(Old Thread) RANT: What idiot designed the USB standard?

[Locut0s]

Wanted?
FireWire did replace SCSI.

I'm not up with the server world but don't just about all server platforms still use some form of SCSI for their hard drive arrays? And increasingly now probably SATA. Firewire is for external connectors. While SCISI can be used for external devises isn't its main use internally to connect server HDDs?

 

[Tsavo]

3-prong power supply connector is a connector done right.

 

[Locut0s]

3-prong power supply connector is a connector done right.

True.

Speaking of connectors, sockets and plugs done right or wrong. Remember the earlier AMD processors and their stock HSFs?? I can't remember which socket it was but some of the early models ( early Athlon?). At any rate the stock HSF that came with them required so much pressure to install that it wasn't uncommon to hear of people literally breaking their motherboard PCBs installing them. I remember having to actually lean on the HSF retention clip with a significant portion of my body weight thinking "I hope this doesn't fucking slip!".

 

[Tsavo]

Any Intel socket starting with 775 should be removed from the universe. They had a good thing going with the P4 system.

 

[alfa147x]

Any Intel socket starting with 775 should be removed from the universe. They had a good thing going with the P4 system.

I like the LGA 775

No wait I LOVE LGA 775 fucking hate CPU's with pins

 

[secretanchitman]

I like the LGA 775

No wait I LOVE LGA 775 fucking hate CPU's with pins

agreed. the core 2 duo/quad era was great. 2.66ghz to 4.0ghz on air cooling? yes please!

 

[QueBert]

Any Intel socket starting with 775 should be removed from the universe. They had a good thing going with the P4 system.

Whoever designed the original stock 775 Heatsink should be stoned to death. My hatred for that easily out shines my hate for probably everything else I hate combined. Just thinking about it makes me want to Google the inventor and pay him a visit.

 

[alfa147x]

Whoever designed the original stock 775 Heatsink should be stoned to death. My hatred for that easily out shines my hate for probably everything else I hate combined. Just thinking about it makes me want to Google the inventor and pay him a visit.

I never understood the hate for those HSF. I used a stock P4 cooler (copper, large, free ) on my E8400 for the longest time and it wasn't too bad to install. I might be too strong, haha right...

 

[Tsavo]

I like the LGA 775

No wait I LOVE LGA 775 fucking hate CPU's with pins

Mounting system sucks, not the CPU's! The mounting system for the heatsinks is the worst ever.

 

[AndroidVageta]

Some of you just seem too impatient when plugging shit it...USB is the easiest to use I think...try it one way...doesnt fit? Turn this shit around and plug in...I mean, goddamn, is it that hard to do???

 

[alfa147x]

My problem with USB is that I can't feel the port and tell which is right. This is why DVI, Firewire, D-SUB, and power connectors are awesome!

 

[QueBert]

I never understood the hate for those HSF. I used a stock P4 cooler (copper, large, free ) on my E8400 for the longest time and it wasn't too bad to install. I might be too strong, haha right...

There's a semi universal hate, I've been building PC's since you could buy a the parts. I have assembled hundreds for me, people I know and clients. The first time I built a 775 system I almost busted a blood vessel in my neck. Mind you I'm normally one of the most mellow people in the world. Stupid doesn't begin to describe it. To this day I still have troubles with them, the rare times I encounter them that is. When I see the shitty cartoon face with FUUUUUUUUUU I think stock 775 heatsink.

 

[Locut0s]

Huh maybe it was a 775 processor I was thinking about then. Though I could swear it was an AMD socket. Did AMD have any similarly hard to install stock HSFs?

 

[WHAMPOM]

What?? USB cable/drive have an open space on top also marked with the raised connection (blind can tell the difference) thingie. HDMI and SATA need a latch system to hold them in place. God, I hate unsecure connections!

 

[Howard]

I love me some M8/M12 and XLR connectors. My God are these things unremarkable in a good way.

 

[zinfamous]

Hey now, I LIKE HDMI! Before then, it took a shit load of cables to run HD video and 5.1 surround sound from my Cable Box and DVD player to my receiver. Now, I only need one for each device.

Yes, the HDCP handshaking delay kind of sucks, but not as much as that mass of cables that I had behind my entertainment center.

my problem with HDMI is the flimsy connection. I love the HD video/audio all in one package--that is spectacular.

I fucking hate the ridiculous flimsiness of that horrendous design though. The idiot that passed that through design should be shot. (wounded, not killed. ())

 

[alfa147x]

HDMI and SATA need a latch system to hold them in place. God, I hate unsecure connections!

I agree with this^

 

[zinfamous]

What?? USB cable/drive have an open space on top also marked with the raised connection (blind can tell the difference) thingie. HDMI and SATA need a latch system to hold them in place. God, I hate unsecure connections!

most SATA have metal pins on them now (the cables), that allow that "clicking" satisfaction when installed. Though, in my experience, these are still wobbly.

If only HDMI had that bare minimum of a metal tab. The back of my Receiver looks like a fucking artillary sight around one of the HDMI inputs. I move quite regularly, and am often working with short cables and tight spaces, so regularly setting up my system and working somewhat blindly has taken me to the point where that HDMI port needs a stiff HDMI cable that I must actually bend against a back wall to keep it in parallel position to the port on the receiver (one of Monoprice's original stiff, round HDMI designs). It's terrifying! D:

 

[bearxor]

Wanted?
FireWire did replace SCSI.

For external peripherals maybe, but the original intent for Apple was to replace internal Hard Drives with FW models.

 

[alfa147x]

For external peripherals maybe, but the original intent for Apple was to replace internal Hard Drives with FW models.

Now THAT would be awesome!

 

[Raduque]

USB is fine, you know what sucks? IDE.

You force this motherfucker in wrong, you get bent pins. USB you can just try again.

IDE's not so bad unless you get one of those cables that doesn't have the tab (that goes in the notch) or the blocked-out pin on the connector itself. THEN it becomes a bitch.

USB can be irritating, but I get around it by using self-powered hubs (or the front ports).

Now I'll tell you what pisses me off: SATA. Fucking weak-sauce connectors on the drive end, and the tiny connectors on the cable are irritating to maneuver into place as well.

Huh maybe it was a 775 processor I was thinking about then. Though I could swear it was an AMD socket. Did AMD have any similarly hard to install stock HSFs?

No, he's bitching about the push pins. I've never had a problem with the Intel push pins. They've always worked great for me. You were right about the inordinate amount of pressure required on some old Socket A heatsinks. I busted more sockets than I can remember with those damn things. I actually managed to replace sockets on two motherboard, but for the others I went out of my way to get heatsinks that grab all 3 lugs. In fact, AMD STILL uses the stupid lugs mounting system for, well, everything. I now either need a new heatsink retention frame, or a new 3-lug heatsink for my HTPC because the center lug broke.

 

[SamurAchzar]

How can you argue that SCSI isn't well thought out?
(for something from its era?)

SCSI > IDE/parallel port any day of the week

The SCSI standard itself - I'm talking about the low-level specification and implementation - it an outright abomination. It's a complete hackjob, with hundreds of commands, lots of stuff that's era specific (up to this day your USB memory stick, which communicates with the host using SCSI commands, has to tell the host it's not a backup tape ). It might have been good once, but it definitely outlived its useful life.

The problem it just spreads around, encapsulated over newer standards; USB Mass Storage Devices are one (the commands flowing over the USB Bulk pipes are SCSI commands), iSCSI is another (SCSI over IP), Fibre Channels... Shit just won't die.

 

[ObscureCaucasian]

Don't you mean to rotate the device by its long axis? Flipping it as you say only orients the plug distally from the receptacle!

Do as I mean not as I say jerk!

 

[grrl]

True.

Speaking of connectors, sockets and plugs done right or wrong. Remember the earlier AMD processors and their stock HSFs?? I can't remember which socket it was but some of the early models ( early Athlon?). At any rate the stock HSF that came with them required so much pressure to install that it wasn't uncommon to hear of people literally breaking their motherboard PCBs installing them. I remember having to actually lean on the HSF retention clip with a significant portion of my body weight thinking "I hope this doesn't fucking slip!".

I think that was Socket A.

 

[Acanthus]

I fail to see how the firewire connector makes things all that much easier when you cant see (behind the computer).

What i dont get is why they dont just make one that can plugged in in any direction and just sense its position and operate properly.