Old Republic will be the greatest failure in MMO or EA history

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s44

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The problem with these companies? They put people in positions to make decisions who don't have a true love for gaming, and who's gaming resume includes some classic NES games, and one of those 500 in one arcade PC discs you can pick up for $5.
Except the guy in charge of TOR has Baldur's Gate, BG2, and KOTOR on his resume.

It's hilarious how many people see this non-news as a chance to confirm their own biases. You may be right, but this rant isn't evidence.
 

CottonRabbit

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The thing is, this story sounds so absurdly plausible, and frankly, you could probably copy and paste this onto almost any failed game.

Which makes it sound even less credible. I could have pasted EA's name into any old case study on failed software development and come up with the same story. There are no specifics in any of the claims made by this person.
 

novasatori

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This makes a lot of sense considering those rumors a while back how they were like completely scrapping SW:TOR to redesign it because what they had was complete junk.
 

EvilComputer92

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To all the idiots here saying It's a Bioware game so I trust them whatever they make with their track record of ME2/ Dragon Age.

Bioware is NOT making this game. Mythic Entertainment, formerly makers of Warhammer Online, are in charge of development. Bioware's dev team in Austin, TX is focused on Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2. They have their hands full. The ONLY involvement that they have in this game is that Ray Muzka the director is in charge of both studios after EA fired the director of Mythic. In addition they are coordinating voice acting work with logistical help from EA.

Do not be fooled by EA's marketing team saying Bioware is the dev team. They realize the fan support for Bioware and are simply placing the Bioware name on this game.

http://kotaku.com/5302069/ea-combines-mythic-and-bioware-into-a-giant-rpg-robot
 
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imaheadcase

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DAOC was great because it was made in house, no mega corp running things. Back them Mark Jacobs gave a care and rest of mythic about DAOC only. The problem started when it all became about money, its like Mythic got great just to make money..ala get bought up.

Its pretty common knowledge DAOC was the best PvP MMO game made.
 

zerocool84

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Except the guy in charge of TOR has Baldur's Gate, BG2, and KOTOR on his resume.

and none of those were MMO's

MMO's are ENTIRELY different than a regular singleplayer RPG.

I'm not looking forward to this game solely because it's an MMO as I don't have time for a MMO. Everyone needs to wait until we get some more footage and some reviewers get some more in-depth hands on to even TRY to pass judgment on this game.
 
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Sylvanas

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I was excited about this until I saw the gameplay trailers out there. Looks shit boring IMO. I'll wait and see how it plays out.
 

Craig234

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Even if it does run them $300M, I still have a hard time seeing it as a flop. It's an incredibly popular, mainstream franchise coming from a renowned developer in an alive and well genre that's gained and still is gaining a lot of mainstream acceptance itself. It's not going to be WoW overnight, but neither was WoW, and with EA + Bioware behind it I sincerely doubt it's going to pull an APB on us.

Actually, WoW kinda was WoW overnight.
 

BladeVenom

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To all the idiots here saying It's a Bioware game so I trust them whatever they make with their track record of ME2/ Dragon Age.

Bioware is NOT making this game. Mythic Entertainment, formerly makers of Warhammer Online, are in charge of development. Bioware's dev team in Austin, TX is focused on Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2. They have their hands full. The ONLY involvement that they have in this game is that Ray Muzka the director is in charge of both studios after EA fired the director of Mythic. In addition they are coordinating voice acting work with logistical help from EA.

Do not be fooled by EA's marketing team saying Bioware is the dev team. They realize the fan support for Bioware and are simply placing the Bioware name on this game.

http://kotaku.com/5302069/ea-combines-mythic-and-bioware-into-a-giant-rpg-robot

Excellent point.

I don't know why so many people here have such faith and love for EA games, and won't believe it's possible that EA might make a mistake and release a game early because they want the money now. Must be EA's history of altruism and loyalty to the development companies they've kept in tact.
 
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Gheris

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In my opinion DAOC was a good game, and if you were excited by the idea of realm pvp then it was really fun. Personally I liked both the PvP and PvE involved in DAOC. Mythic did pretty well in my opinion. Warhammer is a different story, always felt like something was missing and they really dropped the ball with a great IP.

Was Warhammer rushed? Absolutely, remember how much content was promised compared to what we got? Total blame is on EA for that one. EA = Anti-midas? So far it seems that way for Mythic. Mythic did not "suck" prior to the EA takeover.

Now I have been under the impression that Bioware was developing the Old Republic, however if that's not the case then you really can't totally dismiss the statements made by what seems to be a disgruntled employee. It must be taken with a grain of salt as their certainly is a good touch of sour grapes in that statement. Time will tell on this one, but one should never buy an MMO on release day.
 

Beev

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If anyone outside of Bioware is working on this game then it will be less good than it could be, if that wording makes sense... Basically, only Bioware should be developing TOR. No one from that shithole Mythic, no one from that shithole EA. Just Bioware. If it's just them, and there's no unnecessary rushing from EA, then the game will be enjoyable for me.
 

darkewaffle

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BTW I'm actually EA louse and I just wrote all that to troll you.

I'm not, but my word is just as credible as his. Anyone could write this about anything, why anyone is giving it even a shred of credibility is an absolute mystery to me.
 

BenSkywalker

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Bioware is NOT making this game. Mythic Entertainment, formerly makers of Warhammer Online, are in charge of development. Bioware's dev team in Austin, TX is focused on Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2.

When did Mythic open up offices in Austin? Curious as one of the rants the Mythic guys have is that some of them have b3en moved to Austion to work on ToR. Since we have EA, Bioware and Mythic all saying that Bioware is making the game in Austin, and people from Mythic lamenting their coworkers are moving to Austin to work on ToR, why we should take your word for it? Honestly curious on this one. The article you linked explained how they booted out one of Mythic's heads and put Bioware in charge of keeping an eye on them. Not sure how you equate that out to it being a Mythic game(particularly when all the leads for all the elements of ToR are guys that have been credited with multiple Bioware games- no Mythic experience though).

Reading over this particular rant he doesn't say anything specific about ToR's problems, he says the game 'is a joke'- when coming from a Mythic employee I have to take that as *staggering* praise honestly- and that what they are proudest about is the 'sound'(the entire game's story voice acted/scripted out which they have made no qualms about claiming is their most distinctive feature). If the guys at Mythic think that ToR plays terribly, honestly, that makes me a lot more interested in the game.

This poster spends a lot of time talking about the failure of WAR and trying to blame management on its' failure. You know what the failure of WAR was? That it played out exactly how Mythic wanted it to. The game is entriely focused around PvP and all game elements are centered as such. Reality check- most people in MMOs don't care about PvP and most of those that do don't want anything resembling a balanced experience. Look at the twinks in WoW- they outnumber Mythic's most popular MMO ever, sad but true.

But an audio book accomplishes the same thing. This is a game. If the audio is the best thing going for it, then the game itself will be a huge disappointmment.

When you compare two games from a like genre, how do you explain the differences? For me, I try and start with the things that they do much better or much worse then the other. A highly in depth storyline that makes 1-max level enjoyable.... in a MMO? I'd take that.

Everyone needs to wait until we get some more footage and some reviewers get some more in-depth hands on to even TRY to pass judgment on this game.

More then any other genre, MMOs are not something you want to turn to reviewers for.

Warhammer got an 84, it was terrible-

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/warhammer-online-age-of-reckoning/critic-reviews

Wrath of the Lich King got a 91- millions of users quit due to how bad it is-

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king

Even The Sime Online, the poorest MMO ever made by a longshot got a 70-

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-sims-online/critic-reviews

There are many reasons why, but you can't reasonable do a proper review on a MMO, in order to properly evaluate it you should normally have a thousand hours or more into the game. Terrible leveling but awe inspiring end game? I'd take that any day over great leveling and no end game when looking at MMOs. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have it good all the way around, but the overwhelming majority of MMO players time is spent on end game content and very rarely do reviewers come close to reaching that point in the game before they release a review for simple real world reasons(if I run a site or print publication I can't have my guy spending two and a half months writing a review for a game that came out months ago).
 

Beev

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Wrath of the Lich King got a 91- millions of users quit due to how bad it is

Millions, eh? They must have all went back then since WoW set another subscriber milestone recently.

The only people that quit WoW at this point are people who are simply done with the game (like myself) or butthurt children who are upset they're cheap class can't be cheap anymore. Then they just come back a month later and reroll.

IIRC you used to (still do?) troll the shit out of the WoW thread. If I'm mistaking you for someone else I apologize.
 

s44

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To all the idiots here saying It's a Bioware game so I trust them whatever they make with their track record of ME2/ Dragon Age.

Bioware is NOT making this game. Mythic Entertainment, formerly makers of Warhammer Online, are in charge of development. Bioware's dev team in Austin, TX is focused on Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2.
Unsurprisingly, you have no f'in clue what you're talking about. All of Bioware's single-player development is and always has been at their original home base in frozen Edmonton. (With some stuff now in Montreal, not Austin.) TOR was and is the only thing being done at Bio Austin, which is and always has been the only studio developing TOR.

Bioware took over Mythic to reshape it in its own image. Some of its veteran talent has been borrowed for TOR, but they're working on it under Bio Austin's leadership, not vice versa. The rest of Mythic is busy doing its own thing. From the whiner's own words you can tell that he didn't spend a single day on the project.
 
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ElFenix

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There are many reasons why, but you can't reasonable do a proper review on a MMO, in order to properly evaluate it you should normally have a thousand hours or more into the game. Terrible leveling but awe inspiring end game? I'd take that any day over great leveling and no end game when looking at MMOs. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have it good all the way around, but the overwhelming majority of MMO players time is spent on end game content and very rarely do reviewers come close to reaching that point in the game before they release a review for simple real world reasons(if I run a site or print publication I can't have my guy spending two and a half months writing a review for a game that came out months ago).
i've been playing lotro for over 2 years now and barely have 1000 hours into the game. leveling is fun, good story, but once you're out of content you're just grinding the same old same old. up until they were bought by warner last year turbine added content at a fairly regular clip. but then it took almost a year between mirkwood's release and the latest "free" new zone. hopefully now that they've converted to the f2p model they'll be adding content at their old quick pace (almost to the gap of rohan, how they handle the battle of helm's deep will be interesting). they're also updating all the old raids which had been passed by the level cap to the skirmish model, so the level cap can be adjusted and you can run the old raids on-level.


daoc had terrible leveling but the end game was great (up until they decided to appease pve raiders and ruin rvr with trials of atlantis and new frontiers).
 
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mmntech

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It's Star Wars, it has a big fanbase. Plus there are tons of people from Galaxies who would jump over to this. Definitely won't be another WoW. Nowhere near. But I doubt it will fail.

I really wish they had given KOTOR 2 a proper sequel though. You can't end something like that on such a huge cliffhanger.
 
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