Pubs claim EV dealerships have advantages over traditional but don't give one example.EV dealerships should have to follow the same laws as ICE dealerships. I also don't think it bans show rooms that don't actually sell cars.
The real problem is the the dealership laws in general, though.
The laws that benefit dealerships do make it easier on consumers to purchase cars.
In Texas if you buy a new car from the dealer you can easily:
When I bought my Tesla I had to:
- roll the state taxes into your auto loan
- Be exempt from state inspections for 2 years from date of purchase
- Initial vehicle registration lasts for 2 years
- Immediate access to paper tags good for 2 months.
It’s quite the set of perks they allow dealerships to smooth over the state government requirements and make at least that portion of the buying experience easier for customers.
- Pay all the taxes upfront within a month to register the car or suffer late fees (paperwork processing only gave me 3 days before the month was up.)
- Get the new car inspected within first month of ownership or delay registration
- Car arrived during the 72hours it took them to provide me paper tags so had to wait until they arrived before driving
It’s a good way to reduce competition and push people away from EVs by denying them to EV manufacturers without dealership networks.
Politically connected car dealership owners are all over using the state to force everyone to give them their cut.
Sen. Brice Wiggins, a Republican from Pascagoula, said the “protectionist” bill came from traditional car dealers threatened by competition from electric carmakers.
Pubs claim EV dealerships have advantages over traditional but don't give one example.
Tesla sells vehicles in person at one facility in Mississippi that is classified as a store, not a dealership. The distinction allows the company to operate outside state laws governing franchise businesses. This exception, and the prospect of other electric companies taking advantage of it, gives these manufacturers special privileges that traditional automakers don’t enjoy, according to Republican Sen. Daniel Sparks of Belmont.
The bill does not restrict the direct sale of electric cars, as people can buy them online. But if they want to buy an electric car in person, they would have to drive to the state’s only Tesla store in Pearl, which would be allowed to remain open under the proposed new law. Tesla or any other electric car company could not open a new brick-and-mortar location to sell cars unless they enter a franchise agreement.
I believe most dealers have their own in house inspection stations on site, we get a free inspection if we take it to the dealer, I believe it's to make sure that there are no manufacturer defects that can affect safetyI'm curious why a brand new car would need to be inspected? Are they going to catch something Tesla, Rivian, Ford, whoever missed?
Right. But does Texas know it’s actually a brand new car? Technically I bought it out of state (over the internet) so Texas wants a state inspection to make sure it conforms to Texas requirements.I'm curious why a brand new car would need to be inspected? Are they going to catch something Tesla, Rivian, Ford, whoever missed?
I still don't get why not having a franchise agreement helps Tesla. Or is it just extra fees to the state?Well they do, actually.
and...
Mississippi passes bill restricting electric car dealerships
JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — The Mississippi Senate gave final approval Thursday to a bill to restrict electric car manufacturers from opening new brick-and-mortar dealerships in the state unless they comply with the same laws traditional carmakers follow.apnews.com
I think this is an issue with Tesla in particular, because the manufacturer is doing direct sales, with no franchise agreement. I think other EV dealers would be franchised anyway because that is the typical business model for dealerships.
I think this is an issue with Tesla in particular, because the manufacturer is doing direct sales, with no franchise agreement. I think other EV dealers would be franchised anyway because that is the typical business model for dealerships.
So today Texas signed into law a change to EV registration fees.The laws that benefit dealerships do make it easier on consumers to purchase cars.
In Texas if you buy a new car from the dealer you can easily:
When I bought my Tesla I had to:
- roll the state taxes into your auto loan
- Be exempt from state inspections for 2 years from date of purchase
- Initial vehicle registration lasts for 2 years
- Immediate access to paper tags good for 2 months.
It’s quite the set of perks they allow dealerships to smooth over the state government requirements and make at least that portion of the buying experience easier for customers.
- Pay all the taxes upfront within a month to register the car or suffer late fees (paperwork processing only gave me 3 days before the month was up.)
- Get the new car inspected within first month of ownership or delay registration
- Car arrived during the 72hours it took them to provide me paper tags so had to wait until they arrived before driving
It’s a good way to reduce competition and push people away from EVs by denying them to EV manufacturers without dealership networks.
EV dealerships should have to follow the same laws as ICE dealerships. I also don't think it bans show rooms that don't actually sell cars.
The real problem is the the dealership laws in general, though.
I think that would be SOP for most states.Right. But does Texas know it’s actually a brand new car? Technically I bought it out of state (over the internet) so Texas wants a state inspection to make sure it conforms to Texas requirements.
It cost me $7 since there’s no ICE or exhaust to check.
It’s mostly just to cause friction to protect instate politically connected dealership networks.
When I first moved to Texas I actually had to do something similar. We had just bought a new car from out of state that still had paper tags and wasn’t registered anywhere. Had to pay a tax difference and get it inspected to get it registered.
This is the second time I've opened this thread thinking that it was about Microsoft.
Aren't there at least three in the U.S.?I'm not aware of an EV only manufacturer that isn't associated with a legacy ICE manufacturer having a dealer network. The pureplay EV companies have been looking to cut out the dealer AKA middleman in order to maximize revenue.
If you know of one please post it here.
Yeah, that's what I meant in my second sentence.To be fair, the require of ICE only being sold at dealerships, and not manufacturer direct is stupid.
Not the right way of doing it. But all gas taxes should be replaced with a weight & mileage tax. EVs should pay for the roads too, but it should be the same calculation as everything else.So today Texas signed into law a change to EV registration fees.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signs new electric vehicle tax into law
Teslas and other electric cars will come with an additional tax after Governor Greg Abbott signs new tax bill into law.www.mysanantonio.com
Every new EV will pay $400 to register the first time and then $200 per year from then on. This bipartisan bill was dropped so “everyone pays their fair share” into the road repair fund.
In comparison, for this year, vehicles under 6000lbs pay $50.75 to register.
Vehicles 6000-10,000lbs pay $54
It takes a vehicle weight of 18,000-26,000lbs before you pay $205.
But ICE vehicles do pay gas taxes which EVs don’t. So how much does that cost so the cost is “fair”?
For me I’ve driven my 4200lb EV 23K miles in 2 years. Under this new proposal I would have paided $400 (Texas allows a one year skip of registration for new cars)
If instead I would have driven my 6600lb V8 Suburban which gets about 18mpg it would have cost me $54 to register and then another $255 in gas taxes for a combined total of $309. 23% less than the lighter more efficient EV.
In our Elantra which gets around 28mpg it would have been $215 total or 47% less.
For some reason it doesn’t seem like they were aiming for “fair” does it.
Considering how some cars are delivered from the factory...I'm curious why a brand new car would need to be inspected? Are they going to catch something Tesla, Rivian, Ford, whoever missed?
This is the second time I've opened this thread thinking that it was about Microsoft.
Not the right way of doing it. But all gas taxes should be replaced with a weight & mileage tax. EVs should pay for the roads too, but it should be the same calculation as everything else.
Yeah. I think the biggest issue with a mileage tax is when do you collect? If at annual registration, then people could end up with a pretty large bill, which could be a real problem for people living paycheck to paycheck.If going that way there probably should be multiple taxes, to cover different externalities.
A tax for road wear needs to include the weight of the vehicle (I think it depends on the 4th power of the weight) and the milage driven, a tax covering pollution needs to account for the type of fuel and fuel efficiency and any emissions limiting tech, and then there's a tax on congestion/limited road capacity, that would depend on when and where you drive, and the size of your vehicle.
Or just ban the things outright unless there's a proven unavoidable need to drive.