*OLD*Official Bioshock Thread

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: raystorm
I really don't even care that the pc demo is not out yet. I wouldn't even bother with it. I just have this feeling that its going to be a wonderful game all around, will run well on my pc and will be worth the money. On top of that you have the DX10 features, future mods to make the game even better...etc. It will be the best version and I will buy it the first day its out..totally unspoiled by a demo. I want to see it fresh on my screen when I open up that brand spanking new box.

same

 

[Ichigo]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Ichigo
Is it not sad that as consumers, we've come to accept this situation? We "need" to buy a $300 card to play at 720p, it's pathetic. And the "newest, hottest games" aren't all necessarily so demanding. CnC3, much as I hate the game itself, ran well at high resolutions with $100 cards, and it looked good. It certainly didn't diminish the atmosphere of the game, as playing Bioshock at 800x600 will. I've heard that STALKER runs well as well on modest hardware, though I have no personal experience. It'll be a great day when consumers can buy GPU's with CPU-like market competition.

We don't have to accept, or buy anything, Ichigo. This is a hobby, and as such the entire endeavor should be fun, not a forced march. No, not all new games push the envelope, but isn't it a safe bet that and least a few will? CnC3 came out at the same time as SupCom did, and even after having the shit tuned out of it, SupCom is a hog of the first order. That's just the way it is. You think that the GPU and CPU availability/pricing will at some point equalize? Maybe, but not for the near future. SKU for SKU, SOTA graphics cards are a fair sight more complex than mass-market CPU's.

You've got ultimate power over how this situation plays out for you. Use it.

As much power as a peasant in a dictatorship. You live by their rules or not at all. The people who can afford *and* don't mind spending that money don't care of course. Everyone else is poor or cheap. It's a great mindset that allows $1000 flagship cards to be perfectly normal.

Look, if my 8600GT (which I got for $100CAD) can run it at 1280x720 with medium settings, whatever "medium" turns out to be, I'll be content. If I have to run it at 800x600 like that other post suggested, obviously this game won't get my money, nor of those who own mainstream cards. Most will buy the console version, and we'll all complain about that for some reason.

To the poster above me, you have no idea how the game runs. The "word" is irrelevant without a PC demo.

 

[ayabe]

I'm on the fence as to whether to get the 360 or PC version. I'm slightly leaning towards the 360 since I am ready for a complete rebuild of my rig, but I don't want to buy 8800GTS/GTX when the second gen cards are right around the corner and thus far DX 10 performance has been utter crap with these cards.

 

[TehMac]

360 sucks, its dumbed down interface, dumbed down this, that, etc.
The 360 sucks balls, and if you get a 360 game, you need to be shot for plain dumbed down crowd mentality.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: TehMac
360 sucks, its dumbed down interface, dumbed down this, that, etc.
The 360 sucks balls, and if you get a 360 game, you need to be shot for plain dumbed down crowd mentality.

I think this is hands down the most retarded thing I have ever read. What a moron.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

I'd say get it on the 360 if you have one. I played the demo and it looks insane with no framerate issues. I know it won't play nearly as good on my PC. It is the best looking game I've ever played. I can't see it looking any better on a PC.

 

[TheVrolok]

I've been waiting for this game for some time.. too bad I don't plan on upgrading until December and won't be able to play it until then.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: TehMac
360 sucks, its dumbed down interface, dumbed down this, that, etc.
The 360 sucks balls, and if you get a 360 game, you need to be shot for plain dumbed down crowd mentality.

I think this is hands down the most retarded thing I have ever read. What a moron.

Ermm ermm, have fun with your halo 3. :roll: And your rcod, lol.

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
I'd say get it on the 360 if you have one. I played the demo and it looks insane with no framerate issues. I know it won't play nearly as good on my PC. It is the best looking game I've ever played. I can't see it looking any better on a PC.

Ermm, the two versions have different UIs, so no. Also, the game will probably run the game much better on a PC, simply because a retarded 2 year old system made for kiddies isn't running the game.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: TehMac
360 sucks, its dumbed down interface, dumbed down this, that, etc.
The 360 sucks balls, and if you get a 360 game, you need to be shot for plain dumbed down crowd mentality.

I think this is hands down the most retarded thing I have ever read. What a moron.

The thing is I used to feel almost that hostile until I bit the bullet because I HAD to play Gears of War and I haven't regretted my purchase. There are a lot of great games to be played on consoles and thus far every game that I've played that has been released on both platforms is BETTER on the 360.

R6 Vegas, GRAW2, ST: Legacy, Overlord.

I love PC games and will always play them, the best option is to have both available for times such as these and the position I find myself in.

Going to download the demo now.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
The devs have said that DX10 adds a little more complexity to the water effects and that's about it. Word is that DX10 performance (Vista), like all the other DX10 patched games out there, is utter garbage. XP+DX9.0c is the way to go.

I am SO sick of hearing this dumb shit.

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Also, the game will probably run the game much better on a PC, simply because a retarded 2 year old system made for kiddies isn't running the game.

Not necessarily; AFAIK the game was developed with the 360 in mind, and only then ported to PC. The game was developed by 2KBoston (formerly Irrational) and one of 2K's studios in Australia handled the PC port.

So if the port is sloppy then it could potentially run like crap on even top-of-the line hardware, like many other console ports these days: R6: Vegas; Splinter Cell: Double Agent; Lost Planet, Dirt, Halo 2 and many more.

This is what many of us here fear.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Ichigo

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Ichigo
Is it not sad that as consumers, we've come to accept this situation? We "need" to buy a $300 card to play at 720p, it's pathetic. And the "newest, hottest games" aren't all necessarily so demanding. CnC3, much as I hate the game itself, ran well at high resolutions with $100 cards, and it looked good. It certainly didn't diminish the atmosphere of the game, as playing Bioshock at 800x600 will. I've heard that STALKER runs well as well on modest hardware, though I have no personal experience. It'll be a great day when consumers can buy GPU's with CPU-like market competition.

We don't have to accept, or buy anything, Ichigo. This is a hobby, and as such the entire endeavor should be fun, not a forced march. No, not all new games push the envelope, but isn't it a safe bet that and least a few will? CnC3 came out at the same time as SupCom did, and even after having the shit tuned out of it, SupCom is a hog of the first order. That's just the way it is. You think that the GPU and CPU availability/pricing will at some point equalize? Maybe, but not for the near future. SKU for SKU, SOTA graphics cards are a fair sight more complex than mass-market CPU's.

You've got ultimate power over how this situation plays out for you. Use it.

As much power as a peasant in a dictatorship. You live by their rules or not at all. The people who can afford *and* don't mind spending that money don't care of course. Everyone else is poor or cheap. It's a great mindset that allows $1000 flagship cards to be perfectly normal.

Look, if my 8600GT (which I got for $100CAD) can run it at 1280x720 with medium settings, whatever "medium" turns out to be, I'll be content. If I have to run it at 800x600 like that other post suggested, obviously this game won't get my money, nor of those who own mainstream cards. Most will buy the console version, and we'll all complain about that for some reason.

The devs have gone out of their way to try to include as many folks as possible, Ichigo. If it turns out that you can't play BS at the resolution and detail level that you want what are you prepared to do? Don't take any of this the wrong way, but if your hardware can't supply you with the experience you want you aren't going to die, are you? It seems like you feel that your personal sense of equity should somehow hold sway. It won't. Not now or ever.

As for right now, let's both just wait and see. You might be pleasantly surprised.

To the poster above me, you have no idea how the game runs. The "word" is irrelevant without a PC demo.

Exactly.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
The devs have said that DX10 adds a little more complexity to the water effects and that's about it. Word is that DX10 performance (Vista), like all the other DX10 patched games out there, is utter garbage. XP+DX9.0c is the way to go.

I am SO sick of hearing this dumb shit.

:thumbsup:

 

[Ichigo]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Ichigo

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Ichigo
Is it not sad that as consumers, we've come to accept this situation? We "need" to buy a $300 card to play at 720p, it's pathetic. And the "newest, hottest games" aren't all necessarily so demanding. CnC3, much as I hate the game itself, ran well at high resolutions with $100 cards, and it looked good. It certainly didn't diminish the atmosphere of the game, as playing Bioshock at 800x600 will. I've heard that STALKER runs well as well on modest hardware, though I have no personal experience. It'll be a great day when consumers can buy GPU's with CPU-like market competition.

We don't have to accept, or buy anything, Ichigo. This is a hobby, and as such the entire endeavor should be fun, not a forced march. No, not all new games push the envelope, but isn't it a safe bet that and least a few will? CnC3 came out at the same time as SupCom did, and even after having the shit tuned out of it, SupCom is a hog of the first order. That's just the way it is. You think that the GPU and CPU availability/pricing will at some point equalize? Maybe, but not for the near future. SKU for SKU, SOTA graphics cards are a fair sight more complex than mass-market CPU's.

You've got ultimate power over how this situation plays out for you. Use it.

As much power as a peasant in a dictatorship. You live by their rules or not at all. The people who can afford *and* don't mind spending that money don't care of course. Everyone else is poor or cheap. It's a great mindset that allows $1000 flagship cards to be perfectly normal.

Look, if my 8600GT (which I got for $100CAD) can run it at 1280x720 with medium settings, whatever "medium" turns out to be, I'll be content. If I have to run it at 800x600 like that other post suggested, obviously this game won't get my money, nor of those who own mainstream cards. Most will buy the console version, and we'll all complain about that for some reason.

The devs have gone out of their way to try to include as many folks as possible, Ichigo. If it turns out that you can't play BS at the resolution and detail level that you want what are you prepared to do? Don't take any of this the wrong way, but if your hardware can't supply you with the experience you want you aren't going to die, are you? It seems like you feel that your personal sense of equity should somehow hold sway. It won't. Not now or ever.

As for right now, let's both just wait and see. You might be pleasantly surprised.

To the poster above me, you have no idea how the game runs. The "word" is irrelevant without a PC demo.

Exactly.

This entire argument stems from my first response to the allegation that one would need a 7800GTX to run 1024x768, which is ridiculous *if it is true*. If it is not, I'm well prepared to play on my PC. I am waiting for the demo. I'm just being skeptical.

 

[HardWarrior]

Skeptical??? Dude, if THIS is you being doubtful, I'd love to see you get REALLY cranked!

 

[HardWarrior]

Gamespot hands-on BioShock

I'm really hoping that there isn't as much fiddling with stuff as there was with System Shock.

 

[Ichigo]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Gamespot hands-on BioShock

I'm really hoping that there isn't as much fiddling with stuff as there was with System Shock.

That's weird. They said they played the 360 version but it's in the PC games section? Also, there's inaccuracies in the review itself, or at least contradictions to what I've witnessed in my own experience with the 360 demo. I have yet to see an enemy in the 360 demo wield plasmid powers nor have I found telekinesis for myself. The screenshot on the second page is flipped, I think; the left hand should handle plasmid powers. In addition, this game can't to them feel like it has System Shock 2's controls because they're playing the 360 version. The demo made me fight almost everyone, so there is no Deus Ex kind of freedom, as Gamespot may suggest. Finally, they're stretching the similarities to System Shock 2 a bit. Bioshock lacks System Shock 2's extensive inventory system, though I don't believe weapon/plasmid/gene tonic customizability will be compromised.

So to answer your question, at least for the 360 version, everything (the stuff, as you say) should be pretty streamlined, in my experience.

 

[Noema]

Originally posted by: Ichigo

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Gamespot hands-on BioShock

I'm really hoping that there isn't as much fiddling with stuff as there was with System Shock.

That's weird. They said they played the 360 version but it's in the PC games section?

AFAIK all the videos shown up until now are of the 360 version; Except for some interface shots, not a single pic or movie of the PC version has ever been released (I believe that was mentioned on a podcast; I could be wrong...that was about a month ago and things could have changed)

Gamespot always posts videos and photos of cross plataform games on all the plataform sections that games will be released on, regardless of what particular plataform the media was obtained from.


The page Hard Warrior linked is also in the 360 version of the game section.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Noema

So if the port is sloppy then it could potentially run like crap on even top-of-the line hardware, like many other console ports these days: R6: Vegas; Splinter Cell: Double Agent; Lost Planet, Dirt, Halo 2 and many more.

This is what many of us here fear.

With all due respect, if you'd read around the internet, and not just xbox 360 n00bs on ATPCG, you'd know that the game was ported from the 360, to the PC in mind. To this end, the PC version has it's own UI, which is what RPG/FPS PC fans want most from a port--the game also makes the best use of dual core, and optimizes brilliantly. This has been reported by sites such as PCG UK, which gave the game a 95%--and that's coming from PC Gamer UK, very stingy with its scores, it is.

 

[Ichigo]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Noema

So if the port is sloppy then it could potentially run like crap on even top-of-the line hardware, like many other console ports these days: R6: Vegas; Splinter Cell: Double Agent; Lost Planet, Dirt, Halo 2 and many more.

This is what many of us here fear.

With all due respect, if you'd read around the internet, and not just xbox 360 n00bs on ATPCG, you'd know that the game was ported from the 360, to the PC in mind. To this end, the PC version has it's own UI, which is what RPG/FPS PC fans want most from a port--the game also makes the best use of dual core, and optimizes brilliantly. This has been reported by sites such as PCG UK, which gave the game a 95%--and that's coming from PC Gamer UK, very stingy with its scores, it is.

With all due respect, wait for the demo. At least Noema has past, if circumstantial, evidence to support his theory. You're trusting the word of an overseas magazine, credible as they may be. Your guess is no better than his, so stop being so arrogant. There's also no need to take a potshot at 360 owners; that's just juvenile.

 

[CaptainJackSwallows]

Originally posted by: Noema

Originally posted by: TehMac

Also, the game will probably run the game much better on a PC, simply because a retarded 2 year old system made for kiddies isn't running the game.

Not necessarily; AFAIK the game was developed with the 360 in mind, and only then ported to PC. The game was developed by 2KBoston (formerly Irrational) and one of 2K's studios in Australia handled the PC port.

So if the port is sloppy then it could potentially run like crap on even top-of-the line hardware, like many other console ports these days: R6: Vegas; Splinter Cell: Double Agent; Lost Planet, Dirt, Halo 2 and many more.

This is what many of us here fear.

vegas and dirt are pretty good ports tbh. i get 60+ average maxed at 1680x1050. Lost planet though, i get 70 average but thats on 1280x720 on the dx10 demo. cant say about sc and halo2 though, dont have those.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
The devs have said that DX10 adds a little more complexity to the water effects and that's about it. Word is that DX10 performance (Vista), like all the other DX10 patched games out there, is utter garbage. XP+DX9.0c is the way to go.

What a surprise ! :roll: Though I do hear it will have slightly better shadow and particle effects but nothing that will make you say "ZOMG TIME TO PLUNK DOWN $200+ DOLLARS FOR VISTA ASAP."

Seriously DX10 is way to over hyped for what it delivers in the end but that is just my own opinion. I'd have to wait and see games that remarkably better looking and better performing to just up and drop some serious cash for VISTA.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
The devs have said that DX10 adds a little more complexity to the water effects and that's about it. Word is that DX10 performance (Vista), like all the other DX10 patched games out there, is utter garbage. XP+DX9.0c is the way to go.

What a surprise ! :roll: Though I do hear it will have slightly better shadow and particle effects but nothing that will make you say "ZOMG TIME TO PLUNK DOWN $200+ DOLLARS FOR VISTA ASAP."

Seriously DX10 is way to over hyped for what it delivers in the end but that is just my own opinion. I'd have to wait and see games that remarkably better looking and better performing to just up and drop some serious cash for VISTA.

letsee you spent $600 for a GTX but won't take full advantage of it for only $100 more?


Install Vista, install Lost Planet, crank up the DX10 visuals and say "ZOMG, it was WORTH IT - i was SO silly for not going to Vista earlier"
--you just haven't experienced it yet

 

[Modelworks]

I just hope the mouse look in bioshock is not like the recent xbox360 games for windows ported games.
It lags bad in games like overlord when using the mouse. Its like the game is still using a joystick for panning the view.

 

[Skacer]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Install Vista, install Lost Planet, crank up the DX10 visuals and say "ZOMG, it was WORTH IT - i was SO silly for not going to Vista earlier"
--you just haven't experienced it yet

Lost Planet's DX10 features are really only performance enhancers. Better shadows and light but both are extremely trivial. And the performance gain is also pretty trivial, something like 2fps. Company of Heroes, on the other hand, has a decent list of DX10 features, but even then the end result isn't very big and it costs you a lot of performance.

Granted, the obvious reason to go to Vista is that it is unavoidable and stalling it/complaining just shows a lack of planning.