Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
Since we're all speculating . . .
Now I find that boards with P35 chipsets have problems with Yorkfield quads. And I still wonder, given Intel's spat with nVidia, that they somehow made a hardware differentiation in Yorkfield to thwart nVidia, or they just went to market too fast with the QX9650.
Originally posted by: j0j081
sup Edz.
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: j0j081
sup Edz.
Not sure if it is Edz agaib but you know it is actually fitting the MO though in the sense that a newlly joined (minimal post-counts) OP starts a thread with a few words and then never returns to engage in any dialogue during the rest of the thread.
Originally posted by: jhtrico1850
According to Xbit, Intel will downgrade the Quads to 1066 FSB to accomodate, right? hoorah
Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: jhtrico1850
According to Xbit, Intel will downgrade the Quads to 1066 FSB to accomodate, right? hoorah
i wish we could have another mhz reset... [New arch]
numbers are already back where they were back in the old hyper transport days again.
pretty sure at this rate, we'll see 5 digit overclocks soon. As in 3-4 yrs... not soon as in tomorrow soon.
Originally posted by: JumpingJack
Originally posted by: nyker96
really don't care why they doing this, as long as at the end of the day the cpu works with the new P35-E I bought that's all.
Read the article again, Intel is 'supposedly' delaying the launch to ensure that the CPU will work in the low quality boards. Your P35-E is NOT a low quality board, but since Intel is ensuring lowest common denominator you have no worries.
Originally posted by: zach0624
I'm just speculating here but could this have to do with AMD's botched phenom launch(and product)? They may not feel the need to release a product that may have more issuses than they would prefer and sit a bit longer on a product that will dominate everything else. You have to remember Intel does not have a lot of high or mid end competition right now.
Originally posted by: Maelstromm
Originally posted by: zach0624
I'm just speculating here but could this have to do with AMD's botched phenom launch(and product)? They may not feel the need to release a product that may have more issuses than they would prefer and sit a bit longer on a product that will dominate everything else. You have to remember Intel does not have a lot of high or mid end competition right now.
As much as Intel would like everyone to think this it is delayed due to lack of competition, I call BS. Why give your competition time to recover when you can KO them? When was the last time a major corp gave a competitor a breather if it affected their bottom line? I can just imagine Jobs thinking, lets delay an iPod release to allow MS to finally develop a competitive Zune lol.
Has anyone considered Intel are purely holding consumers to ransom? The competition doesn't have enough bite, so they can now make us wait and force everyone to buy a much higher priced product when we all get tired of waiting. Just a thought. Unless AMD comes up with a killer package of price and performance with B3, Intel can release Yorkfields at a higher price point than they need to just because they know they have sold the consumer on the current quads. Either way, now is a very poor time for someone looking to upgrade. And I don't fancy selling a lung to get to 4Ghz.
Originally posted by: Maelstromm
As much as Intel would like everyone to think this it is delayed due to lack of competition, I call BS. Why give your competition time to recover when you can KO them? When was the last time a major corp gave a competitor a breather if it affected their bottom line? I can just imagine Jobs thinking, lets delay an iPod release to allow MS to finally develop a competitive Zune lol.
Has anyone considered Intel are purely holding consumers to ransom? The competition doesn't have enough bite, so they can now make us wait and force everyone to buy a much higher priced product when we all get tired of waiting. Just a thought. Unless AMD comes up with a killer package of price and performance with B3, Intel can release Yorkfields at a higher price point than they need to just because they know they have sold the consumer on the current quads. Either way, now is a very poor time for someone looking to upgrade. And I don't fancy selling a lung to get to 4Ghz.
Originally posted by: Maelstromm
Originally posted by: zach0624
I'm just speculating here but could this have to do with AMD's botched phenom launch(and product)? They may not feel the need to release a product that may have more issuses than they would prefer and sit a bit longer on a product that will dominate everything else. You have to remember Intel does not have a lot of high or mid end competition right now.
As much as Intel would like everyone to think this it is delayed due to lack of competition, I call BS. Why give your competition time to recover when you can KO them? When was the last time a major corp gave a competitor a breather if it affected their bottom line? I can just imagine Jobs thinking, lets delay an iPod release to allow MS to finally develop a competitive Zune lol.
Has anyone considered Intel are purely holding consumers to ransom? The competition doesn't have enough bite, so they can now make us wait and force everyone to buy a much higher priced product when we all get tired of waiting. Just a thought. Unless AMD comes up with a killer package of price and performance with B3, Intel can release Yorkfields at a higher price point than they need to just because they know they have sold the consumer on the current quads. Either way, now is a very poor time for someone looking to upgrade. And I don't fancy selling a lung to get to 4Ghz.
Originally posted by: zach0624
Originally posted by: Maelstromm
Originally posted by: zach0624
I'm just speculating here but could this have to do with AMD's botched phenom launch(and product)? They may not feel the need to release a product that may have more issuses than they would prefer and sit a bit longer on a product that will dominate everything else. You have to remember Intel does not have a lot of high or mid end competition right now.
As much as Intel would like everyone to think this it is delayed due to lack of competition, I call BS. Why give your competition time to recover when you can KO them? When was the last time a major corp gave a competitor a breather if it affected their bottom line? I can just imagine Jobs thinking, lets delay an iPod release to allow MS to finally develop a competitive Zune lol.
Has anyone considered Intel are purely holding consumers to ransom? The competition doesn't have enough bite, so they can now make us wait and force everyone to buy a much higher priced product when we all get tired of waiting. Just a thought. Unless AMD comes up with a killer package of price and performance with B3, Intel can release Yorkfields at a higher price point than they need to just because they know they have sold the consumer on the current quads. Either way, now is a very poor time for someone looking to upgrade. And I don't fancy selling a lung to get to 4Ghz.
what I ment to say was that it might be because phenom ended up sucking so bad that Intel decided not to release penryn with some "minor" problem and correct this in a month or two without any worry that they'll be caught by the competition. I think they don't see much of a reason to release a product that would have problems and get people pissed especially since this product is on a newer sorta cheaper(die size wise) and more effiecent (energy and heat wise). I think that Intel would want as big a chance as they can get to deliver a KO punch to AMD(not that I think Penryn will do that, I think that Nehalem vs. Bulldozer or whatever AMD decides to actually ship, will be the defining round for AMD).
PS sorry for any grammar mistakes, been working all day getting ready for Xmas and am tired as hell.
Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
This doesn't really make sense for Intel. You are essentially stating that it is Intel's intention to delay the release of Penryn CPUs (with the exception of overpriced, low-volume high-end parts) because AMD's lackluster competition gives them no incentive to improve. While delaying their Penryn processors, they are presumably allowed to continue selling inferior Core 2 Duos/Quads at stagnant prices, essentially milking the same technology far beyond its expected product lifecycle.
Also keep in mind that Penryn is the result of R&D spending. Intel has every intention of earning back what they spent by selling Penryn CPUs at a greater profit margin than they sold Conroe/Kentsfield processors. Delaying the release of a product which represents R&D spending just to milk Conore/Kentsfield sales makes very little sense.
Originally posted by: Maelstromm
You are still thinking from the consumer benefit perspective. Execs and shareholders aren't.
Originally posted by: Maelstromm
I haven't seen a significant drop in Q6600 prices for the last 5 months, but I'm curious what prices they started at (B3 stepping, not GO).
Originally posted by: 4Linux
There is something just not right there.
Originally posted by: myocardia
You're right, they shouldn't still be making cheap, 4-layer motherboards.