE JAGGIES!" No. Horrible analogy.

People complain about the lack of hi-res textures because some people play in higher resolutions and need the better textures or else the game will look bland when textures are stretched. This isn't the case for the XBOX 360 where everything is rendered at 720p and resized accordingly by the hardware scaler.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Canai
I guess my main point is that the graphics look on par, or better, than the source engine, which is great. On top of that, it runs very well on midrange hardware. It's just that I find it sad that people will not play through a good game simply because it's not pretty enough.

It's been quite the morning, so sorry if I came down a bit hard. I'm just worried that I'll be on the lookout for crappy items/textures and not fully enjoy the rest of the game

I understand that. I tried not to read early impressions of the demo before I bought the game because I wanted to come to my own conclusions and not have it ruined.