OMG! Kobe > Shaq?

[Lager]

Originally posted by: hypersonic5
How about this trade?

Shaq traded to Seattle for: Ray Allen, Vladimir Radmanovic, future 1st round pick.

Lakers pick up the free agent Brent Barry in the offseason.

This works for two reasons:
Seattle gets the most dominant player in the game. The Sonics have tried the Ray Allen road to little avail. Plus, with a rising star in Reshard Lewis, Seattle can rebuild their franchise around the Oneal-Lewis combo. Could work out very nicely for Seattle.

Lakers don't need another big time superstar like Shaq. They can concentrate on rebuilding the team around Kobe. What they really need, and what they were really lacking this year, is a solid outside shooter. Ray Allen is that player. Also, with Radmanovic, the Lakers get a good, servicable forward. They sign Brent Barry in the offseason and get another great outside shooter. With the combination of Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Brent Barry, Kareem Rush, a resigned Derek Fisher, and Luke Walton, the Lakers will be absolutely SCARY from the field.

What do you guys think?

I don't think that's will work out. Lakers don't need another shooting guard if they retain Kobe. Ray Allen is soft, Lakers probably won't want him.

Why get one center when you can get Mihm? He's on the rise and pretty cheap. Celts have lots of cap space.

Jumaine Jones is another good pickup because he can play defense like Ruben Patterson and can contribute like Ron Artest.

We give up our first and second round for which I think is pretty damn good deal in itself.

 

[MournSanity]

Originally posted by: Lager

Originally posted by: hypersonic5
How about this trade?

Shaq traded to Seattle for: Ray Allen, Vladimir Radmanovic, future 1st round pick.

Lakers pick up the free agent Brent Barry in the offseason.

This works for two reasons:
Seattle gets the most dominant player in the game. The Sonics have tried the Ray Allen road to little avail. Plus, with a rising star in Reshard Lewis, Seattle can rebuild their franchise around the Oneal-Lewis combo. Could work out very nicely for Seattle.

Lakers don't need another big time superstar like Shaq. They can concentrate on rebuilding the team around Kobe. What they really need, and what they were really lacking this year, is a solid outside shooter. Ray Allen is that player. Also, with Radmanovic, the Lakers get a good, servicable forward. They sign Brent Barry in the offseason and get another great outside shooter. With the combination of Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Brent Barry, Kareem Rush, a resigned Derek Fisher, and Luke Walton, the Lakers will be absolutely SCARY from the field.

What do you guys think?

I don't think that's will work out. Lakers don't need another shooting guard if they retain Kobe. Ray Allen is soft, Lakers probably won't want him.

Kobe Bryant can always move tot he point guard or small forward position. He can play anything. And Ray Allen can afford to be soft. He isn't the superstar on this team, Kobe is. He is a role player.

 

[GtPrOjEcTX]

Originally posted by: bR
...and trading Shaquille O'Neal is a possibility if the star center demands it.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that caught that. But it looks like it was just you and me that did.

 

[Lager]

Originally posted by: hypersonic5

Originally posted by: Lager

Originally posted by: hypersonic5
How about this trade?

Shaq traded to Seattle for: Ray Allen, Vladimir Radmanovic, future 1st round pick.

Lakers pick up the free agent Brent Barry in the offseason.

This works for two reasons:
Seattle gets the most dominant player in the game. The Sonics have tried the Ray Allen road to little avail. Plus, with a rising star in Reshard Lewis, Seattle can rebuild their franchise around the Oneal-Lewis combo. Could work out very nicely for Seattle.

Lakers don't need another big time superstar like Shaq. They can concentrate on rebuilding the team around Kobe. What they really need, and what they were really lacking this year, is a solid outside shooter. Ray Allen is that player. Also, with Radmanovic, the Lakers get a good, servicable forward. They sign Brent Barry in the offseason and get another great outside shooter. With the combination of Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Brent Barry, Kareem Rush, a resigned Derek Fisher, and Luke Walton, the Lakers will be absolutely SCARY from the field.

What do you guys think?

I don't think that's will work out. Lakers don't need another shooting guard if they retain Kobe. Ray Allen is soft, Lakers probably won't want him.

Kobe Bryant can always move tot he point guard or small forward position. He can play anything. And Ray Allen can afford to be soft. He isn't the superstar on this team, Kobe is. He is a role player.

12 million dollar role player?


You guys want Vin Baker too?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Any team would have to be insane to sign Kobe right now IMO. If he's convicted he is looking at 8 years to life in prison. I tend to think there is reasonable doubt and he should be acquitted, but that doesn't mean he will be.

 

[UnoSigmaPi]

All i got to say is go PISTONS!!!!!!

 

[Corporate Thug]

from that quote, there is nothing that suggests to me that they value kobe more than shaq as Kupchak says the trade is possible IF SHAQ WANTS ONE

 

[iotone]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Any team would have to be insane to sign Kobe right now IMO.

i agree, i don't think any team would want to gamble on Kobe not being around in a few months (or however long the trial is gonna take)...

i do believe Kobe will get a lot more money, simply to offset any sort of charges that may come about (if you know what i mean)

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: shady06
from that quote, there is nothing that suggests to me that they value kobe more than shaq as Kupchak says the trade is possible IF SHAQ WANTS ONE

Fact #1 LA broke off contract extension talks with Shaq at the beginning of Feb.
Fact #2 Kupchak has openly spoke about giving Kobe a $140million+ 7 year deal.

Shaq is a moody person, Kupchak is just wanting to "warn" people of what may happen.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: iotone

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Any team would have to be insane to sign Kobe right now IMO.

i agree, i don't think any team would want to gamble on Kobe not being around in a few months (or however long the trial is gonna take)...

i do believe Kobe will get a lot more money, simply to offset any sort of charges that may come about (if you know what i mean)

LA(Kupchak) has said the gamle is worth it.

 

[MournSanity]

Originally posted by: Lager

Originally posted by: hypersonic5

Originally posted by: Lager

Originally posted by: hypersonic5
How about this trade?

Shaq traded to Seattle for: Ray Allen, Vladimir Radmanovic, future 1st round pick.

Lakers pick up the free agent Brent Barry in the offseason.

This works for two reasons:
Seattle gets the most dominant player in the game. The Sonics have tried the Ray Allen road to little avail. Plus, with a rising star in Reshard Lewis, Seattle can rebuild their franchise around the Oneal-Lewis combo. Could work out very nicely for Seattle.

Lakers don't need another big time superstar like Shaq. They can concentrate on rebuilding the team around Kobe. What they really need, and what they were really lacking this year, is a solid outside shooter. Ray Allen is that player. Also, with Radmanovic, the Lakers get a good, servicable forward. They sign Brent Barry in the offseason and get another great outside shooter. With the combination of Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Brent Barry, Kareem Rush, a resigned Derek Fisher, and Luke Walton, the Lakers will be absolutely SCARY from the field.

What do you guys think?

I don't think that's will work out. Lakers don't need another shooting guard if they retain Kobe. Ray Allen is soft, Lakers probably won't want him.

Kobe Bryant can always move tot he point guard or small forward position. He can play anything. And Ray Allen can afford to be soft. He isn't the superstar on this team, Kobe is. He is a role player.

12 million dollar role player?

It's better than paying an aging Shaq $30 million. I mean, if Shaq was in his twenties, I wouldn't hesitate to pay him that much. But at his age, anything can go wrong. One freak accident and the team is screwed for the length of his contract, a la Grant Hill.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: hypersonic5

It's better than paying an aging Shaq $30 million. I mean, if Shaq was in his twenties, I wouldn't hesitate to pay him that much. But at his age, anything can go wrong. One freak accident and the team is screwed for the length of his contract, a la Grant Hill.

On the other hand, Shaq, unlike Grant Hill, has demonstrated great durability and reliability throughout his career. I guess that's one by-product of being bigger and stronger than anyone else!

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: hypersonic5

Originally posted by: Lager

Originally posted by: hypersonic5
How about this trade?

Shaq traded to Seattle for: Ray Allen, Vladimir Radmanovic, future 1st round pick.

Lakers pick up the free agent Brent Barry in the offseason.

This works for two reasons:
Seattle gets the most dominant player in the game. The Sonics have tried the Ray Allen road to little avail. Plus, with a rising star in Reshard Lewis, Seattle can rebuild their franchise around the Oneal-Lewis combo. Could work out very nicely for Seattle.

Lakers don't need another big time superstar like Shaq. They can concentrate on rebuilding the team around Kobe. What they really need, and what they were really lacking this year, is a solid outside shooter. Ray Allen is that player. Also, with Radmanovic, the Lakers get a good, servicable forward. They sign Brent Barry in the offseason and get another great outside shooter. With the combination of Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Brent Barry, Kareem Rush, a resigned Derek Fisher, and Luke Walton, the Lakers will be absolutely SCARY from the field.

What do you guys think?

I don't think that's will work out. Lakers don't need another shooting guard if they retain Kobe. Ray Allen is soft, Lakers probably won't want him.

Kobe Bryant can always move tot he point guard or small forward position. He can play anything. And Ray Allen can afford to be soft. He isn't the superstar on this team, Kobe is. He is a role player.

If Kobe was a role player they might still be playing ball now


:evil:

 

[atom]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: hypersonic5

It's better than paying an aging Shaq $30 million. I mean, if Shaq was in his twenties, I wouldn't hesitate to pay him that much. But at his age, anything can go wrong. One freak accident and the team is screwed for the length of his contract, a la Grant Hill.

On the other hand, Shaq, unlike Grant Hill, has demonstrated great durability and reliability throughout his career. I guess that's one by-product of being bigger and stronger than anyone else!

He still isn't invincible. Remember the toe?

 

[Rufio]

SHaq has the huge size....

Kobe has skill.

 

[Dragnov]

Of course Kobe > Shaq.

Shaq USED to be the most dominant player, but nowhere near that anymore.

Let me see... Ben Wallace outrebounds Shaq 2 to 1. (Anyone else remember that tip in that MARK MADSEN did OVER Shaq in the Western Conference Finals... *shakes head*)

He has nagging injuries form being old and big.

He can't defend the pick and roll.

He's constantly out of shape.

He whines a lot and attacks his teamates. (Hey, maybe you will get more touches if you decide to get a freakin rebound.)

He can't shoot FT's and often has to be out of the game during the crucial final minutes because of that.

Did I miss something?

I agree completely that the Lakers desperately needed a good shooter. Malone provided that 15 ft. jumper, but he was very streaky and had his knee injury. Jordan had Kerr, a GREAT 3 point shooter... I'd take Ray Allen in a heartbeat. Kobe and Allen in the backcourt. I like Luke Walton at the small forward.. good ball handling skills. And then fill in the bigs who can get rebounds, give good screens, and make the occasional shot ala what Horace Grant did. TRUE ROLE players.

 

[DingDingDao]

Originally posted by: Ranger X
Trade Shaq to an eastern team.

Yup, I think New Jersey is a good candidate. They're right there in the fight for the eastern conference, and they need one more player to push them to the finals again. Personally, I don't think the Lakers will keep Shaq (at the salary he wants), since Mitch Kupchak has made it clear that he wants to keep Kobe ("...they'll have to hire a new GM to trade Kobe..."). I'd love to see a sign-and-trade for Kenyon Martin and a draft pick or something. Martin is young, he likes to run (which would work well for Kobe), he's a good rebounder for a power forward, and he's good for 10-15 pts a game. Seems like a good fit for the Lakers.

And I seriously doubt that the Lakers will trade Shaq to a Western Conf. team. There's no way that they're going to make a very competitive conference even MORE competitive by moving Shaq to a team that the Lakers might eventually meet again in the playoffs.

 

[maziwanka]

this is all crazy talk. plus, the nets are rumored to acquire shareef abdur raheem in a three person trade (i think that includes the nets first round dp)...

 

[Red Dawn]

Trade Shaq to the Kings if only just to piss off the Laker Fanbois!

 

[cash1220]

shaq aint giong anywhere and neither is kobe. fox, fisher, and george are all signed through next year too. payton is expected to come back @ 5.5mil and if malone can return to 100% he's going to be back as well. phil looks to be on his way out though and i cant say i disagree. maybe they'll promote clemons sans the triangle or go after riley. the point is dont believe in all these major changes the so called 'experts' predict.

the reason why talks broke off with shaq is because he was demanding the max and the lakers told him they werent willing to pay him the max after being knocked out of the playoffs the previous year. and loosing in the finals doesnt bolster shaqs case either. theyve always stated they are willing to make him the highest paid player, just not necessarily give him the max.

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Trade Shaq to the Kings if only just to piss off the Laker Fanbois!

ROTFLMFAO!!

anyone who thinks shaq can lead the lakers better then kobe should put the crack pipe down.

kobe is not going to jail, look at the past high profile cases; if you're rich, black, and have good lawyers, you won't be seeing Bubba!!

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: m2kewl

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Trade Shaq to the Kings if only just to piss off the Laker Fanbois!

ROTFLMFAO!!

anyone who thinks shaq can lead the lakers better then kobe should put the crack pipe down.

kobe is not going to jail, look at the past high profile cases; if you're rich, black, and have good lawyers, you won't be seeing Bubba!!

I agree. For instance, I have a feeling that if Jamal Lewis sat in front of the judge and jury and said 'I sold coke and I sold a lot of it. My name is Jamal Lewis please convict me for drug trafficking' he would still get off.

 

[mdrollas]

Originally posted by: Lager
What do you think of this trade?
Mihm + Jumaine Jones + 1 round pick + 2nd round pick for Shaq to the Celtics?

Seems fair.

Thats in no way LA would do it unless Shaq wants to go and they got no choice. Celtics' pick is 15th. Mihm and Jones are mediocore role players. If the pick was a top 5 or top 3 pick, it would be more fair.

 

[mcvickj]

They might as well keep Shaq because Kobe will be behind bars. Jackson talked to the press minutes after the loss in the Finals and he said it would be highly unlikely he would return. I'd bet the farm that you won't see Shaq, Kobe and Phil next season.

 

[Phokus]

Not to thread crap but... lakers suck