Old quad problem[maybe]

[wowempire]

I own a ii x4 620 and I have some troubles with it. It runs way too slow, I feel like my EVEN OLDER x2 4200 was working better. Anyway, I think it's because some features @ bios. The motherboard is old aswell, it's ga-m61p-s3.

I have problem when trying to put the cpu frequency to 200mhz and multiplier fixed to x13. The pc doesn't recognize my gpu if I try to run that way, no idea how comes this, but I guarantee it happens everytime i'm doing this. [The cpu runs pretty cool, max 50-55 degrees]

-image taken with 3 tabs on Microsoft edge running -> facebook, youtube, and a browser game (darkorbit)

Anyway, if there is something that can be done instead of buying some new hardware, i'm open !

I might aswell buy something newer but I think it should run far better than it's doing now(I can change the motherboard if that would help, OR buy new dual core 1150/1155 combo, but that would be as last thing to do) , I mean, i'm writing 1 letter/sec on facebook messenger, wtf..

Other info about system : 3gb ram 533, 450w random deluxe psu, 1x 160 gb sata, 1x 160gb ide, gt 630 2gb ddr3.

I must say i'm not playing any new games even tho it runs gta v with 20-25fps. I only play some browser games and listening music, but still 40fps in a browser game, WTF --darkorbit-- and not even on high graphics, not like it would be a big deal..

I have all the drivers installed and updated, also running win 10 x32

Just advice me, what would be the best thing to do, most of you own new PCs, but I don't spend money on that, not much anyway, just replacing some things[ AS A LAST THING, I say it again ] for best price/performance ratio according to my other hardware.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Well, the X4 620 isn't the fastest CPU on the block anymore, by any means, but it shouldn't exactly be "slow" either.

It's possible that your mobo is so old, that it doesn't support the faster CPU-NB and HT3.0 speeds of the CPU.

It's also kind of weird that it won't take 200FSB - isn't that the stock FSB that it's supposed to be at?

It sounds almost like the CPU isn't fully supported on that mobo.

You could try getting a Gigabyte 760G AM3+ board.

 

[wowempire]

Well, the X4 620 isn't the fastest CPU on the block anymore, by any means, but it shouldn't exactly be "slow" either.

It's possible that your mobo is so old, that it doesn't support the faster CPU-NB and HT3.0 speeds of the CPU.

It's also kind of weird that it won't take 200FSB - isn't that the stock FSB that it's supposed to be at?

It sounds almost like the CPU isn't fully supported on that mobo.

You could try getting a Gigabyte 760G AM3+ board.

Don't misunderstood me, it works on 200 aswell, still unexpectedly slow but It does, that pic is taken just so you to see it works under frequently due to some features of motherboard..

I think I have seen something related to ht3.0 on mobo's manual, but some told me it's not big deal, but If you think that makes the difference, that is not a big deal, a motherboard like that would be the cheapest thing, but I need to make sure that's the problem .

Thanks for very fast reply, appreciated !

WHAT ABOUT a 890FXA-UD7 am3 socket OR Asrock 980DE3/U3S3, I can get some ddr3 ram aswell and hope for a exponential performance increase. Tell me what you think !

 

[VirtualLarry]

WHAT ABOUT a 890FXA-UD7 am3 socket OR Asrock 980DE3/U3S3, I can get some ddr3 ram aswell and hope for a exponential performance increase. Tell me what you think !

I doubt very much that the performance benefit of DD3 RAM would be "exponential". I think that you might see an improvement, but it would be a case of "diminishing returns".

You are on DDR2 now?

It might be worth it, to get a DDR3 AM3+ mobo, that you could upgrade the amount of memory on your rig (if you only have 3GB), to something like 8GB or maybe even 16GB of DDR3, and then later on, drop in an 8-core FX CPU (hence the need for an AM3+ mobo).

But that's only if an FX CPU interests you.

 

[wowempire]

I doubt very much that the performance benefit of DD3 RAM would be "exponential". I think that you might see an improvement, but it would be a case of "diminishing returns".

You are on DDR2 now?

It might be worth it, to get a DDR3 AM3+ mobo, that you could upgrade the amount of memory on your rig (if you only have 3GB), to something like 8GB or maybe even 16GB of DDR3, and then later on, drop in an 8-core FX CPU (hence the need for an AM3+ mobo).

But that's only if an FX CPU interests you.

Just what I thought about. I'll buy a am3+ mobo now and some ddr3, and I can upgrade at any time later with an fx-4300/6300. That's what I will do then ! Thanks for help.

And yeah, I use ddr2 533 atm.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Be aware that if you currently have both SATA and IDE HDDs, in order to use the IDE HDD, you would have to get an AM3+ mobo, that uses the 760G / SB710 chipset.

If you are willing to ditch the IDE drive, I would recommend a 970 or 990FX-based mobo.

 

[escrow4]

-> Slow old HDDs (when was the last time you saw a new 160GB HDD?)

-> Need more RAM, 3GB is tight

-> Old AM2+ mobo with a 6100 onboard

-> CPU is OK, but is let down by everything else

You want a new box. What you have is too old to spend any more money on. Just isn't worth it. A Haswell i3 + H81 board + 8GB RAM will fix all of your issues or if you wait for a Skylake i3 + H110 board + 8GB RAM.

 

[frozentundra123456]

What about a reformat?

 

[VirtualLarry]

-> Slow old HDDs (when was the last time you saw a new 160GB HDD?)

Agreed, OP should look into a 120GB (or larger) SSD.

But, those 160GB WD refurb drives, that appear to be new / NOS, using 500GB platters (see my thread in Hot Deals), might qualify. They are actually fairly speedy, as far as 160GB drives go.

-> Need more RAM, 3GB is tight
-> Old AM2+ mobo with a 6100 onboard

Yeah, 3GB is pretty light these days. Even for just web browsing, and doing Windows Update.

-> CPU is OK, but is let down by everything else

You want a new box. What you have is too old to spend any more money on. Just isn't worth it. A Haswell i3 + H81 board + 8GB RAM will fix all of your issues or if you wait for a Skylake i3 + H110 board + 8GB RAM.

While that would be nice, I think that a total platform swap would probably work out to be around $100 more expensive than just getting an AM3+ mobo, 8GB of DDR3, and then add on a 120GB SSD.

 

[redzo]

All of the above:
1. You are low on ram! Are you using the onboard GPU? It's even worse. System memory is being assigned dynamically to the GPU by the driver.
2. Windows Update trashes both the cpu and the disk. Check task manager! Windows update slows down the entire system when it searches for or installs updates. This is mostly noticeable on a dual core/thread system. Considering you could name those cores anything but fast, ... you get my point.

 

[know of fence]

All of the above:
2. Windows Update trashes both the cpu and the disk. Check task manager! Windows update slows down the entire system when it searches for or installs updates. This is mostly noticeable on a dual core/thread system. Considering you could name those cores anything but fast, ... you get my point.

Windows update is such a slow process because it creates a recovery instance for every major update, disable windows recovery/restore for all drives and you'll be updating very quickly. I recommend a clonezilla image backup for the full drive (or similar) once you are done with all of the updates.

Also Windows 10 is probably too busy stealing your personal data and bandwidth, to provide a descent user experience.

 

[Soulkeeper]

single channel 3GB of ram is the issue that sticks out to me
also boost the clock over 3GHz ... 3.2 to 3.6 should be possible

 

[wowempire]

Be aware that if you currently have both SATA and IDE HDDs, in order to use the IDE HDD, you would have to get an AM3+ mobo, that uses the 760G / SB710 chipset.

If you are willing to ditch the IDE drive, I would recommend a 970 or 990FX-based mobo.

Oh who cares about these, i'll buy a cheap ssd.

All of the above:
1. You are low on ram! Are you using the onboard GPU? It's even worse. System memory is being assigned dynamically to the GPU by the driver.
2. Windows Update trashes both the cpu and the disk. Check task manager! Windows update slows down the entire system when it searches for or installs updates. This is mostly noticeable on a dual core/thread system. Considering you could name those cores anything but fast, ... you get my point.

I'm using a gt 630, but not the amount of ram is the problem but (maybe) the fact it works on 533 ? anyway, I said i'll buy a new motherboard, most likely 970/990fx and some ddr3.