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MrSquished

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Speaking of, is an NYC bodega chopped cheese really worth the visit?

Not really, but if you have one while you're here it's a good choice. You come to New York City for the best deli meats ever, with corned beef and pastrami included. You come for some pizza, you come for some ramen, basically you can find amazing representations of almost every cuisine. I've been to two Uighur Chinese food places and a Tibetan place run by immigrants in the last month. That's what you come for, that stuff was delicious.

Also of course if you like fine dining there are some of the best restaurants as well.
 
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mindless1

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The moral cupability becomes even greyer when you consider that no one would ever steal a catalytic converter if there weren't someone looking to buy them.
Buying cats (for precious metal recovery purposes) can be legitimate. I had one rust out, sold it, bought generic aftermarket cat and made a profit replacing it. I'm not excusing those who buy dozens at a time though, seems like there should be a small # limit per year, unless you have a junkyard license suggesting a legitimate source of them.

Car theft by a minor should be bumped up from a misdemeanor to a felony, then an appropriate # of years incarceration plus damages to the owner. I don't know NY law on the matter. There's still time to rehabilitate them but we don't want them causing more problems till that happens.
 

FelixDeCat

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Buying cats (for precious metal recovery purposes) can be legitimate. I had one rust out, sold it, bought generic aftermarket cat and made a profit replacing it. I'm not excusing those who buy dozens at a time though, seems like there should be a small # limit per year, unless you have a junkyard license suggesting a legitimate source of them.

Car theft by a minor should be bumped up from a misdemeanor to a felony, then an appropriate # of years incarceration plus damages to the owner. I don't know NY law on the matter. There's still time to rehabilitate them but we don't want them causing more problems till that happens.

Not sure how much precious metals you can recover from our wild neighborhood cats, but you might get bit and scratched for your trouble.
 

Vic

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Buying cats (for precious metal recovery purposes) can be legitimate. I had one rust out, sold it, bought generic aftermarket cat and made a profit replacing it. I'm not excusing those who buy dozens at a time though, seems like there should be a small # limit per year, unless you have a junkyard license suggesting a legitimate source of them.

Car theft by a minor should be bumped up from a misdemeanor to a felony, then an appropriate # of years incarceration plus damages to the owner. I don't know NY law on the matter. There's still time to rehabilitate them but we don't want them causing more problems till that happens.
You appear to be unaware of the fact that the majority property theft stems from the demand created by buyers who knowingly buy stolen goods. Mostly organized crime.
Case in point: the major spike in catalytic converter theft mostly ended when the interstate crime ring that was buying stolen cats got shut down last year.
Right now the big crime fad is smartphone theft. Which too is mostly driven by organized crime selling them to China.
The lower class people you cons like to pretend are the cause of all crime are actually just stooges and straw buyers for the most part. And that's not soft on crime or bleeding heart for anyone. I'm just saying that the real criminals in this world appreciate your naivete.
 
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Meghan54

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You appear to be unaware of the fact that the majority property theft stems from the demand created by buyers who knowingly buy stolen goods. Mostly organized crime.
Case in point: the major spike in catalytic converter theft mostly ended when the interstate crime ring that was buying stolen cats got shut down last year.
Right now the big crime fad is smartphone theft. Which too is mostly driven by organized crime selling them to China.
The lower class people you cons like to pretend are the cause of all crime are actually just stooges and straw buyers for the most part. And that's not soft on crime or bleeding heart for anyone. I'm just saying that the real criminals in this world appreciate your naivete.
You referring to this?


Sorry for the Apple News link…..🤪
 
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Vic

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You referring to this?


Sorry for the Apple News link…..🤪
Sorry I don't do Apple, but this one:
 
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mindless1

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You appear to be unaware of the fact that the majority property theft stems from the demand created by buyers who knowingly buy stolen goods. Mostly organized crime.
Case in point: the major spike in catalytic converter theft mostly ended when the interstate crime ring that was buying stolen cats got shut down last year.
Right now the big crime fad is smartphone theft. Which too is mostly driven by organized crime selling them to China.
The lower class people you cons like to pretend are the cause of all crime are actually just stooges and straw buyers for the most part. And that's not soft on crime or bleeding heart for anyone. I'm just saying that the real criminals in this world appreciate your naivete.
I'm aware but that does not mean we should ban legitimate sales. What's next, make it illegal to buy used phones?
 

woolfe9998

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I haven't been to the bay area in 25 years or so, so I'd be clueless on what's going on there. Is the toll going to Hayward still $2?

LOL no, they just raised the toll on the San Mateo and Dumbarton bridges to $7. Ouch.
 

Pohemi

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I had heard about Hyundai/Kia models being easier to steal but I thought it was because of inferior or outdated lock technology. I had no idea it's because Hyundai Motors just skimped on ignition devices that nearly every other car has, and even Hyundais/Kias do in markets like EU that require them. Crazy.
 

Captante

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They also failed to equip the same years with engine-immobiliser's.

My Elantra was a nice car on the surface ... I wouldn't own another Hyundai after having it because I don't trust them. (I don't care how fancy and shiny they are)
 
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Indus

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Death Penalty needed for carjackers!!!!!


They assaulted him, robbed him of his vehicle and threw him out of the moving vehicle.

The guy has no way to make a living now.

What more evidence do you fucking need that you cannot go soft on crime like this?
 

Captante

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Death Penalty needed for carjackers!!!!!


They assaulted him, robbed him of his vehicle and threw him out of the moving vehicle.

The guy has no way to make a living now.

What more evidence do you fucking need that you cannot go soft on crime like this?

I'd be ok with burning the carjacker at the stake frankly. (in public)

Or taking his hands. (barbaric true BUT he sure won't be hurting anyone with them ever again if they're chopped off)



EDIT: I thought it was obvious BUT apparently not? .... /S
 
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Pohemi

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Don't be soft on crime! Kill everyone!

So...how long until you feel the same way about shoplifters? People who litter or jaywalk? If you can make leaps of logic, so can I.

"10 planets to the left of everyone else on the forums" is nonsense IMHO. People that far left tend to not align with right-wingers on the "tough on crime" boat, much less calling for extrajudicial death sentences for GTA.

If they carjacked someone and killed the owner...sure, maybe. But the guy is still breathing, and frankly should have insurance that will cover most of the cost of the lost vehicle. If he used his own vehicle as a taxi, it had to be insured. You think that justifies a death sentence. I think that kind of "justice" is fucking insanity.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I just can't help but raise an eyebrow at what I consider an extreme view.
 
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Captante

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Don't be soft on crime! Kill everyone!

So...how long until you feel the same way about shoplifters? People who litter or jaywalk? If you can make leaps of logic, so can I.

"Logic" ??? Not so much more like anger. (also /s lol)

However all kidding aside .... if shoplifting leads to severe injury or death the penalty needs to be severe in-kind ... at least for anything beyond a first offense. (i'm of the opinion that ALMOST any "first offense" rates mercy)
 
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Pohemi

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"Logic" ??? Not so much more like anger. (also /s lol)

However all kidding aside .... if shoplifting leads to severe injury or death the penalty needs to be severe in-kind ... at least for anything beyond a first offense.
I don't disagree with this in regards to more serious crimes committed.

And yeah, I thought I detected a missing /s in your post before this one, I was mostly responding to Indus.
 
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cytg111

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Death Penalty needed for carjackers!!!!!


They assaulted him, robbed him of his vehicle and threw him out of the moving vehicle.

The guy has no way to make a living now.

What more evidence do you fucking need that you cannot go soft on crime like this?
Holy crap, talk about going off the deep on one particular topic, guess we found Indus's blind spot .

A sane society would demand mandatory insurance to replace his vehicle, when the thieves are found and can be sued for damages, it should be the states responsibility to extract that wealth from the perps and front the damages to the victim.

Anyway, all this death penalty talk, its my opinion that you have severely misunderstood who and what you are, where you come from and how you operate if you support all these harsh punishments.

Also, If I as a carjacker know that I am facing death anyway, you can be sure as hell I am gonna end the driver first thing, fucker may well be able to identify me. Fuck that. What you gonna do? Sentence me to death twice?
 

Indus

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Holy crap, talk about going off the deep on one particular topic, guess we found Indus's blind spot .

A sane society would demand mandatory insurance to replace his vehicle, when the thieves are found and can be sued for damages, it should be the states responsibility to extract that wealth from the perps and front the damages to the victim.

Anyway, all this death penalty talk, its my opinion that you have severely misunderstood who and what you are, where you come from and how you operate if you support all these harsh punishments.

Also, If I as a carjacker know that I am facing death anyway, you can be sure as hell I am gonna end the driver first thing, fucker may well be able to identify me. Fuck that. What you gonna do? Sentence me to death twice?
You simply don't understand..

We're trying to create a good life for Americans with basic unalienable rights like living your life in peace with good healthcare and education.

Where you can love who you want and be as straight or gay or trans as you want with protection by the law and police..

But there are those will not stop trying to destroy us.. so...



I'm not regurgitating some right wing talking point. I want to fucking feel safe with my LGBT crowd.. not under constant assault by extremists or carjackers or muggers.

I'm not asking for the moon..
 

nakedfrog

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Death Penalty needed for carjackers!!!!!


They assaulted him, robbed him of his vehicle and threw him out of the moving vehicle.

The guy has no way to make a living now.

What more evidence do you fucking need that you cannot go soft on crime like this?
Has there been evidence produced that shows the death penalty has an actual deterrent effect?
 

brycejones

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Has there been evidence produced that shows the death penalty has an actual deterrent effect?
Nope

Frequently Asked Questions raised by the public about Capital Punishment
Q
: Doesn’t the Death Penalty deter crime, especially murder?
A
: No, there is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime more effectively than long terms of imprisonment. States that have death penalty laws do not have lower crime rates or murder rates than states without such laws. And states that have abolished capital punishment show no significant changes in either crime or murder rates.

 
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