(Old Thread) RANT: What idiot designed the USB standard?

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zokudu

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well the shape and the fit mean that you can push in at certain angles and it won't go in readily either way, you are unsure of just how much force to use. this was especially bad with some dell desktops with hidden front usb slots under a cover that only lifted up slightly to allow access, literally they were up and inside the bottom front of the case, you had to plug in at an angle..blind.


while this is obviously a necro thread, it is also true that the design was very poor.

Gonna be a little bit of a sticker here but that is not the case your talking about. I owned a Dell in that case as my first PC. The USB and Audio front ports are in that little oval at the way bottom of the case.

Dell did make those stupid cases but thats not a picture of one.
 

Rubycon

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The one with the "panties" cover that flips up and takes USB peripherals at an angle is the devil.

As far as laptop power is concerned they really need to have a standard, one size fits all, connection.

Imagine if you NEEDED a Sony monitor for a Sony PC, Dell monitor for Dell PC and so on...

Ditto for mouse, keyboard, and printers. That would be horrible.
 

Wyndru

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Gonna be a little bit of a sticker here but that is not the case your talking about. I owned a Dell in that case as my first PC. The USB and Audio front ports are in that little oval at the way bottom of the case.

Dell did make those stupid cases but thats not a picture of one.

You are right about that picture.
They did make the tower version that looked just like that (optiplex 260 to 280 IIRC), but instead of the oval it did have that annoying flip up cover and the angled USB just like the desktop model did. They are so annoying.
 

Kirby

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The one with the "panties" cover that flips up and takes USB peripherals at an angle is the devil.

As far as laptop power is concerned they really need to have a standard, one size fits all, connection.

Imagine if you NEEDED a Sony monitor for a Sony PC, Dell monitor for Dell PC and so on...

Ditto for mouse, keyboard, and printers. That would be horrible.

Everything should be RS-232.
 

lxskllr

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so, how many of you have been out-witted by a usb plug, and you blame usb. nice tech forum

It's still a crappy design. It's like buying an audio CD, and neither side is labeled. Yea, if you look close you can figure it out, but you shouldn't have to do that. Computers are supposed to make life easier. Making things needlessly difficult violates their core purpose.
 

HeXen

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It's still a crappy design. It's like buying an audio CD, and neither side is labeled. Yea, if you look close you can figure it out, but you shouldn't have to do that. Computers are supposed to make life easier. Making things needlessly difficult violates their core purpose.

not that i disagree, however most connection devices are 1 way only. i think all my electrical plugs will only go in the socket 1 way without a very clear lable or shape...like most people, i just try to jam it in without looking only to realize then flip it ...sure it would be cool to plug any which way like a car A/C adapter or audio mini plug, which imo could be easily deisgned for just about any kind of connection device. if nothing else a triangle shaped plug would be something thats pretty clear without looking hard as you go to plug it in
 

Rubycon

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Six pin firewire can be inserted the wrong way with not too much force. And boy does it screw up if you do that. :whiste:
 

Rubycon

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lol do tell

It was hard for me to see in the back of our poolside mobile rack and I did not have time to fetch a torch (left mine on my desk) and I was doing it by feel and managed to push it in the wrong way.

When the laptop could not find the 896HD interface I thought it was strange and by that time I had some light. Yanked it out and noticed pointed end was in on the straight side! YIKES!

Luckily there's another port next to this one, pushed it in the right way and the CueMix FX picked up the 896HD right away. Later when I had time to check it out the port is blown out.
 

Wyndru

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I'm not understanding the confusion on the way it should be inserted though, I've never been able to insert one incorrectly. I guess with force you could but why would you try to jam any cable into a port on a computer?

Also, isn't part of the standard the requirement that the USB symbol be indented on the top of the male connector? I always just feel for those "bumps" before I insert it. Some don't have it indented, but I haven't seen many that don't at least have the symbol on the top (aside from flash devices which are usually brand labeled on the top of them).

However, if the female port side of it is upside down, sideways or angled so you can't see them (which I've seen quite a bit) I would blame the case manufacturer, not the standard.
 

Rubycon

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I'm not understanding the confusion on the way it should be inserted though, I've never been able to insert one incorrectly. I guess with force you could but why would you try to jam any cable into a port on a computer?

Also, isn't part of the standard the requirement that the USB symbol be indented on the top of the male connector? I always just feel for those "bumps" before I insert it. Some don't have it indented, but I haven't seen many that don't at least have the symbol on the top (aside from flash devices which are usually brand labeled on the top of them).

However, if the female port side of it is upside down, sideways or angled so you can't see them (which I've seen quite a bit) I would blame the case manufacturer, not the standard.

USB connector on PC, not likely to get in backwards. 1394 six pin is definitely possible with not much effort as I described above.
 

Wyndru

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USB connector on PC, not likely to get in backwards. 1394 six pin is definitely possible with not much effort as I described above.

I'm surprised about that one too, since one side is completely different than the other on that connector. I'll have to try it at work on a PC we are tossing out. It would be better if it threw sparks though :awe:
 

LumbergTech

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I don't understand why they made it so easy to break in the first place. I don't see why there needs to be a protruding piece inside the slot. Why isn't that on the outside of the internal connector?
 

Locut0s

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It was hard for me to see in the back of our poolside mobile rack and I did not have time to fetch a torch (left mine on my desk) and I was doing it by feel and managed to push it in the wrong way.

When the laptop could not find the 896HD interface I thought it was strange and by that time I had some light. Yanked it out and noticed pointed end was in on the straight side! YIKES!

Luckily there's another port next to this one, pushed it in the right way and the CueMix FX picked up the 896HD right away. Later when I had time to check it out the port is blown out.

I did something similar at my last job working at NCIX. We had USB barcode scanners and the one at my station was plugged into the back of the station and so didn't reach far enough. So I plugged it into the front port and... it didn't work. So I plugged it into the back port again and... it didn't work, fuck. I took a closer look at the front ports and noticed that they were really messed up. The horizontal piece that prevents you from plugging it in backwards (it also helps make a solid connection) was missing and I had plugged it in backwards. Apparently that was enough to fry the scanner. :$
 

Locut0s

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I don't understand why they made it so easy to break in the first place. I don't see why there needs to be a protruding piece inside the slot. Why isn't that on the outside of the internal connector?

It helps to mate with the piece on the other side of the USB connection to make a tight connection.
 
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