*OLD*Official Bioshock Thread

[Painman]

n/m, announcement was a hoax. Had the 2K mods fooled for a while too...

 

[Polish3d]

When will the Bioshock demo on fileplanet be released?

 

[Painman]

Last official word is sometime this month and hopefully before Tuesday.

Not very satisfactory, I know

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

I'm sofa king tempted to preorder this game... Anyone know how long it's suposed to be? Is it going to be like Fear and be good for 10 hours and then be done and over?

 

[cheapherk]

Don't go to GameStop. They told me it was too late. Just an incompetent female sales person- just another bad EBGames/GameSpot experience to add to my list- idiots. I called EB, and they said I could preorder it there (but didn't). Just went to BestBuy and preordered it instead.

 

[MBrown]

Linky

They say that PC handles the game better as far as game controls are concerned. Kinda obvious why thats the case. Also they said graphically "The PC version definitely outclasses the Xbox 360"

Looks like a must buy for PC!

Edit: Crap...I didn't see the sticky for Bioshock. Sorry Mods

Merged into official thread-DAPUNISHER

 

[MBrown]

Linky

They say that PC handles the game better as far as game controls are concerned. Kinda obvious why thats the case. Also they said graphically "The PC version definitely outclasses the Xbox 360"

Looks like a must buy for PC!

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: MBrown
Linky

They say that PC handles the game better as far as game controls are concerned. Kinda obvious why thats the case. Also they said graphically "The PC version definitely outclasses the Xbox 360"

Looks like a must buy for PC!

Ok, I don't know about this review.

"The PC version definitely outclasses the Xbox 360, mostly because of the ability to crank the resolution to 1920 x 1200."

Umm, the 360 can output 1920x1080. What, did they compare the 360 on a SDTV? (I'm not sure though if Bioshock is a native 720p or 1080p game though)

"On our gaming PC running a Core 2 Quad processor with a GeForce 8800 GTX, and 4 GB of RAM, it ran very well, with only a few occasions of seemingly random framerate hitches."

Wow, that's quite a rig to get "occasional framerate hitches." As for smooth gameplay in Bioshock, you CAN'T get any smoother than the 360. That's like saying 100 FPS (min) is smoother than 120 FPS (min). Smooth is smooth. You can be on par with the 360 as far as smooth game play goes, but I don't see how you can get smoother. The gameplay on the 360 with Bioshock was absolutely flawless.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Unfortunately I'd have to comprehensively upgrade my PC to play it, which would cost at least a grand. I'll have to struggle along with my 50" HDTV and thundering 5.1 surround system from the comfort of my couch.

 

[raystorm]

"On our gaming PC running a Core 2 Quad processor with a GeForce 8800 GTX, and 4 GB of RAM, it ran very well, with only a few occasions of seemingly random framerate hitches."

Occasional framerate hitches on that kind of rig?? ugh Would have been nice if they can test the fastest DX9 only card just for comparisons sake since not everyone can fork over money for a 8800 GTX.

Now I won't be playing at 1920x1200 since my hdtv only does 1280x720 but I would hope my pc (Opteron 165, 2GB of ram, Radeon x1800xt-512mb) would be enough to play it with maxed out settings (minus dx 10 stuff obviously) at that res with some AA and 8xAF. A demo sure would help... HELLO MCFLY..WHERE IS IT?!

The 360 version seems like its running at a very steady 30fps which is just fine and smooth for me but I'll still wait for a pc demo to test out my pc before making my final decision. Hopefully this weekend??? pretty please?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Unfortunately I'd have to comprehensively upgrade my PC to play it, which would cost at least a grand. I'll have to struggle along with my 50" HDTV and thundering 5.1 surround system from the comfort of my couch.

I feel ya Don, I could probably get away with just a new vid card to play with cans and a 17' 12x10 LCD, but my cushy seat, 57" HDTV, and Onkyo A/V are why I'll be sticking to console for most games. I'd have to invest in a better display and sound system+the new vid card, to enjoy them nearly as much on the PC. I may still cave because Gears of War PC and Crysis are already twisting my arm so hard it wants to come out of socket!

 

[route66]

Ok, a question:
My Notebook + 2MHz Duo + ATI 1600 256MB + Bioshock = ?

Should I even bother?

 

[CP5670]

When is the PC demo supposed to come out? I thought I read Friday on some site recently, but I can't find anything yet.

As for the performance, I'm almost expecting another bloatware graphics engine given what we've seen from other games lately. I have a CRT though and can turn the resolution way down if needed.

 

[Bateluer]

For those that are interested in the game, you can now purchase the game and play it the day its released on Steam.

 

[CP5670]

I wait a week or two and see some user opinions before buying anything these days. I've seen too many disappointments lately.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Ok, I don't know about this review.

"The PC version definitely outclasses the Xbox 360, mostly because of the ability to crank the resolution to 1920 x 1200."

Umm, the 360 can output 1920x1080. What, did they compare the 360 on a SDTV? (I'm not sure though if Bioshock is a native 720p or 1080p game though)

"On our gaming PC running a Core 2 Quad processor with a GeForce 8800 GTX, and 4 GB of RAM, it ran very well, with only a few occasions of seemingly random framerate hitches."

Wow, that's quite a rig to get "occasional framerate hitches." As for smooth gameplay in Bioshock, you CAN'T get any smoother than the 360. That's like saying 100 FPS (min) is smoother than 120 FPS (min). Smooth is smooth. You can be on par with the 360 as far as smooth game play goes, but I don't see how you can get smoother. The gameplay on the 360 with Bioshock was absolutely flawless.

Too bad the XBOX 360 version shows evidence of jaggies and I can just turn anti-aliasing on to combat that . I haven't looked at any issues with distance and textures becoming blurred, but that's also because Bioshock doesn't feature very long and open areas, I may go in the demo and try to look to see if there's any anisotropic filtering going on.

Also, Bioshock is rendered in 720p regardless of what your tv output is. Very few games actually release with the capability to render in 1080p. The XBOX 360 features a hardware scaler that takes care of the differences.

Also, I don't doubt the random framerate hiccups. I have the same thing happen on my 8800GTX in World of Warcraft. Whenever you start playing with fairly shader-intensive things (lots of fire or electricity), slowdown is definitely evident. In WoW, when I play two clients at once (same PC), I can get 40-50fps on both. If I look at a single fire, they both drop to 20fps or below. This is also very evident when I open the second client and I'm sitting on the login screen. The login screen has a lot of fire and animation to it, and the client that's already logged into a character and in game will slow down dramatically because of these shaders.

 

[Ichigo]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Ok, I don't know about this review.

"The PC version definitely outclasses the Xbox 360, mostly because of the ability to crank the resolution to 1920 x 1200."

Umm, the 360 can output 1920x1080. What, did they compare the 360 on a SDTV? (I'm not sure though if Bioshock is a native 720p or 1080p game though)

"On our gaming PC running a Core 2 Quad processor with a GeForce 8800 GTX, and 4 GB of RAM, it ran very well, with only a few occasions of seemingly random framerate hitches."

Wow, that's quite a rig to get "occasional framerate hitches." As for smooth gameplay in Bioshock, you CAN'T get any smoother than the 360. That's like saying 100 FPS (min) is smoother than 120 FPS (min). Smooth is smooth. You can be on par with the 360 as far as smooth game play goes, but I don't see how you can get smoother. The gameplay on the 360 with Bioshock was absolutely flawless.

Too bad the XBOX 360 version shows evidence of jaggies and I can just turn anti-aliasing on to combat that . I haven't looked at any issues with distance and textures becoming blurred, but that's also because Bioshock doesn't feature very long and open areas, I may go in the demo and try to look to see if there's any anisotropic filtering going on.

Also, Bioshock is rendered in 720p regardless of what your tv output is. Very few games actually release with the capability to render in 1080p. The XBOX 360 features a hardware scaler that takes care of the differences.

Also, I don't doubt the random framerate hiccups. I have the same thing happen on my 8800GTX in World of Warcraft. Whenever you start playing with fairly shader-intensive things (lots of fire or electricity), slowdown is definitely evident. In WoW, when I play two clients at once (same PC), I can get 40-50fps on both. If I look at a single fire, they both drop to 20fps or below. This is also very evident when I open the second client and I'm sitting on the login screen. The login screen has a lot of fire and animation to it, and the client that's already logged into a character and in game will slow down dramatically because of these shaders.

The fact is, the demo on 360 looked great, regardless of any feature of which you are making a point to note its non-existance. It didn't have any framerate issues either. So there is no "too bad" for 360 owners. They'll get a great experience for the $3-400 that they paid. Of course, if you own a quad-core and an 8800GTX, you will get better quality visuals. That does not, however, suddenly render insignificant the visual merits of the 360 game.

 

[Polish3d]

Damn! IGN gives it one of its highest ratings ever for PC version! 9.7!


"This game is a beacon. It's one of those monumental experiences you'll never forget, and the benchmark against which games for years to come will, and indeed must, be measured. This isn't merely an evolution of System Shock 2, but a wake-up call to the industry at large. Play this, and you'll see why you should demand something more from publishers and developers, more than all those derivative sequels forced down our throats year after year with only minor tweaks in their formulas. It's a shining example of how it's possible to bring together all elements of game design and succeed to the wildest degree."







http://pc.ign.com/articles/813/813641p1.html

 

[Ichigo]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Damn! IGN gives it one of its highest ratings ever for PC version! 9.7!


"This game is a beacon. It's one of those monumental experiences you'll never forget, and the benchmark against which games for years to come will, and indeed must, be measured. This isn't merely an evolution of System Shock 2, but a wake-up call to the industry at large. Play this, and you'll see why you should demand something more from publishers and developers, more than all those derivative sequels forced down our throats year after year with only minor tweaks in their formulas. It's a shining example of how it's possible to bring together all elements of game design and succeed to the wildest degree."







http://pc.ign.com/articles/813/813641p1.html

I kind of wish that they reviewed the performance with a lesser system than the behemoth they used, but obviously the gameplay should be amazing, barring any technical issues.

 

[Painman]

It was reviewed on something more modest here with good results (X2 5200 and an "entry level" 8800 which I'll assume is a GTS 320).

It's looking like the Aussie PC team did a good job with both optimization and interface.

 

[Mem]

360 version reviewed at AtomicGamer

A Lesson to be Learned

BioShock is one of those games that goes down in history as a shining example for other developers to learn from. The massive amount of effort that's gone into creating great architecture and environment goes beyond what many game developers are even remotely capable of, and while I'm not trying to trash other successful shooter franchises, the RPG elements in BioShock give the action a level of depth you simply can't get in games like the Halo series or Gears of War

96% rating.

 

[Polish3d]

This is great, 2 more days, I do hope more devs learn from this game, assuming its what these reviews say, which I'm sure it likely is.

 

[Noema]

Well, the PC version is already fully downloaded in my HDD, via Steam. Not being able to play it drives me nuts though! 52 hours to go still.

I played the 360 demo on my brother's 360...it's fantastic...it's everything I hoped it to be and even more. My brother has already pre-ordered the 360 version so we'll both be playing through it more or less at the same time; needless to say, neither of us has been as excited about a game in a long time.

 

[mb]

Circuit City will have Bioshock for $39.95 on Tuesday... oh well, already paid $50 for it on Steam.

 

[Ichigo]

Originally posted by: Painman
It was reviewed on something more modest here with good results (X2 5200 and an "entry level" 8800 which I'll assume is a GTS 320).

It's looking like the Aussie PC team did a good job with both optimization and interface.

That's like telling a college grad that he'll be fine in the city with an entry-evel BMW. Are there any reviews or performance benchmarks for people with mainstream cards? It would be a bit ridiculous to require an 8800 series card to get decent visuals. The reviewer says "entry-level" like it's something even the cheapest of gamers would have, which is simply not true.