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cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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You simply don't understand..

We're trying to create a good life for Americans with basic unalienable rights like living your life in peace with good healthcare and education.

Where you can love who you want and be as straight or gay or trans as you want with protection by the law and police..

But there are those will not stop trying to destroy us.. so...

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I'm not regurgitating some right wing talking point. I want to fucking feel safe with my LGBT crowd.. not under constant assault by extremists or carjackers or muggers.

I'm not asking for the moon..
Well you sort of are. If you train a dog a certain way, dont be surprised when the dog acts a certain way, though the dog will be put down its not really the fault of the dog is it? So logically that leaves your death penalty reasoning as a warning to the other dogs. How well has that worked out for you historically though?
We’re all just mammals in this zoo we call society, and its not like there is not papers on our behavioral traits.
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Well you sort of are. If you train a dog a certain way, dont be surprised when the dog acts a certain way, though the dog will be put down its not really the fault of the dog is it? So logically that leaves your death penalty reasoning as a warning to the other dogs. How well has that worked out for you historically though?
We’re all just mammals in this zoo we call society, and its not like there is not papers on our behavioral traits.

So someone trained the criminals to act like criminals?

Are you saying we should hold them responsibly too..

Death for the ones who commit it, incarceration for those that train them?

That's a little bit higher than I was prepared to go since I thought the human mind is able to distinguish from right and wrong. It can choose to do so or not do so but it's that person's decision and hence they're responsbile.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Sure show me a criminal who is dead who still commits crimes..
The crime still happened, though? What's your goal with the implementation of this death policy? I was under the impression you wanted to prevent carjacking.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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So someone trained the criminals to act like criminals?

Are you saying we should hold them responsibly too..

Death for the ones who commit it, incarceration for those that train them?

That's a little bit higher than I was prepared to go since I thought the human mind is able to distinguish from right and wrong. It can choose to do so or not do so but it's that person's decision and hence they're responsbile.
I expect too much from you, thats on me, sorry
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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And how many likewise crimes, and up, exits, naturally they gonna get dead too… So… hangman is gonna be busy.

Violent crimes

and

crimes with complete indifference towards other people's lives.



Fuck the hangman.. takes too long and gotta weigh bags, get the trap door right.

Just bring back US manufacturing and create guillotines for every community jail!
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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The crime still happened, though? What's your goal with the implementation of this death policy? I was under the impression you wanted to prevent carjacking.

FFS I don't understand how nicholas cruz still sits in prison watching showtime and hbo while his victims are dead.

The justice system clearly is NOT WORKING with mass shootings and violent crime everywhere.

The point is to send a message..

Commit a violent crime

end up as a toy for the guillotine!
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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FFS I don't understand how nicholas cruz still sits in prison watching showtime and hbo while his victims are dead.

The justice system clearly is NOT WORKING with mass shootings and violent crime everywhere.

The point is to send a message..

Commit a violent crime

end up as a toy for the guillotine!
And your err is that you believe its up to the justice system to fix this shit.
 
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Sunburn74

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Sure show me a criminal who is dead who still commits crimes..
Really expensive way to deter one criminal you already have locked up...

FFS I don't understand how nicholas cruz still sits in prison watching showtime and hbo while his victims are dead.

The justice system clearly is NOT WORKING with mass shootings and violent crime everywhere.

The point is to send a message..

Commit a violent crime

end up as a toy for the guillotine!
There are many fates worse than death. Theres a reason why prisoners have one of if not the highest suicide rate of a population. I think many of us would rather die than be locked in prison as someone's sex slave.
 
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nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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FFS I don't understand how nicholas cruz still sits in prison watching showtime and hbo while his victims are dead.

The justice system clearly is NOT WORKING with mass shootings and violent crime everywhere.

The point is to send a message..

Commit a violent crime

end up as a toy for the guillotine!
Which leads me back to my original question... can you provide any evidence that the death penalty is a deterrent?
You seem to be laboring under the impression that a higher rate of punishment and incarceration reduces crime. Maybe look up incarceration rates and crime in this country, and see if that impression is accurate.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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I expect too much from you, thats on me, sorry

Which leads me back to my original question... can you provide any evidence that the death penalty is a deterrent?
You seem to be laboring under the impression that a higher rate of punishment and incarceration reduces crime. Maybe look up incarceration rates and crime in this country, and see if that impression is accurate.

I did live in Singapore after 2008 till 2014.

They have capital punishment for drug crimes.

It works!

Harder to find drugs in Singapore than it is to find girls who will do a 3 sum.

But that's because it's embedded in the country's culture.. some stuff is bad and punishable by death. Play stupid games, you'll win the stupid prize. Most Singaporeans don't want to win the darwin award though unlike Americans.
 
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Pohemi

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Oct 2, 2004
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Sure show me a criminal who is dead who still commits crimes..
That ends up being more than just punishment though when you're (maybe) suggesting capital punishment as a preventative measure. And again, I can understand wanting it for people such as Nicholas Cruz. But he did just a lil more than GTA.
And your err is that you believe its up to the justice system to fix this shit.
Right, the justice system is there for punishment after the fact, not fixing our society so these crimes don't happen. Police presence can help reduce crimes being committed (preventative), but their active role is arresting after the crime has already occurred. Our justice system pretends that punishments themselves are preventative, but it's so variable that it can't be reliably true.

A lot of criminals just don't give a shit about consequences if they consider them at all, it seems. Whether to themselves or others.
 
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brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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I did live in Singapore after 2008 till 2014.

They have capital punishment for drug crimes.

It works!

Harder to find drugs in Singapore than it is to find girls who will do a 3 sum.

But that's because it's embedded in the country's culture.. some stuff is bad and punishable by death. Play stupid games, you'll win the stupid prize. Most Singaporeans don't want to win the darwin award though unlike Americans.

Nope see post 75 in this thread. The evidence is extremely clear on this point.
 
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NWRMidnight

Platinum Member
Jun 18, 2001
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You simply don't understand..

We're trying to create a good life for Americans with basic unalienable rights like living your life in peace with good healthcare and education.

Where you can love who you want and be as straight or gay or trans as you want with protection by the law and police..

But there are those will not stop trying to destroy us.. so...

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I'm not regurgitating some right wing talking point. I want to fucking feel safe with my LGBT crowd.. not under constant assault by extremists or carjackers or muggers.

I'm not asking for the moon..
Car jackers are not the one's you should be fearing when it comes to your safety in the LGBTQ+ community. In fact, they have nothing to do with it. Maybe you meant Christian nationalists instead of car jackers.. or maybe you meant right wing government officials.. God himself hasn't been able to cleanse the evil you speak of from this country, or the world.. not sure how you think death to car jackers will fix the problem. Specially since the America you want has never existed, as our history is full of evil, bloodshed, and hatred.
 
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